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2nd Gen Non-Engine/Transmission 98 12 valve, no cruise control

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Engine/Transmission (1998.5 - 2002) question for anyone

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I recently lost the cruise control. There's no info as to which fuse covers it. I looked at the under hood fuse/relay box too. Nada.

Can someone lend a little guidence?:D

If it's not the fuse, what's the next problem prone part?

Thanks. I really like using the cruise, I'm going through withdrawl..... :rolleyes:

Eric



PS I recently switched batteries,(to group 31's) but I think it wasnt working before that. :confused:
 
the vacuum line probably fell off or the servo has a leak, the servo hides under the left battery, on mine the battery drippings had eaten a hole in the servo that i patched with jb weld, still going about 12k miles later
 
I dont think that's it.

The servo may be rotting, but the light in the dashboard isnt lighting, and it was just a short time ago. Guess I shoudl have written that into the orig post. :eek:

I'm thinking electrical.

Thanks, I will check out the servo/rot issue soon. :D

Eric
 
Patriot:

Check your brake lamp switch. My cruise has died twice and replacing the switch fixed the problem. regards, steve whalen
 
i will tell you what happend to mine,the clock spring. its in the steering column. i just bypassed the steering column and put the switch on the dash. it works like it should. thanks
 
Hokay:

do you have 4X4 engage, Heater control vent direction? - then your vacuum is probably ok (essential for cruise).



Speedo and ABS appears normal - cause if that circuit enters a fault no cruise.



from there check OEM manual or Chilton's etc for VSS circuit.
 
Me too. But at 225,000 miles and 9. 5 years, I expect the truck to be a little flaky. For a year or two, the cruise would suddenly disengage or rare occasion; resume would put it back. Then in the past year, it just wouldn't work at all for a while, then it would. At one point, it wouldn't turn on at all (no green dash light). Then it did for a little while. Now it hasn't worked at all in months. Driving from here to Houston to the MiniApple and home again was a chore.



Vacuum is strong (almost sucks my finger into the hose). Steering wheel switch resistances are in order. Green dash light turns on. Brake switch seems OK. But there's no joy.



If the weather holds tomorrow, I'm going to pull the battery and servo and see if there's anything obviously wrong with it. If nothing is obvious, I'll see what an ohmmeter will tell me about the servo. If I can figure out the circuit, I'll see if I can operate it 'manually'. I'm thinking three possibilities. (1) the servo is dead and I need a replacement (if it's irrepairable). (2) Connections are rusted and need Dremelling. (3) PCM is toast.



I hope it ain't the PCM. Several years ago, the A/C quit; turns out the PCM was no longer letting the A/C run. A wiring bypass fixed *that* problem. A dead servo won't be much cheaper. I'm hoping it's a simple electrical problem.



I'm really not looking forward to towing a 12' trailer to Vegas and back without CC. I'll have to buy special shoes out there, with the right foot a couple sizes bigger than the left!
 
I know what youre saying. I only have 116,000 miles. :{

Keep me posted. I dont have the time to crawl under it and start removing parts.

I was hoping it was a simple fuse. :{ Guess I'm not that lucky.

My switches have ALWAYS been hard to work,(not to mention the dam horn) maybe I'll try some electrical contact cleaner first.

Eric
 
Is there a trick to removing the servo? I pulled my battery out, and undid the bolts in the battery tray (in the bottom and in the side) and I couldn't get the tray to come out.
 
it's been over a year since i did mine but i don't remember it being more then a minor pain in the butt to pull the servo
 
Is there a trick to removing the servo? I pulled my battery out, and undid the bolts in the battery tray (in the bottom and in the side) and I couldn't get the tray to come out.



You found those nuts 'n' bolts, but you missed the nut behind the wh... errr, the two nuts in front of the wheel (between the splash liner and the body). Then you have to disconnect the battery temp sensor and the servo connector.

Then the battery tray will come out right nicely.



I took mine apart today. Fixed a bunch of oddities. But still no joy.



While you have the battery tray out, you'll see a connector that has a bunch of black wires going into it. This is a 'ground tie'. It's worth undoing that and cleaning it. I didn't have much of a servo ground until I did (54K ohms is a very poor connection).



(Note: when checking for 'closed' circuit, the ideal is zero ohms. However, in practice, don't be dismayed if you see as much as 5 ohms; this is still pretty close to a short circuit. )



Use a DMM and check your various grounds (making sure the meter probes are well connected to the metal). If you see around 2-4 ohms or less, consider the ground OK. If it's hundreds or thousands of ohms, *something* needs cleaning. Ensure servo connector pin 4 is well connected to ground.



Next, with the brake switch disconnected, jumper its connector pin 4 to ground. Then check the resistance of servo connector pin 3 to ground. You should, again, see 2-4 ohms or so. If it's higher, or open, you have more checking to do.



Disconnect C134 (the large connector under the dash by the brakes). Pin 48 (for my '98, IIRC) on the loose connector goes to pin 4 of the brake switch connector. You should see a short circuit between these two pins. Pin 48 on the fixed connector goes to pin 3 on the servo connector. This, too, should be a short circuit.



Once I verified that the wiring was as it should be, I put it back together. Then the CC wouldn't turn on. @#*$&#! Checked servo pin 3: millivolts. Checked brake switch position: OK. So I loosened C-134 and snugged it back down a little less this time. Now the CC light turns on. OK. Time for a test drive. ... No joy. It doesn't work.



So, if the weather holds tomorrow, I'll take it all apart again and see if I can operate the servo manually. I'll apply 12V to pin 3, ground pin 4, then short the other pins in the right manner and see if the servo moves at all. I *think* the PCM just grounds these two pins to actuate the solenoids inside the servo (just as it grounds the intake heater solenoid controls to actuate them; this 'grounding' is another reason the PCM needs to have very solid grounds). I wish I had a small vacuum pump so I can hear what's happening. Hmmm. Maybe I can use a large vacuum pump: Dad's Town Car; it's got a quiet motor.



I do need to make sure the vacuum check valve is working. While the engine is running, the pump *should* be producing a constantly 'large' vacuum. But, at 9. 5 years, maybe it's getting tired, and the check valve is needed anyway.



And I didn't bother applying 12V to the servo's pin 3 to look for 12V on the other three pins (the Sadist's Manual's sole test for the servo)



Because the Sadist's Manual doesn't really describe the operation of the servo, here are my guesses. I think the 12V and ground pins set up the solenoids in a 'safe' mode: vacuum closed off, vent open to atmosphere; this way the servo cannot interfere with accelerator operation. When CC is engaged, the vent is closed off, and the vacuum is pulsed open to bring the accelerator to 'speed'. Once at speed, the vacuum is left closed again. When the vehicle slows, the vacuum is pulsed open again to bring it back to speed. All this while, the vent has been held shut. When the vehicle is moving too fast, the vacuum is left shut and the vent is pulsed open to let the accelerator decrease fueling. When the vehicle is back down to speed, the vent is held closed again.



If the servo doesn't seem to work, I'll just have to take it apart. It would seem the electronics are held in by a couple screws (rather than epoxy, plastiwelding or rivets).



Hmmm. This could make a really nice journeyman's throttle stick: flip a switch to power the servo and close the vent. Then tap the vacuum momentary-contact switch to increase RPM. Tap the vent momentary-contact (or momentary-break) switch to reduce RPM. Turn off the power to return the engine to idle. Add a simple controller that reads RPM from the CCD bus and you could have an RPM-based cruise control, a minimum idle speed control, or even a constant RPM stationary operation control. Just think: no more futzing around with the P-pump's hidden, hard-to-reach idle-speed adjuster: let the cruise control servo do it for you!
 
i will tell you what happend to mine,the clock spring. its in the steering column. i just bypassed the steering column and put the switch on the dash. it works like it should. thanks



I was going to suggest this too. If the "Airbag" light is lit too, the clockspring busted.
 
if you have access to a snap on mt2500 aka the brick it can cycle all of the solenoids in the servo through the obdII connector, it's been a long time since i played with mine but i think there was 3 or 4 different things it would do with the cruise besides give you feedback that the switches are working
 
Update.



I hand-tested the servo (manually applied +12V and ground, grounded the vent pin, then pulse-grounded the vacuum pin). It raised and lowered the RPM as expected. After spending much of the afternoon on it, and replacing the brake switch, I've concluded that the PCM is toast. If I unplug the brake switch and manually jumper pine 3 and 4 together, the servo gets +12V power. If I solder 3 and 4 together and plug the switch back in, the servo doesn't get +12V power. If I apply +12V to brake switch pin 4, CC still doesn't work.



Last time I tested the CC switch in the steering wheel, the resistances were about correct. And, as stated before, the PCM stopped running A/C a couple years ago. So, either the PCM is toast, or it has a flaky ground or two. I'm betting the PCM has burned out large portions of itself over time.



So I give up. I'll have to drive to Vegas without CC. Maybe I can find an external control module I can connect to the servo, and maybe install a tailshaft sensor to feed it vehicle speed. Someday.



I still like the idea of making my own controller, though. I wouldn't mind losing the throttle stick.



N
 
No Cruise with Auto trans = TPS trouble

Patriot.

You dont fill in your signatrue?

is your truck a stick or auto?

If it is an auto then the TPS voltage afffects the CC.

My truck is on its 3rd TPS, 22067klm on her now, these things are not cheap, I see anything from $250 to $400 But they dont last. :mad:

My Tps was reading 1. 2v at idle 3. 9v full throttle BUT in between it went to 0v,#@$%! I am toying with a hall effect rotary position sensor, cost me about $50. 00 with shipping. No touching contacts as in the OEM TPS.

will test run this for a few days to check if the CC has come back OK.



Of course if you have a stick then this does nothing for you. :rolleyes:



Canadian Cummins
 
I finally got the time to look at it. Everything was OK, checked connections and vacuum lines. :confused:

I got a can of contact cleaner and sprayed the steering wheel switches as best as I could and it's working again. :p

Eric
 
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