Yep - you do need to remove the Cab for FORD

[Regcabguy]

No cab removal here.

You all might be interested to know that the local Dodge dealer pulls the cab to R&R the Cummins, at least the 2nd gens, I have seen more than one in the shop with nothing but frame rails forward of the bed.



SHG

My "53" was swapped out without cab removal. They killed the condensor though in doing so. The"book" allows them 28 hrs. to do this job according to a local ex-D/C tech who operates his own shop now.

 

[surfbeetle]

And why they don't get smart and put on a tilt forward Hood/Fender setup like the larger trucks and busses is beyond me...

 

[ShaneBoone]

been saying for several years now, Tilt front ends.

Have a 1991 2wd 7. 3 bucket truck at the shop, Not to bad other than the starter replacement. Had to stand on my head and grow a third arm to replace w/o lifting the cab. Since then I been saying the v-8 diesels need tilt front end to work on them. I Bet you'll find the tilt front would not hold up in the safety standards.

 

[Arkapigdiesel]

Can someone remind me once again why I got rid of my 6. 0 POS and went with a real truck?



I can't believe that lifting the cab is the solution for ferd.

 

[AMassaro]

The whole 2008 Super Duty is a spooky monster to me. With all the problems I am now having with my 06 with just 20,000 miles I am having a whole rethink about Ford and how it is you get service on these darn things. Since my dealer is finally getting Ford involved on this (which I guess they have to do do even change a light bulb); maybe my truck will be working correctly within the next four weeks?



With that said, this is my point: In visiting with the service manager (along with the powers that be at the dealership trying to solve my truck problems), he told me the when the 08 cab is removed the AC system lines are disconnected as well. If that is true? Can someone confirm this? Then I can only imagine the number of new problems that will create. It took a full 7 trips to the dealer and 4 different dealerships, before a tech was smart enough to figure out what was going on with my F150 AC. Now I am having the same AC problems with my F250, and the current dealership I am using is completely clueless about AC issues.





At least this guy is "rethinking about Ford"... Darn glad I got a Dodge. . :-laf

 

[elandon1201]

The whole 2008 Super Duty is a spooky monster to me. With all the problems I am now having with my 06 with just 20,000 miles I am having a whole rethink about Ford and how it is you get service on these darn things. Since my dealer is finally getting Ford involved on this (which I guess they have to do do even change a light bulb); maybe my truck will be working correctly within the next four weeks?



With that said, this is my point: In visiting with the service manager (along with the powers that be at the dealership trying to solve my truck problems), he told me the when the 08 cab is removed the AC system lines are disconnected as well. If that is true? Can someone confirm this? Then I can only imagine the number of new problems that will create. It took a full 7 trips to the dealer and 4 different dealerships, before a tech was smart enough to figure out what was going on with my F150 AC. Now I am having the same AC problems with my F250, and the current dealership I am using is completely clueless about AC issues.





At least this guy is "rethinking about Ford"... Darn glad I got a Dodge. . :-laf

I am driving the one in the pics right now, and I can see why people like Ford Trucks. The truck itself is much nicer than any Dodge i have been in, if it just werent for the engine.

 

[EMD-Run8]

Saw an '08 SuperDuty on a local lot. Its even uglier than it looks in pictures! Uggghhhhh!

 

[justinp20012500]

5. 5 hours to R & R a cab?

Nope, not going to buy that one...

>08 Fords, techs have to remove interior components to gain access to body bolts?

You will need a 1,000 square foot garage MINIMUM to work on ONE truck!!!

Can you imagine all the parts scattered everywhere?

 

[rbattelle]

>08 Fords, techs have to remove interior components to gain access to body bolts?

No, from what I've read the body bolts can be accessed without removing any interior parts 2008-up. This was done specifically because of the cab-off engine work that will be required.



From an amateur point of view, however, Ford has essentially sealed the coffin on the do-it-yourself shadetree mechanic. It will be nearly impossible to do anything at all on the engine without the aid of a lift to remove the body.



At the same time, lookout trying to hire a shop to do non-warranty cab-off work. I think we're talking HUGE money.



Ryan

 

[justinp20012500]

So >08 (means earlier)

I caught that from the TDS thread.

You are 100% correct, my father has been a tech at Dodge for 30+ years. They talk about "shade tree" mechanics and "do it yourselfers" not being able to work on cars anymore in factory sponsored training.

 

[rbattelle]

I've been reading James Nasmyth's biography. For those who've never heard of him, he's among the finest toolmakers in history.



His autobiography, written around 1880, contains the following bit of text, which immediately made me think of the 6. 4:

"[It is]... most important to bear in mind the get-at-ability of parts - that is, when any part of a machine was out of repair, it was requisite to get at it easily without taking the machine to pieces. This may appear a very simple remark, but the neglect of such an arrangement occasions a vast amount of trouble, delay, and expense. "

Alas. Ford's not the only one guilty of this; the 6. 4 just happens to be a particularly grotesque example of the failure of engineering to observe even the most basic principles of design.



Ryan

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

I was trying to remember whether it was Ford or GM who "engineered" their gasser engine bay so poorly that the sparkplugs were impossible to get to for replacement - mechanics would run and hide when one came in for a tuneup...



The corporate "fix" was to supply a sheetmetal piece with instructions on exactly where an opening in the inner fenderwell had to be cut to access and swap the plug(s) - and then the supplied sheetmetal was put in place with sheetmetal screws... :-laf:-laf

 

[Simplysmn]

I was trying to remember whether it was Ford or GM who "engineered" their gasser engine bay so poorly that the sparkplugs were impossible to get to for replacement - mechanics would run and hide when one came in for a tuneup...



The corporate "fix" was to supply a sheetmetal piece with instructions on exactly where an opening in the inner fenderwell had to be cut to access and swap the plug(s) - and then the supplied sheetmetal was put in place with sheetmetal screws... :-laf:-laf

Yeah you are right it was the V8 monza you had to either cut the fenderwell open or lift the motor up to change the plugs another bright idea from the Bowtie boy's :-{}

 

[HEMI®Dart]

Off topic...

On Saturday nights when I am tired & in a bad mood I go to Youtube look for the Ferd Diesel vids and beat them up. Never any profanity. The truth can be harsh though.



One guy hit 600 HP w/ 2 stage Nitrous & Propane.



Another "Bad Bad ford Dually" runs a 12. 5 1/4 mile w/ heavy nitrous.



Another big dollar 10" lifted truck does a burnout w/ it's OEM 6. 0



"Outlaw Video" I am sick and tired of watching his garbage 6. 4's dyno . Told him to stop wasting bandwidth w/ his junk.



Search these to see my replies.

 

[WDaniels]

Shelby is correct. Have a friend that is a mechanic at the dodge dealership and he states that they also remove the cab to remove the engines for the 6. 7's. He said that it is easer to remove the cab bolts and the bonding straps than removing the entire front end and all ensueing stuff to remove the engine. So it sounds like Ford isn't the only one with the "better idea. "

WD

 

[Cummins Pilot]

Remember the days where you could crawl inside the engine bay and sit on a fender as you pulled the upper ends of an engine off? sigh

 

[Moose Truck]

It makes me miss my 1st Gen....

Remember the days where you could crawl inside the engine bay and sit on a fender as you pulled the upper ends of an engine off? sigh

It really makes m miss my 1st gen... The 2nd Gens aren't too bad, and from what I've seen of the 3rd Gens they aren't too bad either. Have not seen any 6. 7 though. The Duramax's look tight, but I've havn't looked at a Ford other than an 7. 3 Moose

 

[Grizzly]

My brother-in-law, who is a die hard furd man just bought an 08 furd 6. 4 powerjoke. This is his sixth furd in a row and he has had nothing but serious problems with all of them. This is his first PS. I tried to convince him to do the right thing and get a Dodge/Cummins. However the service manager at the furd dealer he goes to told him that the 6. 4 PJ is the best engine ever made and better then Cummins. He told my B-I-L that if furd wanted to use Cummins they would because furd owns Cummins. He also told my B-I-L that is't too bad Dodge uses a 500K mile engine on a 70K mile truck. I guess my B-I-L is not too smart. I told him that my 95 Dodge/Cummins with well over 100K miles was never in the shop once for anything.



SOME PEOPLE ARE JUST DIE HARD FURD PEOPLE!

 

[PSchwering]

Shelby is correct. Have a friend that is a mechanic at the dodge dealership and he states that they also remove the cab to remove the engines for the 6. 7's. He said that it is easer to remove the cab bolts and the bonding straps than removing the entire front end and all ensueing stuff to remove the engine. So it sounds like Ford isn't the only one with the "better idea. "

WD

You are correct, but there is a Huge difference between "Easier to" Than "Have to" I have no doubt it is easier to remove the cab for engine removal, if you have proper lifting tools. But it is not required to get the engine out. Ford you Must lift the cab for these services... ... P.

 

[Regcabguy]

Ford lemmings.

I spoke to a friend yesterday whose brother is selling his 6. 0 Excursion which is lifted with giant tires. He can't figure out why it couldn't tow his toybox. :-laf Anyway,out to the Ford dealer for a test tow with a 6. 4 and his toybox. The verdict was that it was a p. o. s. which wouldn't pull worth a darn. So the guy buys the 6. 4 anyway! In Ford's defense,however,this particular unit was once again lifted with oversized tires. He still owes bigtime on the Excursion and now owes $60,000 on the 6. 4. To make matters worse he bought a flamethrower too. Ford said to bring it in for the re-flash. :{