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Ditto HOHN BIG TIME!!!
One further note:
Someone find me the BS laws passed by the DEMOS and then repealed by the PUBLICANS.
Just two sides of the same coin.
Jay
One further note:
Someone find me the BS laws passed by the DEMOS and then repealed by the PUBLICANS.
Just two sides of the same coin.
Jay
Sorry
I am sorry to have made some think that I support abortion. My feelings toward that subject are as strong as any of you. However until adoption laws are loosened, you will find abortion. And folks you will have to make some hard decisions in that sense also. Like for instance, would you allow same sex couples to adopt? Or would you rather see baby and mother die in an alley from an cloths hanger abortion?
It is with great regret that I see a two sided coin where the death penalty comes to play. Most would keep the death penalty and stop abortion. Claiming some right to be able to kill the guilty, yet save the inocent. What part of "Thou shalt not kill" don't they understand? More people have been killed in the name of religion than any other cause. We are now pushing towards the limit of a religious war, are we not?
Morals and goverment have never gone hand in hand. As a goverment, the USA has always been a self serving critter, taking what it wants and ignoring morals, unless it means more votes. So it comes to no supprize to me that a president can commit adultry in the oval office. It has probably been done by many more presidents than we care to recognize.
As far as people being slaves to SS and medicare? These people paid into this benefit. It is not a hand out and was never meant to be a hand out. It was made to help supplement retirment income. Drug benefits, sure why not? But even more important is to reign in Americas health system, Doctors are out of control and taking advantage of the system on every turn. Any elderly person with more than four presciptions is most likely over medicated. Doctors and hospitals have gotten the hang of how to bill medicare for the most impact and then they bill the retiree for even more.
Maybe we should all stop paying taxes so the lieutenant will have to get a real job. I have no prblem with taxes, as long as I am getting my moneys worth. I don't see it... ... ... . More than a third of my wages are going to taxes, I don't see health care, I don't see responsible spending. I see a president flying Air force one around the USA making over 100 stops in thirty days to raise money and back his political adgenda! Yet someone wants to take away a retirement from some poor soul.
My mother who is 80 years old and draws $350. 00 a month in SS. She had a paltry savings when my father passed away after serving his country for thirty years. She has very little, is blind, and never has a bad word for anyone. She does not feel sorry for herself and stays very positive. I help her all I can with small stuff and some large item purchases she needs. But to call her a slave? In some other country she would be dead by now, in this one she has a roof and food. I say fine if you don't want SS, don't put into it. But leave the rest of us alone.
I have never resorted to calling names and will not start now.
I am sorry to have made some think that I support abortion. My feelings toward that subject are as strong as any of you. However until adoption laws are loosened, you will find abortion. And folks you will have to make some hard decisions in that sense also. Like for instance, would you allow same sex couples to adopt? Or would you rather see baby and mother die in an alley from an cloths hanger abortion?
It is with great regret that I see a two sided coin where the death penalty comes to play. Most would keep the death penalty and stop abortion. Claiming some right to be able to kill the guilty, yet save the inocent. What part of "Thou shalt not kill" don't they understand? More people have been killed in the name of religion than any other cause. We are now pushing towards the limit of a religious war, are we not?
Morals and goverment have never gone hand in hand. As a goverment, the USA has always been a self serving critter, taking what it wants and ignoring morals, unless it means more votes. So it comes to no supprize to me that a president can commit adultry in the oval office. It has probably been done by many more presidents than we care to recognize.
As far as people being slaves to SS and medicare? These people paid into this benefit. It is not a hand out and was never meant to be a hand out. It was made to help supplement retirment income. Drug benefits, sure why not? But even more important is to reign in Americas health system, Doctors are out of control and taking advantage of the system on every turn. Any elderly person with more than four presciptions is most likely over medicated. Doctors and hospitals have gotten the hang of how to bill medicare for the most impact and then they bill the retiree for even more.
Maybe we should all stop paying taxes so the lieutenant will have to get a real job. I have no prblem with taxes, as long as I am getting my moneys worth. I don't see it... ... ... . More than a third of my wages are going to taxes, I don't see health care, I don't see responsible spending. I see a president flying Air force one around the USA making over 100 stops in thirty days to raise money and back his political adgenda! Yet someone wants to take away a retirement from some poor soul.
My mother who is 80 years old and draws $350. 00 a month in SS. She had a paltry savings when my father passed away after serving his country for thirty years. She has very little, is blind, and never has a bad word for anyone. She does not feel sorry for herself and stays very positive. I help her all I can with small stuff and some large item purchases she needs. But to call her a slave? In some other country she would be dead by now, in this one she has a roof and food. I say fine if you don't want SS, don't put into it. But leave the rest of us alone.
I have never resorted to calling names and will not start now.
Re: Ditto HOHN BIG TIME!!!
Yessir! Shall I vote for the Demicans or the Republocrats?
Part of the problem lies in the fact that both parties are really confused as to who they are, for what they stand, and how they should go about achieving their goals.
Democrats generally claim to be liberal. A liberal is, by definition, one who does not like the way things are and strives to change them.
Republicans generally claim to be conservative. A conservative is, by definition, one who likes the way things are and strives to keep it that way.
Now, gauge, if you will, the current state of domestic government, politics, ethics and society. If you are going to be resonably fair, you would have to agree that that state generally lies somewhere to the left of center. With liberals controlling the government, business and ethics for the past 50 years or so, I believe the pendulum has swung as far left as it can.
So, picture if you will, liberals who don't like where the pendulum is and are desparate to mvoe it, but can't. Never mind the fact that the pendulum is where they've *wanted* it alll along.
Also picture, if you will, conservatives who don't like change and are working to keep the pendulum where it is.
You should be seeing a image of Democrats who despise themselves because they just can't bring themselves to change that which they like. And you should be seeing an image of Republicans who despise themselves for maintaining what they don't like.
What we have today are liberals who are unable to maintain the status quo that they themselves obtained, and conservatives who are incapable of driving change.
Since liberals cannot conceive of swinging the pendulum to the right, yet cannot bear the thought of leaving it where it is, they resort to smashing further to the left, even though it won't budge in that direction.
Since conservatives cannot conceive of moving the pendulum, yet cannot bear the thought of leaving it where it is, they resort to digging in their heels. even though there is no opposing force.
The end result is that both the Democrats and the Republicans are doing their damndest to maintain the status quo. The argue against each other because that is what they do, then pass useless laws to make it look like they're accomplishing something.
We have no leaders. There are no statesmen. Having leaders would imply that we are going somewhere. We are, in fact, stagnant as a society, just as is our economy. Having statesmen would imply that we have aspirations and goals as individuals and as a people. We, in fact, have misplaced our compasses.
Perhaps the old slam against the Democrats *is* true: "Lay down your shovels, sit on your asses and light up a Camel. This *is* the promised land. "
I believe it will be ten years before we see significant change. And by change, I mean that Republicans will learn to embrace change and strive to achieve it, and that Democrats will reject change and strive to keep what they have achieved. For if that change happens not, then those two parties will likely merge into a single Demican or Republocrat Party, then fade into history.
In the meantime, please don't vote for weak, ineffectual panty-waists who are easily cowed into letting bullies seize more and more power. Letting bullies have power is a sure recipe for disaster.
My humble thoughts on the topic.
Fest3er
Yessir! Shall I vote for the Demicans or the Republocrats?
Part of the problem lies in the fact that both parties are really confused as to who they are, for what they stand, and how they should go about achieving their goals.
Democrats generally claim to be liberal. A liberal is, by definition, one who does not like the way things are and strives to change them.
Republicans generally claim to be conservative. A conservative is, by definition, one who likes the way things are and strives to keep it that way.
Now, gauge, if you will, the current state of domestic government, politics, ethics and society. If you are going to be resonably fair, you would have to agree that that state generally lies somewhere to the left of center. With liberals controlling the government, business and ethics for the past 50 years or so, I believe the pendulum has swung as far left as it can.
So, picture if you will, liberals who don't like where the pendulum is and are desparate to mvoe it, but can't. Never mind the fact that the pendulum is where they've *wanted* it alll along.
Also picture, if you will, conservatives who don't like change and are working to keep the pendulum where it is.
You should be seeing a image of Democrats who despise themselves because they just can't bring themselves to change that which they like. And you should be seeing an image of Republicans who despise themselves for maintaining what they don't like.
What we have today are liberals who are unable to maintain the status quo that they themselves obtained, and conservatives who are incapable of driving change.
Since liberals cannot conceive of swinging the pendulum to the right, yet cannot bear the thought of leaving it where it is, they resort to smashing further to the left, even though it won't budge in that direction.
Since conservatives cannot conceive of moving the pendulum, yet cannot bear the thought of leaving it where it is, they resort to digging in their heels. even though there is no opposing force.
The end result is that both the Democrats and the Republicans are doing their damndest to maintain the status quo. The argue against each other because that is what they do, then pass useless laws to make it look like they're accomplishing something.
We have no leaders. There are no statesmen. Having leaders would imply that we are going somewhere. We are, in fact, stagnant as a society, just as is our economy. Having statesmen would imply that we have aspirations and goals as individuals and as a people. We, in fact, have misplaced our compasses.
Perhaps the old slam against the Democrats *is* true: "Lay down your shovels, sit on your asses and light up a Camel. This *is* the promised land. "
I believe it will be ten years before we see significant change. And by change, I mean that Republicans will learn to embrace change and strive to achieve it, and that Democrats will reject change and strive to keep what they have achieved. For if that change happens not, then those two parties will likely merge into a single Demican or Republocrat Party, then fade into history.
In the meantime, please don't vote for weak, ineffectual panty-waists who are easily cowed into letting bullies seize more and more power. Letting bullies have power is a sure recipe for disaster.
My humble thoughts on the topic.
Fest3er
CF, I agree that "slave" is a word with attached emotions. However, Webster also defines slave to be, "One dominated by some influence, etc. ". If one has to depend "solely" on Social Security for food,shelter and medical ... then I would call this a dominating influence on their life. This is how I took the meaning in Hohn's post. This is the very reason why the democrats use the SS scare on our seniors. I'm glad that your mom has your love and help. Many seniors are not as lucky.
Maybe I don't even have a snapshot of the big picture, but for some reason I feel that Hohn has "a real job".
Maybe I don't even have a snapshot of the big picture, but for some reason I feel that Hohn has "a real job".
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I apoligize for the statement "real job" , I meant "another job".
I apoligize for the statement "real job" , I meant "another job".
Champane..this is for you..
First of all, no harm done on the job comment. For the record, my real job has me presently in the Middle East, away from my wife of only 2 months. When I get back I will have been gone longer than we were married before I left. Previous "real jobs" included roofing, waiting tables, landscaping, and working at an auto body shop. I joined the AF because I knew I could sit on my butt all day, never have to go to war, and get rich. I haven't seen it yet-- I am starting to think I was misled.
No doubt some of my post made you angry. No person is above ad hominem when we are hurt-- it's part of our frail human nature. I will respond to your post in sequence best I can.
Abortion: I never took you to be a supporter of abortion, per se. The comment was a blanket statement, not specifically directed at you. Few people who are honest will wholeheartedly endorse the practice. Then again, if you endorse it, you would have to be missing a significant portion of your heart anyway, so I repeat myself. Abortion is a peripheral issue. The real issue is sex, and the fact that it has become so casual and disrespected. Would we have abortion if we didn't have one case after another of an unwanted pregnancy? It goes back to what I mentioned about a feeling of entitlement-- I have a RIGHT to sexual satisfaction. This is a myth. Because people believe this lie (why not, Oprah wouldn't lie to me, whould she?), they search for that satisfaction wherever they can get it... Often that leads to sexual deviance (adultery, homosexuality, bestiality, and others) as they move from one sexual practice to another, searching for this fulfillment that EVERYONE seems to be enjoying but them. Truth is, the fulfillment they seek will not be found in any sexual practice, or any amount of money or anything else that seems to promise it.
As for "Thou Shalt not kill":This is an excerpt of Scripture that, like many others, is often taken out of context, or misinterpreted. The same God who issued this commandment, also once told the israelites to conquer a people utterly-- like salt the earth, poison-the-water, type of vanquish. The logical, scriptural conclusion is that there are times when taking a life is completely justifiable. But justifiable, doesn't mean best outcome. The example that comes to my mind is when someone breaks into your house and threatens you or shows evil intent, you have a right to shot them dead, legally, in my view. Scripturally, it is not so clear. Jesus taught that if a man steals your tunic, to give him your cloak too. If a man strikes you on one cheek, to turn the other. As the Aposle Paul taught, "all things are lawful, but not all are expedient". In other words, what is ultimately best is not a simply matter of right or wrong. Example- I believe that the Bible permits drinking alcohol (but NOT drunkenness). Yet, I choose not to, because it might cause someone else to stumble in their faith if they saw a professing Christian drink alcohol. For me, it is lawful, but not expedient to drink, see?
Another example of misquoted/misunderstood Scripture is the verse about "judge not, lest ye be judged". This is often taken to mean that you can't judge someone. WRONG. Within that same Bible, we are taught that we can know a tree by its fruit. Jesus himself dispatched his disciples with the instructions to "seek out a worthy brother" and give his house their blessing. Otherwise, move on (thus rendering judgement on the person they met). The "judge not" verse is simply an admonishment against the rampant hypocrisy of the time, teaching people that they will be measured by the same stick they measure others with. AND-- ultimately, God reserves judgment for Himself alone.
Sorry for all the theology-- I felt it was relevant. I believe that while the death penalty is justifiable (maybe not the best), that the Bible says very clearly that God is willing that "none should perish, but that all would have everlasting life". So, the short answer: while the Bible may permit the death penalty, saying it endorses the death penalty is wrong
As for morals and governments, they DO go hand-in-hand, sir. Maybe you meant GOOD morals and government. Yes, there are moral failures in the instutition, and in its people. But we as citizens should (and do) expect to goverment to embody the very best in our moral code. That is why a scandal is a scandal. That is part of it being "of the people", along with by the people, and for the people.
Granted, "slave" IS a word charged with emotion. That's why I used it. I am afraid you misunderstand the Social Security System. It is indeed a handout-- a handout that follows a confiscation. There is no correlation to people paying in, and people getting paid back. IF there were, THEN you could maybe say it is insurance/supplement of some kind. Do you believe that when the system was first established that no one benefitted until they had paid in x number of years? Not the case. People began receiving benefits right away, even though they had not paid in a single cent. It was a free handout from the Depression-era socialists that thought they were doing the right thing. Here's the problem: giving those Depression-era folks a free ride (when SS 1st started) means screwing someone later, because that person will have to pay in, and then not receive any benefits, so the system can compensate for the benefits with no pay-in when it started.
For the last few years (ok more like 25) the SS system has taken in WAY more money than it has paid out. That money was SUPPOSED to be saved (or invested) so when all the Boomers retired, it would be solvent. Instead it was squandered year after year as Congress raided this huge pool of money for all their pet projects. It probably helped Robert Byrd ensure that there are only 3 items in all of West Virginia not named for him (the former Klansmen). As a result this "Social Security Trust Fund" is all but empty, and when it comes time for all the Boomers to retire and get "their share", the money they get will come from someplace else, not SS. Another example of robbing Peter to pay Paul. This is what Al Gore was talking about when he mentioned the "LOCKBOX". Unfortunately, there's nothing left to lock up.
I agree that the healthcare system is out of control (thank you, Trial Lawyers Association). Malpractice suits are insane! Did you hear the one about the doctor that cut off the wrong hand? They said he was singlehandedly responsible. Hehe. (just checking to see if you read this far) Anyway, meaningful tort reform, and capping punitive and civil damages is a big step in the right direction.
Free drugs? I will TELL you why not. You think drugs are expensive now? What do you think will happen with they are underwritten by a huge fountain of tax dollars??? Hmm? If I am Pfizer, and a product of mine that goes for $50/month is underwritten $45 by Medicare, price to the patient is only $5, right? Wrong! The price will go up in proportion to the amount the gov't is willing to subsidize. The company has a certain self-interest here, so they have a profit motive to pad the bottom line. When (not if) these costs skyrocket, who will pick up the tab? That's right, the decreasing pool of taxpayers. But not the poor people. . not those with some kind of minority tax credit, a a welfare momma with 12 kids... The middle class and the wealthy. I never understood the logic of how a successful, working person is less entitled to keep their money than someone else is. The best tax in my book is a flat rate that everyone pays the same-- no college credits, no exemptions, nothing. Just a flat tax that we all pay the same rate. Anything else is discriminating, unfair, and frankly, inconsistent with the Constitution.
I bet your mother is sweet. I applaud that you are not leaving her to the gov't, and ARE taking care of her. It used to be (before people realized that more gov't is the cure for all problems) that children took care of their parents when the were old, just as their parents took care of them when they were young. It is sad not everyone is able to do that. It is even more sad, to me, that one of the main reasons they can't is that they have had 12% of their income confiscated to put into a worthless system that they will never get all their money out of. If you had been free to take that money and invest it tax free SPECIFICALLY to take care of your mother, her income from that money alone would probably be more than double what SS furnishes.
People my age will have to save and invest for their own retirement, as well as for their parents, IN ADDITION TO giving the gov't all that money. The gov't is simply too large to be able to care about someone as an individual. It would be much easier for me to "leave the rest of you alone" if I wasn't having money stolen from me to support such a worthless program. Would you give to a charity where only $20 of the $100 you gave them actually went to someone?? hmm?
It's like they say, if we all run our finances like the gov't operates, we'd ALL be bankrupt!! It is almost laughable to watch the crooks in Congress haul these CEOs in and say "bad CEO, you broke the law". So while the CEO goes to jail for it, the politician who did the same thing, gets another term! (thanks for protecting us from the evil corporations, Big Brother)
First of all, no harm done on the job comment. For the record, my real job has me presently in the Middle East, away from my wife of only 2 months. When I get back I will have been gone longer than we were married before I left. Previous "real jobs" included roofing, waiting tables, landscaping, and working at an auto body shop. I joined the AF because I knew I could sit on my butt all day, never have to go to war, and get rich. I haven't seen it yet-- I am starting to think I was misled.
No doubt some of my post made you angry. No person is above ad hominem when we are hurt-- it's part of our frail human nature. I will respond to your post in sequence best I can.
Abortion: I never took you to be a supporter of abortion, per se. The comment was a blanket statement, not specifically directed at you. Few people who are honest will wholeheartedly endorse the practice. Then again, if you endorse it, you would have to be missing a significant portion of your heart anyway, so I repeat myself. Abortion is a peripheral issue. The real issue is sex, and the fact that it has become so casual and disrespected. Would we have abortion if we didn't have one case after another of an unwanted pregnancy? It goes back to what I mentioned about a feeling of entitlement-- I have a RIGHT to sexual satisfaction. This is a myth. Because people believe this lie (why not, Oprah wouldn't lie to me, whould she?), they search for that satisfaction wherever they can get it... Often that leads to sexual deviance (adultery, homosexuality, bestiality, and others) as they move from one sexual practice to another, searching for this fulfillment that EVERYONE seems to be enjoying but them. Truth is, the fulfillment they seek will not be found in any sexual practice, or any amount of money or anything else that seems to promise it.
As for "Thou Shalt not kill":This is an excerpt of Scripture that, like many others, is often taken out of context, or misinterpreted. The same God who issued this commandment, also once told the israelites to conquer a people utterly-- like salt the earth, poison-the-water, type of vanquish. The logical, scriptural conclusion is that there are times when taking a life is completely justifiable. But justifiable, doesn't mean best outcome. The example that comes to my mind is when someone breaks into your house and threatens you or shows evil intent, you have a right to shot them dead, legally, in my view. Scripturally, it is not so clear. Jesus taught that if a man steals your tunic, to give him your cloak too. If a man strikes you on one cheek, to turn the other. As the Aposle Paul taught, "all things are lawful, but not all are expedient". In other words, what is ultimately best is not a simply matter of right or wrong. Example- I believe that the Bible permits drinking alcohol (but NOT drunkenness). Yet, I choose not to, because it might cause someone else to stumble in their faith if they saw a professing Christian drink alcohol. For me, it is lawful, but not expedient to drink, see?
Another example of misquoted/misunderstood Scripture is the verse about "judge not, lest ye be judged". This is often taken to mean that you can't judge someone. WRONG. Within that same Bible, we are taught that we can know a tree by its fruit. Jesus himself dispatched his disciples with the instructions to "seek out a worthy brother" and give his house their blessing. Otherwise, move on (thus rendering judgement on the person they met). The "judge not" verse is simply an admonishment against the rampant hypocrisy of the time, teaching people that they will be measured by the same stick they measure others with. AND-- ultimately, God reserves judgment for Himself alone.
Sorry for all the theology-- I felt it was relevant. I believe that while the death penalty is justifiable (maybe not the best), that the Bible says very clearly that God is willing that "none should perish, but that all would have everlasting life". So, the short answer: while the Bible may permit the death penalty, saying it endorses the death penalty is wrong
As for morals and governments, they DO go hand-in-hand, sir. Maybe you meant GOOD morals and government. Yes, there are moral failures in the instutition, and in its people. But we as citizens should (and do) expect to goverment to embody the very best in our moral code. That is why a scandal is a scandal. That is part of it being "of the people", along with by the people, and for the people.
Granted, "slave" IS a word charged with emotion. That's why I used it. I am afraid you misunderstand the Social Security System. It is indeed a handout-- a handout that follows a confiscation. There is no correlation to people paying in, and people getting paid back. IF there were, THEN you could maybe say it is insurance/supplement of some kind. Do you believe that when the system was first established that no one benefitted until they had paid in x number of years? Not the case. People began receiving benefits right away, even though they had not paid in a single cent. It was a free handout from the Depression-era socialists that thought they were doing the right thing. Here's the problem: giving those Depression-era folks a free ride (when SS 1st started) means screwing someone later, because that person will have to pay in, and then not receive any benefits, so the system can compensate for the benefits with no pay-in when it started.
For the last few years (ok more like 25) the SS system has taken in WAY more money than it has paid out. That money was SUPPOSED to be saved (or invested) so when all the Boomers retired, it would be solvent. Instead it was squandered year after year as Congress raided this huge pool of money for all their pet projects. It probably helped Robert Byrd ensure that there are only 3 items in all of West Virginia not named for him (the former Klansmen). As a result this "Social Security Trust Fund" is all but empty, and when it comes time for all the Boomers to retire and get "their share", the money they get will come from someplace else, not SS. Another example of robbing Peter to pay Paul. This is what Al Gore was talking about when he mentioned the "LOCKBOX". Unfortunately, there's nothing left to lock up.
I agree that the healthcare system is out of control (thank you, Trial Lawyers Association). Malpractice suits are insane! Did you hear the one about the doctor that cut off the wrong hand? They said he was singlehandedly responsible. Hehe. (just checking to see if you read this far) Anyway, meaningful tort reform, and capping punitive and civil damages is a big step in the right direction.
Free drugs? I will TELL you why not. You think drugs are expensive now? What do you think will happen with they are underwritten by a huge fountain of tax dollars??? Hmm? If I am Pfizer, and a product of mine that goes for $50/month is underwritten $45 by Medicare, price to the patient is only $5, right? Wrong! The price will go up in proportion to the amount the gov't is willing to subsidize. The company has a certain self-interest here, so they have a profit motive to pad the bottom line. When (not if) these costs skyrocket, who will pick up the tab? That's right, the decreasing pool of taxpayers. But not the poor people. . not those with some kind of minority tax credit, a a welfare momma with 12 kids... The middle class and the wealthy. I never understood the logic of how a successful, working person is less entitled to keep their money than someone else is. The best tax in my book is a flat rate that everyone pays the same-- no college credits, no exemptions, nothing. Just a flat tax that we all pay the same rate. Anything else is discriminating, unfair, and frankly, inconsistent with the Constitution.
I bet your mother is sweet. I applaud that you are not leaving her to the gov't, and ARE taking care of her. It used to be (before people realized that more gov't is the cure for all problems) that children took care of their parents when the were old, just as their parents took care of them when they were young. It is sad not everyone is able to do that. It is even more sad, to me, that one of the main reasons they can't is that they have had 12% of their income confiscated to put into a worthless system that they will never get all their money out of. If you had been free to take that money and invest it tax free SPECIFICALLY to take care of your mother, her income from that money alone would probably be more than double what SS furnishes.
People my age will have to save and invest for their own retirement, as well as for their parents, IN ADDITION TO giving the gov't all that money. The gov't is simply too large to be able to care about someone as an individual. It would be much easier for me to "leave the rest of you alone" if I wasn't having money stolen from me to support such a worthless program. Would you give to a charity where only $20 of the $100 you gave them actually went to someone?? hmm?
It's like they say, if we all run our finances like the gov't operates, we'd ALL be bankrupt!! It is almost laughable to watch the crooks in Congress haul these CEOs in and say "bad CEO, you broke the law". So while the CEO goes to jail for it, the politician who did the same thing, gets another term! (thanks for protecting us from the evil corporations, Big Brother)
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No Hohn, I am not mad at you. I am not even mad at your ideaolgy. I do disagree with it however.
The term "Thou shalt not kill!" is a comandment, not a scripture from the Bible. The Bible is filled with inconsistitys and half truths. As everyone knows here I carry the ten comanments with me in the back of my TDC (Ha Ha, just checking if you were still reading).
The mystery should be taken out of sex. It gets to many people in trouble trying to find out what it is all about. We do not have a right as you say to satisfaction, but we can take matters in our own hands(Pun). What two people do behind closed doors is none of my or anybody elses buisness. And further more if two people love each other (even same sex) more power to them. It is NONE of my buisness, I don't invite them to my bedroom and I don't want to see them in thiers.
Myself, I don't believe in the Bible and have a certain disdain for all organized religions. I will say what I do believe in though. I believe when we as a people take someones life by the death penalty, we do not deter crime, we only put ourselves in the same light as the murderer. Our justice system needs a complete overhaul, there is something wrong with a country that has more than ten percent of its population in prison. And this number grows everyday.
The SS system is only going broke because of our goverments mis-managment, not because it didn't or doesen't work. I think this privatisation plan is a failure before it even gets started. All you have to do is look at our nations economy right now to realize what would happen to a persons benefits in bad times. Not only that, but the fact that most young people don't make the money to save or have the common sense, would opt out, and be bankrupt by retirement. I did take some of my mothers money and invested it. Right now half of it is gone, thank you Enron, World com, ect. So much for that idea.
I wish you only Gods speed in coming home. I lost a fiance in the two years I was away (Probably a good thing). It is a good thing to hear veiws from all partys, I believe everyone walks away with a different perspective.
No Hohn, I am not mad at you. I am not even mad at your ideaolgy. I do disagree with it however.
The term "Thou shalt not kill!" is a comandment, not a scripture from the Bible. The Bible is filled with inconsistitys and half truths. As everyone knows here I carry the ten comanments with me in the back of my TDC (Ha Ha, just checking if you were still reading).
The mystery should be taken out of sex. It gets to many people in trouble trying to find out what it is all about. We do not have a right as you say to satisfaction, but we can take matters in our own hands(Pun). What two people do behind closed doors is none of my or anybody elses buisness. And further more if two people love each other (even same sex) more power to them. It is NONE of my buisness, I don't invite them to my bedroom and I don't want to see them in thiers.
Myself, I don't believe in the Bible and have a certain disdain for all organized religions. I will say what I do believe in though. I believe when we as a people take someones life by the death penalty, we do not deter crime, we only put ourselves in the same light as the murderer. Our justice system needs a complete overhaul, there is something wrong with a country that has more than ten percent of its population in prison. And this number grows everyday.
The SS system is only going broke because of our goverments mis-managment, not because it didn't or doesen't work. I think this privatisation plan is a failure before it even gets started. All you have to do is look at our nations economy right now to realize what would happen to a persons benefits in bad times. Not only that, but the fact that most young people don't make the money to save or have the common sense, would opt out, and be bankrupt by retirement. I did take some of my mothers money and invested it. Right now half of it is gone, thank you Enron, World com, ect. So much for that idea.
I wish you only Gods speed in coming home. I lost a fiance in the two years I was away (Probably a good thing). It is a good thing to hear veiws from all partys, I believe everyone walks away with a different perspective.
Now I am confused...
Champane, I am confused. How is it that something is a commandment, but not a Bible Scripture?
Stating that the Bible is "full of inconsistencies and half-truths" simply reveals that you most likely have decided it's not worth your time to learn about. That is your prerogative. Your credibility when you make that statement is very suspicious however, since you apparently didn't realize that "thou shalt not kill" is straight out of the Bible. (in Genesis) I would encourage you to have evidence before you make a statement like that about the Bible. You are betting your soul on something you don't even care about enough to disprove. Assuming of course that you believe that people have souls.
Taking the mystery out of sex would accomplish nothing. It is not knowledge people seek, it is gratification (pleasure). If your reasoning were true, then once someone got drunk, they would never get drunk again, right? Since the "mystery" of drunkenness is gone... People who habitually drink to excess do so not because they are trying to discover something new, but because they enjoy the pleasure of it. That's what makes something addictive.
There is a point to which you are right about people being entitled to privacy behind closed doors. The last thing we need is a religious police going around enforcing some code like the Muslims have. But you have made the mistake of equating privacy with an amoral zone. Right and wrong do not go away just because someone isn't discovered. Congratulations! You have discovered Clintonian ethics. How is it that the most important aspect (character) of the most important person on the planet (President of US) is not something that matters? Why are we as voters not allowed to scrutinize? Granted, we all have our skeletons, and we all have fallen short of the mark. That doesn't mean we just erase the mark or forget that it's there!! It is boggling.
You have become an apt pupil of political correctness, whether by accident or design. Giving someone a moral pass based on privacy is the easy way out. It's popular to do that, because it is easy. Everyone wants to be a "moderate". If you are devoutly conservative or liberal, you are an "extremist". BUT, if you are a "moderate" you are part of the enlightened few who have found intellectual superiority. The truth is that most moderates are moderate by default, because they either lack the intellect to formulate an opinion, or the courage to speak it. I have a hard time respecting either.
Your religious issues are for you to decide. It sounds to me like you have not a made an effort to investigate any religious belief system, but instead dismiss it all out of hand. Again, that's the easy way out. It's also your right to do it.
It is ridiculous to say that when we takes someone's life, we put ourselves in the same light as that murderer. IT is the difference between crime and punishment. Criminal and victim. It could hardly be MORE different in each case. The mere commonality of loss of life pales in comparison to the stark moral contrast between the two.
Your argument on SS is the same as Communists (and extreme leftists) the world over: the system works, it just that the people didn't do it right. Communist Russia fell because the Russians screwed it up, not because there is a flaw in the system. The North Koreans are starving not because of their Communism, but because they aren't doing it right. One of the fundamental premises (and flaws) in any Leftist thinking is Utopianism-- that is, we can create a great society with peace and prosperity for all if we just have the right system. Explain to me how you are going to build a utopian society out of people who are self interested? Every person IS self interested, and that's why leftism never works. If you disagree that people are self interested, then why is it that so many SS recipients vote for the Democrats who will cater to their SS needs? Again, human nature-- the "not-in-my-back-yard" phenomenon. Sure, raise taxes to pay off the national debt, but not MY taxes!! Cut Spending, but not my Social Security!!! The burden is always someone else's to bear. That's human nature.
Rather than ignore the frailty of human nature (which liberalism does by thinking it can be overcome with the right "system"), our Founders accounted for that frail nature and built a system around it. That's why there are so many checks and balances. "Ambition must be made to counter ambition" is what they said.
So yes, the SS system is flawed-- in theory AS WELL as execution. It is not simple mismanagement. Jack Welch couldn't save it.
As for private investment, it is still very much sound and wise. Too many people think way too much in the short term. Exactly what were you expecting out of your investment? Historically, the stock market has appreciated 12% per year on average since 1926 (2000 stat). That includes ALL the major crashes and scandals. The market WILL recover. You have to ride out the storm. The worst 10 year period in market history still smokes any return you get from social insecurity.
As for those who lost all their retirements from Enron and such, I pity them. There's an old proverb somewhere that says something about all your eggs in one basket... . Caveat Emptor.
I just wish that when you invested in the market the Govt would give you back 20% of what you lose, since they take 20% of what you make in the form of capital gains taxes. Seems fair to me.
I am sorry to hear of your losing your Fiancee. Not doubt that hurt a great deal. No matter how strongly I may disagree with you, I would not wish that on my worst enemy (which you are certainly not).
My worst enemy wears a man-dress, prays to Allah, and wants to kill me because I am an American.
Champane, I am confused. How is it that something is a commandment, but not a Bible Scripture?
Stating that the Bible is "full of inconsistencies and half-truths" simply reveals that you most likely have decided it's not worth your time to learn about. That is your prerogative. Your credibility when you make that statement is very suspicious however, since you apparently didn't realize that "thou shalt not kill" is straight out of the Bible. (in Genesis) I would encourage you to have evidence before you make a statement like that about the Bible. You are betting your soul on something you don't even care about enough to disprove. Assuming of course that you believe that people have souls.
Taking the mystery out of sex would accomplish nothing. It is not knowledge people seek, it is gratification (pleasure). If your reasoning were true, then once someone got drunk, they would never get drunk again, right? Since the "mystery" of drunkenness is gone... People who habitually drink to excess do so not because they are trying to discover something new, but because they enjoy the pleasure of it. That's what makes something addictive.
There is a point to which you are right about people being entitled to privacy behind closed doors. The last thing we need is a religious police going around enforcing some code like the Muslims have. But you have made the mistake of equating privacy with an amoral zone. Right and wrong do not go away just because someone isn't discovered. Congratulations! You have discovered Clintonian ethics. How is it that the most important aspect (character) of the most important person on the planet (President of US) is not something that matters? Why are we as voters not allowed to scrutinize? Granted, we all have our skeletons, and we all have fallen short of the mark. That doesn't mean we just erase the mark or forget that it's there!! It is boggling.
You have become an apt pupil of political correctness, whether by accident or design. Giving someone a moral pass based on privacy is the easy way out. It's popular to do that, because it is easy. Everyone wants to be a "moderate". If you are devoutly conservative or liberal, you are an "extremist". BUT, if you are a "moderate" you are part of the enlightened few who have found intellectual superiority. The truth is that most moderates are moderate by default, because they either lack the intellect to formulate an opinion, or the courage to speak it. I have a hard time respecting either.
Your religious issues are for you to decide. It sounds to me like you have not a made an effort to investigate any religious belief system, but instead dismiss it all out of hand. Again, that's the easy way out. It's also your right to do it.
It is ridiculous to say that when we takes someone's life, we put ourselves in the same light as that murderer. IT is the difference between crime and punishment. Criminal and victim. It could hardly be MORE different in each case. The mere commonality of loss of life pales in comparison to the stark moral contrast between the two.
Your argument on SS is the same as Communists (and extreme leftists) the world over: the system works, it just that the people didn't do it right. Communist Russia fell because the Russians screwed it up, not because there is a flaw in the system. The North Koreans are starving not because of their Communism, but because they aren't doing it right. One of the fundamental premises (and flaws) in any Leftist thinking is Utopianism-- that is, we can create a great society with peace and prosperity for all if we just have the right system. Explain to me how you are going to build a utopian society out of people who are self interested? Every person IS self interested, and that's why leftism never works. If you disagree that people are self interested, then why is it that so many SS recipients vote for the Democrats who will cater to their SS needs? Again, human nature-- the "not-in-my-back-yard" phenomenon. Sure, raise taxes to pay off the national debt, but not MY taxes!! Cut Spending, but not my Social Security!!! The burden is always someone else's to bear. That's human nature.
Rather than ignore the frailty of human nature (which liberalism does by thinking it can be overcome with the right "system"), our Founders accounted for that frail nature and built a system around it. That's why there are so many checks and balances. "Ambition must be made to counter ambition" is what they said.
So yes, the SS system is flawed-- in theory AS WELL as execution. It is not simple mismanagement. Jack Welch couldn't save it.
As for private investment, it is still very much sound and wise. Too many people think way too much in the short term. Exactly what were you expecting out of your investment? Historically, the stock market has appreciated 12% per year on average since 1926 (2000 stat). That includes ALL the major crashes and scandals. The market WILL recover. You have to ride out the storm. The worst 10 year period in market history still smokes any return you get from social insecurity.
As for those who lost all their retirements from Enron and such, I pity them. There's an old proverb somewhere that says something about all your eggs in one basket... . Caveat Emptor.
I just wish that when you invested in the market the Govt would give you back 20% of what you lose, since they take 20% of what you make in the form of capital gains taxes. Seems fair to me.
I am sorry to hear of your losing your Fiancee. Not doubt that hurt a great deal. No matter how strongly I may disagree with you, I would not wish that on my worst enemy (which you are certainly not).
My worst enemy wears a man-dress, prays to Allah, and wants to kill me because I am an American.
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My soul is fine, thank you for worrying though Hohn. I do know that "Thou shalt not kill" is in the bible. In text as part of the ten comandments, I believe. As far as studying the bible, the bible needs no more studying. The more people studying it, the more interpetations come from it and the worst it gets. Frankly, I could give a rats behind what someone else thinks about my soul.
I was in the Catholic faith for the first 17 years of my life and studied that faith everyday in schools all over the US and several foreign countrys. I also have been in and seen many other religions. All are very much lacking in my mind. They tend to bend the scriptures to what ever their private adgenda is. See what they have done in your AO. The same man who you say wears a man skirt and prays for your death does so out of religious fever, ignorance, and a unbending mind (ultra conservative). If we take the same ideals, you could say this is another crusade with bigger weapons.
I do have a idea what addiction is so I will tell you what a person is seeking when drinking, drugging, or going for sexual satisfaction. In some cases they are trying to find the first high they experienced again. Sometimes they are seeking someplace in there own mind that is the part of the imagination of what it should be. In some the substance or behavior is all powerful and cannot be controlled by simply saying "No more". It takes admitting that you have no power over it and finding a higher power to give it to. You may call it God, Umgalla of the seven moons, Allah, Buddha, or anything you think is a higher power than yourself. But to say that Christ, Allah, Buddha, or Umgalla is the only way is as ludicrist as saying there is only one way to find peace.
It does not matter what anyone does behind closed doors. This is something as you say that will be judged by a power larger than ourselves. Maybe we should look into everyones morals, I am sure that some of the things this president has done is a whole bunch worse than a sexual encounter in the oval office. I myself say that we as a people have a he11 of lot more to worry about than what the pres is doing behind closed doors. Like with this president and his obessesion with Iraq. A bigger threat in our world today is N. korea, and nothing but asking for a dialoge is requested there. This effects the future of our sons and daughters for years to come, not just who got who in the end.
There you go on the morals of the criminal or lack of such. Who are we to judge and execute someone? Are we not taking the same mind set as the criminal? The criminal saw something that brought him to the wrong conclusion in taking a life, so we should also make a conclusion on what we see fit and take his life? I do not see the logic myself. A woman takes her husbands life after a life of abuse, so we take hers. I have taken lives in self defense, it is not something I took lightly and something I will never forget. You can call it self defense, in service to your country, right, wrong, or in different, you will never forget it! It is something deep inside that tells you it is wrong. Same as when a mother takes her childs life, you just know its wrong.
The SS system is flawed, then we should fix it to where it will provide for ALL who come to retirement age, not just the rich. I did not invest in one stock for my mother, I invested in a broad spectrum. Like I say, it is half of what it was. I certainly hope that this Republican goverment can pull our economy up. I have seen nothing but talk and downturns. NO more excuses from the Republican side, you are now in control, do something or shut up!
Good luck, I hope you don't have to see the things I have. Somehow it does bring the important things in perspective though.
My soul is fine, thank you for worrying though Hohn. I do know that "Thou shalt not kill" is in the bible. In text as part of the ten comandments, I believe. As far as studying the bible, the bible needs no more studying. The more people studying it, the more interpetations come from it and the worst it gets. Frankly, I could give a rats behind what someone else thinks about my soul.
I was in the Catholic faith for the first 17 years of my life and studied that faith everyday in schools all over the US and several foreign countrys. I also have been in and seen many other religions. All are very much lacking in my mind. They tend to bend the scriptures to what ever their private adgenda is. See what they have done in your AO. The same man who you say wears a man skirt and prays for your death does so out of religious fever, ignorance, and a unbending mind (ultra conservative). If we take the same ideals, you could say this is another crusade with bigger weapons.
I do have a idea what addiction is so I will tell you what a person is seeking when drinking, drugging, or going for sexual satisfaction. In some cases they are trying to find the first high they experienced again. Sometimes they are seeking someplace in there own mind that is the part of the imagination of what it should be. In some the substance or behavior is all powerful and cannot be controlled by simply saying "No more". It takes admitting that you have no power over it and finding a higher power to give it to. You may call it God, Umgalla of the seven moons, Allah, Buddha, or anything you think is a higher power than yourself. But to say that Christ, Allah, Buddha, or Umgalla is the only way is as ludicrist as saying there is only one way to find peace.
It does not matter what anyone does behind closed doors. This is something as you say that will be judged by a power larger than ourselves. Maybe we should look into everyones morals, I am sure that some of the things this president has done is a whole bunch worse than a sexual encounter in the oval office. I myself say that we as a people have a he11 of lot more to worry about than what the pres is doing behind closed doors. Like with this president and his obessesion with Iraq. A bigger threat in our world today is N. korea, and nothing but asking for a dialoge is requested there. This effects the future of our sons and daughters for years to come, not just who got who in the end.
There you go on the morals of the criminal or lack of such. Who are we to judge and execute someone? Are we not taking the same mind set as the criminal? The criminal saw something that brought him to the wrong conclusion in taking a life, so we should also make a conclusion on what we see fit and take his life? I do not see the logic myself. A woman takes her husbands life after a life of abuse, so we take hers. I have taken lives in self defense, it is not something I took lightly and something I will never forget. You can call it self defense, in service to your country, right, wrong, or in different, you will never forget it! It is something deep inside that tells you it is wrong. Same as when a mother takes her childs life, you just know its wrong.
The SS system is flawed, then we should fix it to where it will provide for ALL who come to retirement age, not just the rich. I did not invest in one stock for my mother, I invested in a broad spectrum. Like I say, it is half of what it was. I certainly hope that this Republican goverment can pull our economy up. I have seen nothing but talk and downturns. NO more excuses from the Republican side, you are now in control, do something or shut up!
Good luck, I hope you don't have to see the things I have. Somehow it does bring the important things in perspective though.
Dear Hohn
Being reasonable to those without reason is like casting pearls before swine. Don't your fingers get tired of all that typing?
Note: your worst enemy is not the one who wears a man-dress but the unseen one who directs him.
Yours,
Jay
Being reasonable to those without reason is like casting pearls before swine. Don't your fingers get tired of all that typing?
Note: your worst enemy is not the one who wears a man-dress but the unseen one who directs him.
Yours,
Jay
Re: Dear Hohn
Actually seems like a pretty level headed discussion to me. The definition of 'being reasonable' depends on where you're standing to begin with..... I agree with CF on some points & Hohn on others. Each of them is doing a pretty good job of defending/promoting his own beliefs.
We agree on something - couldn't have said it better myself.
Brian
Actually seems like a pretty level headed discussion to me. The definition of 'being reasonable' depends on where you're standing to begin with..... I agree with CF on some points & Hohn on others. Each of them is doing a pretty good job of defending/promoting his own beliefs.
We agree on something - couldn't have said it better myself.
Brian
I'm glad that were keeping it clean. 
I'd hate to see this exchange of ideas closed because someone got offended. I actually agree with some of CF's posts.
I think the most offensive thing in this post would be my originating post. At least to those who would fit the profile.
Eric
I'd hate to see this exchange of ideas closed because someone got offended. I actually agree with some of CF's posts.
I think the most offensive thing in this post would be my originating post.
At least to those who would fit the profile. Eric
One topic at a time perhaps?
Well, I spent 4 hours typing a rebuttal to your post, but lost it when I transmitted it, and it was all gone. Oh well. I am not going to repeat that effort, since nothing could change your mind. Thank you for sharing your experience. It was such a good post too!
I would love to continue the debate, but I think we can shorten our posts by limiting the topics. If you want to talk religion, we can do that. If you want to debate Social Security, we can do that. I should warn you that I can argue MUCH more persuasively against SS than I can on other topics
I, too, hope that I will not have to experience what you did. If I do though, I have peace about whatever may come.
I got my second Anthrax shot, and that sucker hurt like crap. The moron who gave it to me had blood running down my arm and dripping off my elbow. I guess they didn't cover Anthrax shots in the Time-Life "Surgery at Home" series.
Well, I spent 4 hours typing a rebuttal to your post, but lost it when I transmitted it, and it was all gone. Oh well. I am not going to repeat that effort, since nothing could change your mind. Thank you for sharing your experience. It was such a good post too!
I would love to continue the debate, but I think we can shorten our posts by limiting the topics. If you want to talk religion, we can do that. If you want to debate Social Security, we can do that. I should warn you that I can argue MUCH more persuasively against SS than I can on other topics
I, too, hope that I will not have to experience what you did. If I do though, I have peace about whatever may come.
I got my second Anthrax shot, and that sucker hurt like crap. The moron who gave it to me had blood running down my arm and dripping off my elbow. I guess they didn't cover Anthrax shots in the Time-Life "Surgery at Home" series.
Sorry
I am sorry that you lost your last post. We could probably debate each issue to the bitter end, although you have the advantage of a superior education on me. I like to keep things simple and to the point. We will have to do one topic at a time.
Maybe we should get into the Anthrax vaccine/shot, which I understand is not proven to stop Antrhax and has had some mysterious side effects on Gulf war vets. I also understand our goverment/military will not let you opt out of it.
My Grand daughter is in the AF and has done a stint in Saudi. She now is going for training in San Antonio and then off to Germany. At least I will get to see her for Xmas. Good luck and keep your head down. Looks like our President now has all the makings and backing for his private little war on Hussein.
I am sorry that you lost your last post. We could probably debate each issue to the bitter end, although you have the advantage of a superior education on me. I like to keep things simple and to the point. We will have to do one topic at a time.
Maybe we should get into the Anthrax vaccine/shot, which I understand is not proven to stop Antrhax and has had some mysterious side effects on Gulf war vets. I also understand our goverment/military will not let you opt out of it.
My Grand daughter is in the AF and has done a stint in Saudi. She now is going for training in San Antonio and then off to Germany. At least I will get to see her for Xmas. Good luck and keep your head down. Looks like our President now has all the makings and backing for his private little war on Hussein.
thanks
Thanks, Champane. I personally think that it's much ado about nothing for the shot. If side effects were that common, something from all the veterinarians and such who have been getting the shot for 30 years would have come out.
I don't trust the gov't, but I trust God for my protection, so anthrax is not a deal for me.
I also think that this whole Iraq thing is going to be a quagmire like Viet Nam was. I think we should enjoy our American superiority rather than spend it all trying to make everyone else similar to us (i almost said like us, and I think both meanings would apply). We don't need to be nation-building.
Anyone see that the UN passed a the resolution allowing us to go in?
I wonder how many BILLIONS of dollars we are going to be giving out in foreign aid now. No doubt in my mind that we BOUGHT the votes of all these little pee-on banana republics in the UN.
DON'T get me started on how much I hate the UN and all it stands for.
Thanks, Champane. I personally think that it's much ado about nothing for the shot. If side effects were that common, something from all the veterinarians and such who have been getting the shot for 30 years would have come out.
I don't trust the gov't, but I trust God for my protection, so anthrax is not a deal for me.
I also think that this whole Iraq thing is going to be a quagmire like Viet Nam was. I think we should enjoy our American superiority rather than spend it all trying to make everyone else similar to us (i almost said like us, and I think both meanings would apply). We don't need to be nation-building.
Anyone see that the UN passed a the resolution allowing us to go in?
I wonder how many BILLIONS of dollars we are going to be giving out in foreign aid now. No doubt in my mind that we BOUGHT the votes of all these little pee-on banana republics in the UN.
DON'T get me started on how much I hate the UN and all it stands for.
UN did it.
The UN passed another resolution yesterday, now if they (Iraq) doesen't agree within a week we are going in. I think the UN is a good idea gone bad. I do sincerly hope you and I are wrong in our ideas about Iraq. But, I see ground troops getting wrapped up in the high population areas for a long time. The people in Iraq no matter how oppressed, have had the Hussien propaganda machine running for a longtime. And if the one bullet, one vote, election they had not long ago is any barometer on how hard they will fight, we will have our hands full.
It is sure funny that something like a Anthrax vaccine, although used on critters for years is put into our forces at a moments notice without FDA approval. Yet medication that could help thousands in the USA can't get approval. It all has to do with law suits and lawyers I guess.
That could get me started on how much a complete health reform package in the US is needed. The insurance companys have everyone by the cohones and can squeeze at anytime they want. Yet when someone wants to go to a national healthcare system, they turn into a communist or worse. Then the insurance companys put on a media blits, scaring everyone and planting false fears into everyone. The truth is, it is in effect in many countrys with NO problems, in fact some doctors are going to these countrys to practice to get away from insurance costs.
Hohn, keep your head down and come home soon.
The UN passed another resolution yesterday, now if they (Iraq) doesen't agree within a week we are going in. I think the UN is a good idea gone bad. I do sincerly hope you and I are wrong in our ideas about Iraq. But, I see ground troops getting wrapped up in the high population areas for a long time. The people in Iraq no matter how oppressed, have had the Hussien propaganda machine running for a longtime. And if the one bullet, one vote, election they had not long ago is any barometer on how hard they will fight, we will have our hands full.
It is sure funny that something like a Anthrax vaccine, although used on critters for years is put into our forces at a moments notice without FDA approval. Yet medication that could help thousands in the USA can't get approval. It all has to do with law suits and lawyers I guess.
That could get me started on how much a complete health reform package in the US is needed. The insurance companys have everyone by the cohones and can squeeze at anytime they want. Yet when someone wants to go to a national healthcare system, they turn into a communist or worse. Then the insurance companys put on a media blits, scaring everyone and planting false fears into everyone. The truth is, it is in effect in many countrys with NO problems, in fact some doctors are going to these countrys to practice to get away from insurance costs.
Hohn, keep your head down and come home soon.
will do
I second your thoughts on the UN. Just a place for the little Pee-on countries to try and have extort the bigger ones.
I wonder how much in foreign aid and other handouts we had to promise to all these banana republics to get them to sign off on going into Iraq. The UN is bad by any measure. It's proof that what seems like a good idea isn't always workable, no matter how hard you try.
Had a sobering experience the other day. We had to medevac a Navy guy out of here. There was blood everywhere-- his hands, his face, on the gurney. Lots of ice on his right leg. Turn out his right leg was severed and laying on the gurney roughly where it should have been. The ice was to try to keep it salvageable. He was tying something down on deck when a strap or chain or something snapped, and the end severed his leg. He lost it, but kept his life, we hear.
I am supposed to be home within a month! WOOHOO! Back to my lovely wife and wonderful truck.
Healthcare is something that I will have to think about more-- hopefully before I get sick
Hohn
I second your thoughts on the UN. Just a place for the little Pee-on countries to try and have extort the bigger ones.
I wonder how much in foreign aid and other handouts we had to promise to all these banana republics to get them to sign off on going into Iraq. The UN is bad by any measure. It's proof that what seems like a good idea isn't always workable, no matter how hard you try.
Had a sobering experience the other day. We had to medevac a Navy guy out of here. There was blood everywhere-- his hands, his face, on the gurney. Lots of ice on his right leg. Turn out his right leg was severed and laying on the gurney roughly where it should have been. The ice was to try to keep it salvageable. He was tying something down on deck when a strap or chain or something snapped, and the end severed his leg. He lost it, but kept his life, we hear.
I am supposed to be home within a month! WOOHOO! Back to my lovely wife and wonderful truck.
Healthcare is something that I will have to think about more-- hopefully before I get sick
Hohn
Short
Its time for all the short jokes Hohn? My Grand daughter is going to try for flight medic, shes at Andrews right now. Hopeing for Germany after training at San Antonio.
I was Medivac for about four months, actually Dustoff. Very sobering.....
Hurry home.
Its time for all the short jokes Hohn? My Grand daughter is going to try for flight medic, shes at Andrews right now. Hopeing for Germany after training at San Antonio.
I was Medivac for about four months, actually Dustoff. Very sobering.....
Hurry home.
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