3rd party objective test of Smarty's "undetectable claim"

[CanadianCarGuy]

When I got my AC recharged at the dealer this summer, one of the techs noticed the lift pump was only cycling for half the time as the other 24valves he had worked on. I noticed this too, when you return smarty back to stock, the lift doesn't even cycle for a second, before the smarty it would cycle for over a second. I said it was the FASS lift pump anyway, so he immediately forgot about it. That is about the only thing that I noticed; otherwise, completely undetectable.

 

[Bob4x4]

When I got my AC recharged at the dealer this summer, one of the techs noticed the lift pump was only cycling for half the time as the other 24valves he had worked on. I noticed this too, when you return smarty back to stock, the lift doesn't even cycle for a second, before the smarty it would cycle for over a second. I said it was the FASS lift pump anyway, so he immediately forgot about it. That is about the only thing that I noticed; otherwise, completely undetectable.

I don't think that is a result of the smarty directly :-laf What happens is that you got a more current software (Dodge) when you loaded the Smarty,it will always give you the improved fetures that Dodge provides,Hi idle etc. modified pump stategies is another.



Bob

 

[JasonCzerak]

I don't think that is a result of the smarty directly :-laf What happens is that you got a more current software (Dodge) when you loaded the Smarty,it will always give you the improved fetures that Dodge provides,Hi idle etc. modified pump stategies is another.



Bob

And right now, that's the only dead giveaway. If their records show you with older software and you show up with new stuff. They have a good reason to suspect foul play.

 

[MeritBadge]

Who cares?? I wouldn't give two I TRIED TO BY-PASS THE CUSSING FILTER$ if it was detectable or not... these things are AWESOME!!!



You forfeit all rights no matter what you install, don't like it... don't do it.

 

[Bob4x4]

Who cares?? I wouldn't give two I TRIED TO BY-PASS THE CUSSING FILTER$ if it was detectable or not... these things are AWESOME!!!



You forfeit all rights no matter what you install, don't like it... don't do it.

Short and sweet :-laf



Bob

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

Who cares?? I wouldn't give two I TRIED TO BY-PASS THE CUSSING FILTER$ if it was detectable or not... these things are AWESOME!!!



You forfeit all rights no matter what you install, don't like it... don't do it.

Well, yeah, all that may be true, but this thread is about the original poster and HIS concerns - not yours...

 

[CUMMINZ]

Smarter than your average BEAR

 

[KAlder]

When I worked at our local dealership, usually they came in for problems, so first thing was to check for codes. Now usually, when there was a customer that reloaded stock settings, I could always tell because most programmers when you change tunes or settings, erase codes. I would check for DTC's and would get a screen that says NO DTCs 2 STARTS SINCE RESET. That was always my clue. The counter has a maximum value of like, 498, so that is usually what I saw. If you tell them that you just put in new batteries or was just jump started, "You might check the batteries too, it was dead as a doornail, and I had to jump it to get it here. "

 

[JasonCzerak]

Well, yeah, all that may be true, but this thread is about the original poster and HIS concerns - not yours...

I got about 4000miles to go before 100,000. Then again. I think I may have that wording my warranty book that I technically have a warranty till 136,000...



KAlder, it's not illegal or against warranty to get your own Scanner from AutoZone or any other auto parts store and reset your own codes. So that basis for argument is 100% garbage.

 

[KAlder]

I'm not saying I could prove it in court, but when a truck comes in with gauges, exhaust, an intake kit, velcro on the PDC, and the counter is at zero- it's pretty obvious.

I didn't care if someone had a downloader or chip or what ever, I loved working on these trucks, especially from a performance standpoint.

I'm just saying that a good technician that KNOWS hows to use the scanner as a tool can detect it, not by a "ghost code" or counters or any ONE thing- but the information as a whole. The manufacturers of these performance add ons are too smart to let thier product be detected that easily.

One thing to bring up, does any the "non detectables" offer to replace your warranty when it is detected and your warranty is taken away?



"KAlder, it's not illegal or against warranty to get your own Scanner from AutoZone or any other auto parts store and reset your own codes. So that basis for argument is 100% garbage. "



That is why I added the little thing about replacing or jumping your batteries- its not illegal to unhook your battery cables either.

 

[Bob4x4]

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That is why I added the little thing about replacing or jumping your batteries- its not illegal to unhook your battery cables either.

Disconnecting batteries has not worked for quite a few years now :-laf:-laf



Bob

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

One thing to bring up, does any the "non detectables" offer to replace your warranty when it is detected and your warranty is taken away?

OOHHhhhhh - that's a good one - how about it Marco or Bob - wanna put yer money where yer mouth is? :-laf:-laf

 

[Hammer]

You forfeit all rights no matter what you install, don't like it... don't do it.

I am amazed at how an owner can feel his warranty should still be intact when they knowingly made changes that would void it from the manufacturers point of view. They know the slippery slope they are driving on when they make those changes so why not man up and not hide behind the old "I didn't make any changes Lie".



If you want your warranty,leave it stock. .

If you become your own warranty station,then BOMB on... ..... Andy

 

[JasonCzerak]

I am amazed at how an owner can feel his warranty should still be intact when they knowingly made changes that would void it from the manufacturers point of view. They know the slippery slope they are driving on when they make those changes so why not man up and not hide behind the old "I didn't make any changes Lie".



If you want your warranty,leave it stock. .

If you become your own warranty station,then BOMB on... ..... Andy

Your right, and your wrong.



*yaaawwwn*. . We've all heard this 10000000's of times... And is not the point of the thread.



The point is here is to credit or discredit the all mighty Smarty's ability to fool the MFG. In IT, it's done all the time, weather it's right or not, it's done.



Lemme put this in different more car guy terms.



It's wrong to steal someones truck, but your just are stupid if you leave the keys in it, running, windows down and a sign "take me, I won't tell".



I'm testing Bob's and Marco's "take me, I won't tell" sign.

 

[DGStrate]

I am amazed at how an owner can feel his warranty should still be intact when they knowingly made changes that would void it from the manufacturers point of view. They know the slippery slope they are driving on when they make those changes so why not man up and not hide behind the old "I didn't make any changes Lie".



If you want your warranty,leave it stock. .

If you become your own warranty station,then BOMB on... ..... Andy

And I think the other thing that needs to be said is that if you BOMB away and something fails that is TOTALLY UNRELATED to the mods that you made, why should you have to forfeit the entire vehicle warranty (as we all have heard that SOME dealers have done)???



This may be where the "undetectable" part of SMARTY comes in... If I BOMB away and my power seat fails, I fully expect it will be fixed, as long as when installing a mod, I did not short it out, cut a wire, etc etc etc...



We are all walking on very tentative turf when it comes to balancing our warranties versus mods/bombs versus Chrysler's policies...



So Who would want the hassle of it??? Undetectable is better for these reasons... less headaches with the dealer - period.



I look forward to the results of the testing!!

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

I am amazed at how an owner can feel his warranty should still be intact when they knowingly made changes that would void it from the manufacturers point of view. They know the slippery slope they are driving on when they make those changes so why not man up and not hide behind the old "I didn't make any changes Lie".



If you want your warranty,leave it stock. .

If you become your own warranty station,then BOMB on... ..... Andy

Well, now that this thread subject has stagnated until actual results roll in, and is meanwhile hijacked - I personally and fully agree to the above as it applies to all associated aspects to a truck that can be affected by additions or modifications made by the owner. And for that matter, I have little doubt but what most owners wold do the same if they were sitting on the maker's side of the desk!



Why should ANY auto make be held liable when arbitrary "field changes" and "owner reengineering" are done way out of the maker's recommendations and authorization?



*I* sure as Hell wouldn't - NOR do I expect it from the maker...



Sure, I've made changes to my truck related to power increases pretty much from day one - and accepted TOTAL responsibility and liability for them, but at the same time, had a passenger side mirror, and a vacuum pump seal changed under warranty - no problem, and unrelated to my engine mods. SO, when my VP-44 failed while under warranty, *I* ate the cost, while my brother in law with the exact same UN-modded truck took his in and received a warranty replacement for his.



As far as I am concerned THAT is the way it SHOULD be!

 

[KAlder]

All I'm saying is that I think, If you gave me 5 identical trucks, all with different driving styles, 1 that was programed back to stock, the other 4 that have always been stock, with a DRBIII or a StarScan, I could tell you which one had the smarty. Could I come up with enough to get your warranty voided?- Probably not.



"Disconnecting batteries has not worked for quite a few years now"



Keep em unhooked long enough it'll clear em. :-laf



Not tryin to wind anyone up just my $. 02

 

[Bob4x4]

All I'm saying is that I think, If you gave me 5 identical trucks, all with different driving styles, 1 that was programed back to stock, the other 4 that have always been stock, with a DRBIII or a StarScan, I could tell you which one had the smarty. Could I come up with enough to get your warranty voided?- Probably not.



"Disconnecting batteries has not worked for quite a few years now"



Keep em unhooked long enough it'll clear em. :-laf



Not tryin to wind anyone up just my $. 02

I am calling bs... ... ..... be very specific . I use the starscan and drb. Flat out you are wrong.

I don't care how long the batteries are disconnected on a 3rd gen the code will still be there... ... ... if the controller is still alive



Bob

 

[Hammer]

Well Jason...

We are still all waiting to hear about your test???????

 

[JFaulkner]

Well Jason...

We are still all waiting to hear about your test???????

X2! Enough with all the "what if" crap. I'm only slightly interested to know. I just like a lot of people on this site have FAR too many mods to worry about "key cycles" or "fuel used". As I've said before you could void my warranty before they ever got the scan tool near the truck. But I would like to know what the guy that said he "could detect it" actually found out. I think I already know the answer. A big fat NO.