Competition ZZ's new 12 valve intake Manifold

[COWBOYDUALLY]

?????

Hey Yall, Does going this route say with a 24 vlv head really make that much difference, I hear other things like a cam and a set of tuned up twins will do the trick????? so really what yall are telling me is you have to cut the side of the head off to fully get the porting and polishing done? Holman this thang might jump my milage to say 26????? :-laf :-laf ... ... . Jeremy

 

[banshee]

you or your heros have somthing that will run 8. 85 in 10,000 feet,

10. 5 @ 132 at IRP on #2 only. That's lugging 6200 lbs down the 1/4, by the way. Their calculated HP numbers make yours (on a load of nitrous) look weenie

 

[COMP461]

10. 50 is not 8. 80 the score board is all that maters

 

[banshee]

10. 50 is not 8. 80 the score board is all that maters

You sound like a broken record. Of course, since you're <i> still </i> sucking hind tit when it comes to making power I guess it's all you have to go on. It's too bad the Smith's motor isn't in a tin can like yours, because we'd be seeing 7s now.

 

[GIT-R-DONE]

Do they have a web site for ordering one, or where/what vendors are selling these? TIA

 

[John_P]

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Quote by "COMP 461":



... ... ..... "its not old school and it doesn't need a case of ether.

Why would they assume it was theirs?"

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COMP, you are just so full of yourself your head is going to explode

one day! :-laf You don't read and listen what people tell you either but just keep on "beating the same old issues to death!" Are you denying you posted a picture of the "Virtual Works Header" or one IDENTICAL TO IT on that "Engine Build Up" post of yours? I'll get "banshee" to post a link so all the members here can see "how full of it" you are! I asked you a SIMPLE question about your new intake and you can't even give us a straight answer!

Why is that COMP???? And yes, I am on here asking about it, but NOT ON EVERY ONE OF YOUR THREADS as you stated! How about keeping your facts straight there COMP! As usual,... ... another one of your "exaggerations!"



So all of the TDR Members here also know what we are talking about and referring to, reference your "case of ether" statement I am going to tell them

the TRUTH, not the lies and innuendo you are spreading!



At the "ATS Truckfest" in Denver about a month ago now,I was helping Jimmy and Dale Smith with their DHRA Pro-Street Truck. They were invited to the event by Clint and Ranee Cannon from ATS. Due to the altitude, they were having trouble getting their twin turbos to spool up AS WERE MANY OF THE OTHER PARTICIPANTS!!! They installed a simple single stage nitrous system to help the spool-up which it did. For everyones information, Jimmy and Dale use a small amount of ether to start the truck, NOT A FULL CASE OR A FULL CAN, but a small steady stream and that is all! Those are the FACTS and they are unrefuted!



COMP made a big issue of this on HIS post of how he ran at that event and I also corrected him there too.



Everyone here knows that COMP is running nitrous, ALOT of nitrous! Jimmy and Dale Smith want to run on #2 diesel alone and do that almost everywhere with the exception of the runs at Bandimere Dragway in Denver.

COMP's truck weighs probably half as much as Jimmy and Dale Smiths Pro-Street Truck! COMP, lets see you take ALL of the nitrous off your truck and show everybody how that truck of yours will then! Whaddya say,... ..... lets do that at Atlanta!! Hell,... ... you BARELY beat Keating at Bowling Green

(5. 97 (COMP) versus 6. 11 (KEATING) in the 1/8th mile) and your ttwo trucks are more identical than yours and the Smith's! Most all TDR Members who read these boards and posts know EXACTLY who you are referring to when you mention the ether issue COMP! As I said before, people aren't as stupid as you think they are! I realize though that we can't all be quite as "smart" as you are! Man,... ... . that "Virtual Works" Header thing you posted was GREAT! :-laf I don't care if it does have a "different flange" like you said.

Point is, it looks like you like to use "someone elses" technology and ideas and then say YOU INVENTED or developed it!



One last thing which I have brought up before;... ... ... ... ... ... ... . your BEST EVER time of 8. 7 @ 154 MPH at the Ennis track back in 2004?? When are you going match that time COMP??? Lets see,... ... you predicted 8. 2 to 8. 3 at Kentucky and you ran a best of 9. 45. At Denver you predicted a time of 8. 4 and you ran an 8. 8? What happened to at least getting back to your ORIGINAL TIME of 8. 7????? Any predictions on an E. T. for Atlanta???



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Travis:



Thanks for your kind words on Jimmy and Dale Smith! You are right, they are two truly GREAT people and IMO both of them have forgotten more about PR and "how to treat your fellow man/racer" than COMP 461 will EVER know!

COMP is pretty close to Jim Fulmer, another very fine guy and I have told COMP he should look to Jim for how to act and conduct himself with other racers and fans!



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John_P

 

[TravisG]

Just friends taking up for friends Comp.



I told ya he was typing. No sweat John see ya in Terre Haute.

 

[COMP461]

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Quote by "COMP 461":



... ... ..... "its not old school and it doesn't need a case of ether.

Why would they assume it was theirs?"

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COMP, you are just so full of yourself your head is going to explode

one day! :-laf You don't read and listen what people tell you either but just keep on "beating the same old issues to death!" Are you denying you posted a picture of the "Virtual Works Header" or one IDENTICAL TO IT on that "Engine Build Up" post of yours? I'll get "banshee" to post a link so all the members here can see "how full of it" you are! I asked you a SIMPLE question about your new intake and you can't even give us a straight answer!

Why is that COMP???? And yes, I am on here asking about it, but NOT ON EVERY ONE OF YOUR THREADS as you stated! How about keeping your facts straight there COMP! As usual,... ... another one of your "exaggerations!"



So all of the TDR Members here also know what we are talking about and referring to, reference your "case of ether" statement I am going to tell them

the TRUTH, not the lies and innuendo you are spreading!



At the "ATS Truckfest" in Denver about a month ago now,I was helping Jimmy and Dale Smith with their DHRA Pro-Street Truck. They were invited to the event by Clint and Ranee Cannon from ATS. Due to the altitude, they were having trouble getting their twin turbos to spool up AS WERE MANY OF THE OTHER PARTICIPANTS!!! They installed a simple single stage nitrous system to help the spool-up which it did. For everyones information, Jimmy and Dale use a small amount of ether to start the truck, NOT A FULL CASE OR A FULL CAN, but a small steady stream and that is all! Those are the FACTS and they are unrefuted!



COMP made a big issue of this on HIS post of how he ran at that event and I also corrected him there too.



Everyone here knows that COMP is running nitrous, ALOT of nitrous! Jimmy and Dale Smith want to run on #2 diesel alone and do that almost everywhere with the exception of the runs at Bandimere Dragway in Denver.

COMP's truck weighs probably half as much as Jimmy and Dale Smiths Pro-Street Truck! COMP, lets see you take ALL of the nitrous off your truck and show everybody how that truck of yours will then! Whaddya say,... ..... lets do that at Atlanta!! Hell,... ... you BARELY beat Keating at Bowling Green

(5. 97 (COMP) versus 6. 11 (KEATING) in the 1/8th mile) and your ttwo trucks are more identical than yours and the Smith's! Most all TDR Members who read these boards and posts know EXACTLY who you are referring to when you mention the ether issue COMP! As I said before, people aren't as stupid as you think they are! I realize though that we can't all be quite as "smart" as you are! Man,... ... . that "Virtual Works" Header thing you posted was GREAT! :-laf I don't care if it does have a "different flange" like you said.

Point is, it looks like you like to use "someone elses" technology and ideas and then say YOU INVENTED or developed it!



One last thing which I have brought up before;... ... ... ... ... ... ... . your BEST EVER time of 8. 7 @ 154 MPH at the Ennis track back in 2004?? When are you going match that time COMP??? Lets see,... ... you predicted 8. 2 to 8. 3 at Kentucky and you ran a best of 9. 45. At Denver you predicted a time of 8. 4 and you ran an 8. 8? What happened to at least getting back to your ORIGINAL TIME of 8. 7????? Any predictions on an E. T. for Atlanta???



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Travis:



Thanks for your kind words on Jimmy and Dale Smith! You are right, they are two truly GREAT people and IMO both of them have forgotten more about PR and "how to treat your fellow man/racer" than COMP 461 will EVER know!

COMP is pretty close to Jim Fulmer, another very fine guy and I have told COMP he should look to Jim for how to act and conduct himself with other racers and fans!



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John_P

Maybe they could get them to lose a turbo, if we lose the nitrous; a power adder is a power adder, plain and simple. You started this, I did not mention anyone by name, but you state that everyone must know who I was talking about, WHY IS THAT? but as always its all about the sacred old guard in diesel, no one could even come close to them, this is what Sleddie preaches, and has relentlessly cheerleader, so get a chair and watch .



The world according to Sleddie

It common knowledge any sane person must build a diesel that takes ether to start right? It’s the only way to make real power, I must be wrong on that point I do not have a can of ether maybe, someone could please buy me some, so that I could emulate the real power makes in the diesel world.



Its common knowledge that a diesel needs to chug smoke for an inordinate amount of time, to get up on those big manly chargers. I’m wrong , on that one to , can’t make mine do that , maybe if I cut a but load more compression , and put some big lazy cam profiles , along with ridicules timing , along with some big lazy Chargers, I could make mine emulate the old guard of the diesel world.



The real world of drag racing is just that you think that gassers don’t want you at a track because you so fast , or maybe its because it more like you try to flaunt the smoke and long spool up time in everyone’s face, trying to extenuate the bad parts of diesel racing .



Every been to San Francisco and seem one of those parades they show on the communist news channel, its bad enough the facts, but flaunt it is even worse. That is what the diesel drag racing world is trying to out grow, is the bad manors. The real world is about racing with everyone else and not asking for special attention, go up stage, and leave in a realistic amout of time .

 

[GIT-R-DONE]

Do they have a web site for ordering one, or where/what vendors are selling these? TIA

Any ideas ?

 

[John_P]

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Quote by "COMP 461":



"You started this... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... "



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WRONG AGAIN Hogue!!!! YOU; Greg Hogue AKA: COMP 461, started ALL of the talk on the ether when you mentioned ether being used at the "ATS Truckfest" Event in Denver last month! NOT ME buddy! I was responding to YOUR accusations and innuendo concerning "a full can or two of ether being used on a truck at the "ATS Truckfest!" That statement was FALSE then and it is FALSE now! (See my post above). As far as the issue with the "Virtual Works" Header for the in-line 6-cylinder Toyota Supra Motor, YOU posted that picture yourself on that "Engine Build-Up" Post you started and TDR Member "banshee" caught you "red handed" when he showed an IDENTICAL picture of the one you posted from the "Virtual Works" Website! IMO, those headers are THE SAME! So,... ... ... say what you want to but you just flat screwed up and got caught trying to make yourself look good again!



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Quote by "COMP 461":



"I did not mention anyone by name but you state that everyone must know

who I was talking about, WHY IS THAT?"

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COMP, you must really think that the regular members here who post and have a pretty good knowledge of the diesel drag racing events are stupid!

Well I'm sorry, but I give these guys alot more credit than you do! I am not even going to waste my time here trying to explain it to someone as "dense" as you! Any of the members who attended the events Jimmy and Dale were at (Indy, Kentucky and Denver) have enough "common sense" to know who you are talking about! The unrefuted fact is they still ran a 10. 5 @ Indy in a truck that probably weighs twice as much as yours does and on #2 diesel alone!



Your issue with the smoke the DHRA Pro-Street Trucks put out is pretty lame too! Are you saying your truck doesn't black smoke on #2??? If so, you are wrong because I know for a fact that it does! No, it doesn't smoke as much with all the nitrous you are spraying, nor would ANY of the race trucks! If the drivers of those trucks want to run #2 diesel then that is THEIR CHOICE! It has NOTHING to do with "technology" like you say. Anyone can stick four or five nitrous solenoids on a truck and make it run! :-laf If you don't like the smoke then why don't you organize the drivers of the DHRA and NHDRA Diesel Trucks and make changes to the rules with the sanctioning bodies instead of getting on here and attacking other drivers like Jimmy and Dale Smith and the shop that builds their engines (Scheid Diesel). Why is that? I can tell you why,... . because you are unprofessional in your dealings with other drivers and have the attitude that you think you are better than everyone else COMP!!



Another thing I have noticed about you is you ***** all the time on this website about "internet cheerleaders" yet you are one yourself!! :-laf Oh, you talk real tough on here about ether, spool-up of the trucks at the dragstrip, and how Scheid Diesel doesn't know how to build a diesel racing engine! But when you have a chance to talk "face to face" with someone about all that you DON'T DO IT!



Let me give you an example: I was in ATS's Garage on Friday July 21, 2006, the night before "Truckfest" helping Jimmy and Dale Smith on their truck. We were in the process of filling the transmission with fluid when you walked in and stood right at the right fender of their "Pro-Street Dodge CTD" and NEVER said one word to me, Jimmy or Dale Smith about ANY OF THIS! Yet, after you get back from Denver you get on this website and start attacking them about the ether, spool-up of the turbos etc. ! I would have liked to have seen you say something to their faces there COMP!! :-{} Maybe next time huh???? I SERIOUSLY doubt that!



Why don't you look up the word "professional" in the Websters Dictionary when you have some time there COMP! You definitely don't fit the definition!

Like I told you before, look to your good friend Jim Fulmer. He can show you what a professional is!



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John_P

 

[BigBadDodge]

#ad










Can't we all just get along :-laf





BBD

 

[AFarmer]

Sounds good... I agree.

 

[fest3er]

... Can't we all just get along :-laf



BBD

Geez. My 7 siblings and I got along just fine growing up. Often just like this.



N

 

[banshee]

An example of Comp's ingenuity:



Comp's "Custom designed header for a Cummins"



#ad




or... a copy of a Supra manifold?? Hey, they're both I-6s, and the diesel guys are stupid, right?? LOL



#ad




I'll be in Atlanta Comp... I'd love to see if you'll spew as much crap face to face as you do behind your keyboard.

 

[COMP461]

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Quote by "COMP 461":



"You started this... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... "









COMP, you must really think that the regular members here who post and have a pretty good knowledge of the diesel drag racing events are stupid!

Well I'm sorry, but I give these guys alot more credit than you do! I am not even going to waste my time here trying to explain it to someone as "dense" as you! Any of the members who attended the events Jimmy and Dale were at (Indy, Kentucky and Denver) have enough "common sense" to know who you are talking about! The unrefuted fact is they still ran a 10. 5 @ Indy in a truck that probably weighs twice as much as yours does and on #2 diesel alone!





Why don't you look up the word "professional" in the Websters Dictionary when you have some time there COMP! You definitely don't fit the definition!

Like I told you before, look to your good friend Jim Fulmer. He can show you what a professional is!



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John_P

Therefore, you insinuate that because of something that these friends of yours did at Indy, everyone knows who I am referring to when I talk about a slow spooling truck. That is interesting what did they do so that everyone e knew ? Why would everyone know? Wow wasn’t even because of the thin air as you were saying earlier, and now I’m getting a barrage of support PM telling me about the same deal, didn’t know its was that noticed that everyone knows who.



You all set back and laugh, when Sleddie jabs and horangs , us, and our motor program talking about how slow we are , and our motors are never going to be competitive with the old guard, but when we respond back , about his so-called hero’s, not even naming them by name , you would have thought we had blasphemed , maybe used holy water in the Snow boost cooler .



The facts are the facts , new thoughts in diesel drag racing power plants are coming , the whole sport is opening up to mainstream enovatators , and mainstream people like myself and Ray Little of RayMac and Greg Young Or ZZ are infiltrating the diesel world . This scares someone, or the attacks would not be coming



As far as the header, its was a neat piece, done by a fabricator in the DFW area . I found this header at the ceramic coater in the same town. Who’s design was it , , who cares ,its just a header , all headers are a one off work of art , it will work, I acquires one damaged by that coater and went to cutting , to do jig work, the tubing is to thin and not inconel like the new one ZZ has on his list to build . This is just the normal tactics of trying to take the spot light off the advances in diesel technology , if its not from the hollowed old guard.





As far as my professionalism, do not take your self so seriously, this forum is only open to a few, and I personally talk to about 75% of the people on here, that I banter with on a weekly basis, and some a daily basis. I know what the path to take a diesel truck in to mainstream motorsports , and that is in play as we speak.



The real market is not the extremes that most of us represent in diesel motorsports, but the person with a pickup wanting a little more power and fuel economy pulling a travel trailer, horse trailer, or a race car trailer.



When I run at a mainstream event such as an NHRA national , in a sportsman class, the attention that this project receives is enormous, the average person doesn’t know that you can even hop up a diesel. This is exposure. I a totally understand of motorsports marketing, and you will see the real diesel mainstream effort in the near future. Next season we plan on exposing diesel motorsports to an estimated 1. 5 million fans, in person , and a few media events with even larger audiences , that 15 races multiplied by 100,000 fans average in attendance , this doesn’t include the SEMA, PRI or other major shows . I have also been selected to go on a USO tour with the truck , the last part of the year . Do it any way you like, call me anything you like, just do not say I am unknown.



A further note , people like Dan Schied , Peirs , Hasily , Enterprise , are all qualified engine builders , their pulling engines are some of the most impressive diesel engines I have seen, but the diesel drag racing engine is an entirely different animal . A diesel drag racing engine must start, stage, spool up in the same time any other engine, gas or diesel hit the tree, and leave the starting line at the correct time. I have no doubt that these engine shops will catch on , they are talented guys , but I have been espousing a new bread of diesels , and a few have attacked me on many occasions , some of that is my fault , some of this is just in fun. But when the shoe is on the other foot, a few get their feelings hurt.

Get a life

 

[Tcolesanti]

one of those parades they show on the communist news channel

Comp, you watch the communist news channel? Boy, oh boy, they let anybody join this website... ... ... ... ... .

 

[COMP461]

Comp, you watch the communist news channel? Boy, oh boy, they let anybody join this website... ... ... ... ... .

Fox news , Former USMC here , can't watch the anti American CNN

 

[John_P]

banshee:



Thanks for posting that picture of the "Virtual Works Header" which COMP 461 said was a "Custom designed header for a Cummins!" Now were getting somewhere. Any TDR Member that still thinks we are off-base can click on the link you posted. IT IS THE SAME HEADER!



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Quote by "COMP 461":



... ..... the whole sport is opening up to the mainstream and mainstream

people like myself and Ray Little of RayMac and Greg Young or ZZ are

infiltrating the diesel world. This scares someone or the attacks would

not be coming. "... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...

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COMP:



I have NEVER said here or anywhere else anything derogatory about Ray

Little or "Ray Mac Racing. " In fact, I specifically told you in that post after

Denver that "you had a good program with them and Jimmy and Dale Smith

had a good program with Scheid Diesel. " Go back and check it if you want

to. I also lived in Houston, Texas for over twenty years and had heard nothing but good things about them and their engines. No sir,... ... . I have no problem with ANY of them or their staff. The "attacks" you speak of are between YOU AND I and it concerns YOUR attacks, lies and exaggerations

concerning the ether issue, the spool-up issue with the turbos and the fact

that you believe Scheid Diesel cannot build a good drag racing engine/vehicle.

One thing that I don't understand is why Ray Little and his staff don't "keep a shorter leash on you!" :-laf IMO,... ... you are not only hurting yourself but you are hurting them too. As far you receiving "this barrage of support by PM" on all of this THAT is puzzling to me? Why do I say that?

Because I attend alot of diesel events throughout the year and the events that you have attended so far that I have been at support for you is about 80/20. Eighty percent of the people think of you about like I do and twenty percent think you are alright! Granted, that isn't the entire U. S. but I can tell you out here on the east coast (NC, SC, Va. , TN) hardly anyone I have talked to even knows who you or your truck are! I m going to say it again

Mr. Hogue; your attitude and actions toward others leaves ALOT to be desired! Many of the people you call "your friends" tell me the SAME thing about you behind your back regardless of what you think they say to your face! So,... ... . don't be too sure you are gaining all of this "positive ground"

in the diesel performance/racing world. Sometimes the truth really hurts, but

if you just change your attitude towards others and let your truck prove itself on the track and NOT on the internet then I thinkl you would gain alot

more respect! You don't like being attacked? Then don't attack others!



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Quote by "COMP 461":



"People like Dan Scheid, Piers, Haisley, Enterprise are all qualified engine builders, their pulling engines are some of the most impressive diesel engines I have seen, but the diesel drag engine is a different animal. A diesel drag racing engine must start, stage ramp up on the tree and leave the starting line at the correct time. I have no doubt that these engine shops will catch on, they are talented guys, but I have been espousing another breed of diesels and a few have attacked me on many occasions, some of that is my

fault... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... . "

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COMP:



Well, by gosh maybe we are getting somewhere now! Did it hurt you to say all that Greg? Honestly,... ... ..... I want to commend you for saying it!



As I have told you before, Dan Scheid and his entire staff and crew are very good friends of mine and have been for a long time! Much like your relationship with "Ray Mac Racing!" While Dan Scheid may be new to diesel drag racing, I promise you he WILL get it figured out and when he does look out.



I will also agree that you definitely have "been attacked on many occasions",

some of it deserved, some of it not. To see you say that "some of it is your fault" tells me that MAYBE you are beginning to realize that the things you post and say here and in public can sometimes come back to bite you in the a**! I have told you at length why I have some problems with you and hopefully this will end some of that. Time will tell. I am a believer in the saying; "Actions speak louder than words. " But, everyone has to start somewhere.



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John_P

 

[DavidTD]

I can't believe in all this talk about engines and diesel HP, not one person has mentioned the top dog diesel engine builder on the planet.



www.jcwhitney.com

 

[KLockliear]

As far as the header, its was a neat piece, done by a fabricator in the DFW area . I found this header at the ceramic coater in the same town.

I am interested to know who the fabricator or coater was. I'll go see Dana tonight after work and tell him that someone is making copies of his header, complete with his "VWR" Virtual Works Racing logo plasma cut into the flanges. That should **** him off pretty well, since he built and designed the thing himself over lots and lots of dyno/strip runs.



Thanks for bringing it to my (and therefore Dana's) attention.



So what shop was it in?