6.7 Poll

[2Bear]

Howdy all,



I'm a new member and this is my first post.

I've never owned a diesel, so I'm ignorant, and now I'm tryin' ta git edukated (hmm).



Powerstroke and Duramax don't impress ( mileage, complexity, problems )

so its Dodge or nuttin' !



Am considering buying a 6. 7 this coming spring - but from what I've been reading here on TDR -

it all leaves me a little less than inspired ( Reliability, Service and fuel mileage issues ).



I'm getting ready to move back to Wyoming this year and the last thing I need in

sub-zero temps and beaucoup miles to the nearest dealer -

is an unreliable truck sending me mil codes all the time.



I am wondering why there isn't a "Poll or Survey" feature here on TDR

( that I see on other boards that I've been on ) ?

Seems like a good polling feature would be a high priority.

Maybe there is one and I just haven't seen it ?



I would like to see a POLL of all of TDR's 6. 7 owners to see what

the satisfaction level really is with these new trucks.

Scale of 1 to 10 ... ... where the biggest complaint is... . etc.



Wouldn't you ? ... ..... Wouldn't Dodge ? ( only if they had a brain ).



I've been reading here about guys who like their 6. 7's - and guys who hate em -

but I can't get a feel for what the real ratio is.



Just tryin' to make a tough decision.



Ray K

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[PaulWatkins]

I too am new to the diesel world. I have been a Ford guy forever but I could not see myself buying a new Ford diesel after the stories I've read with the 6. 0 and poor mpg figures with the new 6. 4L. The new Chebbys and somewhat the GMC's are butt ugly and don't have the payload I needed. What led me to Dodge was the normal opening quad cab doors. I needed a long bed and I didn't need the room of a crew cab anymore so a long bed extended cab would be perfect. Ford and GM use suicide rear doors and after owning a F150 back in the 90's I knew I didn't want those type of doors. So I read all I could on the 6. 7L and decided to roll the dice. So far in 11,500 miles I've had one CEL that lasted a cpl days. That's it!! Love the truck and the power. My brother in law bought one a week after I did and he has had a few CEL's but the dealer has been very good at getting his fixed. He has over 20,000 miles on his.

 

[Garlic]

I'm a first time CTD owner but have worked on them since they were introduced (Ferd's and Chebby's diesels too).

CTD's are still the easiest (IMO) to work on and the most reliable. Here in New Mexico they are still cheaper than the others. I really enjoy mine and have only had a few issues that were taken care of promptly. MPG - can't complain after 170K with an 8l. V-10 or 100K with a carbed 454. Love the ride and style. The Grand kids love the leather, The Hot Air Balloon pilot loves the heated seats this time of year.

 

[HBarlow]

2Bear:



To put the issue in perspective, thousands of satisfied owners are not posting complaints. There are a few unhappy owners of early 2007. 5 trucks. Only a small handful are reporting complaints and at least a few of them are using their new trucks for short trips such as commuting to work which might contribute to problems.



All Class 8 over the road tractors pulling 80,000 lbs. gross and more are powered by in-line six cylinder engines, many by Cummins engines.



I've put over 550,000 essentially trouble free miles on two Dodge Rams, an '01 HO 6 speed and my present '06.



During the recent almost three year period I pulled trailers as an RV transporter. I can tell you that the majority of RV transporters drive Cummins powered Dodges and an even greater percentage of the transporters who have been doing it for a few years own Dodges. One of our TDR members, GAmes, also a transporter, has about 600,000 miles on a 1995 Dodge Ram. I personally know another transporter and long-time personal friend who put 930k on a '95 before he retired it. You can find lots of Dodges used by hotshotters and transporters who have put between 500k and 1,000,000 miles on a Dodge-Cummins.



The longevity and reliability of the 6. 7 ISB is yet unknown but I'm putting my money on them continuing to be the most reliable, durable, powerful, and economical of the choices. I recently ordered a 2008 3500 cab and chassis.



No automobile or truck is likely to be perfect and likewise, no newly introduced product as complex as the requirements of the new emission standards make them is likely to be perfect initially.



Harvey

 

[2Rowdy]

Love mine, nuff said.

 

[JCleary]

Keep in mind there are tons of satisfied customers with their 6. 7's that never say a thing on any website. People with problems do research on the internet and end up posting on forums like this one...



I think the 6. 7 is a good motor, and kind of wish I got one instead of my '07 5. 9...

 

[Grizzly]

Howdy all,

I'm a new member and this is my first post.

I've never owned a diesel, so I'm ignorant, and now I'm tryin' ta git edukated (hmm).

Powerstroke and Duramax don't impress ( mileage, complexity, problems )

so its Dodge or nuttin' !

Am considering buying a 6. 7 this coming spring - but from what I've been reading here on TDR -

it all leaves me a little less than inspired ( Reliability, Service and fuel mileage issues ).

I'm getting ready to move back to Wyoming this year and the last thing I need in

sub-zero temps and beaucoup miles to the nearest dealer -

is an unreliable truck sending me mil codes all the time.

I am wondering why there isn't a "Poll or Survey" feature here on TDR

( that I see on other boards that I've been on ) ?

Seems like a good polling feature would be a high priority.

Maybe there is one and I just haven't seen it ?

I would like to see a POLL of all of TDR's 6. 7 owners to see what

the satisfaction level really is with these new trucks.

Scale of 1 to 10 ... ... where the biggest complaint is... . etc.

Wouldn't you ? ... ..... Wouldn't Dodge ? ( only if they had a brain ).

I've been reading here about guys who like their 6. 7's - and guys who hate em -

but I can't get a feel for what the real ratio is.

Just tryin' to make a tough decision.

Ray K

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Welcome to TDR. Consider a slightly used Dodge with a 5. 9 Cummins. I'm sure the new 6. 7 is good engine, but if you want peace of mind, better fuel mileage and no emission testing, look for a good used 5. 9.

 

[2Bear]

Good Thoughts all, thanks for the replys.

HBarlow - I take your words to heart - makes sense. I'll probably just have to chew on it for a good while.

Plunking down 50k always gives me a severe case of pause.

 

[BBoling]

Harvey, very concise, straightforward, informative post!

 

[KEpperly]

I like to talk my truck down but i would never be happy with a 5. 9 and 4 speed auto again. I have been in many and driven towing with a 6. 0 ford and 1 duramaxx but nothing pulls like a cummins. the 6 speed auto is a great trans much better then the ford 5 speed could ever be. I like the quiter 6. 7. mine hasn't left me stranded yet i have had mine for 4,800 miles and 8 month Only 1 check engine light till now but dodge isn't going to or need to help with this one. My complaint is with the bad fuel mileage. I think I just fixed it. I would tell you to buy what ever truck you like better and fits your budget better there all good trucks.

 

[TKeeler]

Like I have posted before I love this truck even though it has some quirks that I hope Cummins and DC get figured out soon. Sure I would have liked to seen better fuel mileage but considering I went from a 215hp 1998. 5 Cummins to 350hp and 650 lbs of torque I'm not complaining. This 6 speed automatic is far supperior to the 4 speed that was in the 98. 5 and the exhaust brake is excellent.



At almost 14,000 miles the 2007. 5 hasn't left me stranded yet. In over 130,000 miles the 98. 5 only failed me one time and that was at home when the crank sensor that drives the Tach and tells the computer what to do stopped working and the truck would crank but not start.



I just wish that DC & Cummins were a bit more proactive in providing the owners of these trucks with some information on these DPF systems. This forum has really been the on the only information source.

 

[grasmo]

If you really feel that a truck with a proven track record is important then buy a 5. 9 L. it will pull like heck... . Proven... . And they are reliable ... . Proven... . and the dealerships can fix them... . Proven. My 6. 7 L and most others,are the biggest pain in the rear according to my dealer... . Cass Burch in Quitman, Georgia... . because they can not fix my truck without calling STAR... which i assume is technical support for these Dodge Rams. And even STAR has not been able to provide my dealer with the correct information to fix my truck after umpteen times to the dealer. There have been some people completely satisfied with their trucks so I can only speak for myself but the problems I am having with mine area real problems and it has left me stranded if I did not already have much more important things to do I would lemon law this truck. I have to think of this light heartedly as just a silly truck and hopefully I will not let it make me show out or be ugly. P. S. I have three other 5. 9L and I will not sell them unless somebody begged me to. They really are that good.

 

[TFucili]

2Bear:



To put the issue in perspective, thousands of satisfied owners are not posting complaints. There are a few unhappy owners of early 2007. 5 trucks. Only a small handful are reporting complaints and at least a few of them are using their new trucks for short trips such as commuting to work which might contribute to problems.



All Class 8 over the road tractors pulling 80,000 lbs. gross and more are powered by in-line six cylinder engines, many by Cummins engines.



I've put over 550,000 essentially trouble free miles on two Dodge Rams, an '01 HO 6 speed and my present '06.



During the recent almost three year period I pulled trailers as an RV transporter. I can tell you that the majority of RV transporters drive Cummins powered Dodges and an even greater percentage of the transporters who have been doing it for a few years own Dodges. One of our TDR members, GAmes, also a transporter, has about 600,000 miles on a 1995 Dodge Ram. I personally know another transporter and long-time personal friend who put 930k on a '95 before he retired it. You can find lots of Dodges used by hotshotters and transporters who have put between 500k and 1,000,000 miles on a Dodge-Cummins.



The longevity and reliability of the 6. 7 ISB is yet unknown but I'm putting my money on them continuing to be the most reliable, durable, powerful, and economical of the choices. I recently ordered a 2008 3500 cab and chassis.



No automobile or truck is likely to be perfect and likewise, no newly introduced product as complex as the requirements of the new emission standards make them is likely to be perfect initially.



Harvey

Holy Smokes, Harvey! If you keep posting stuff that I agree with 100%, you are going to put the debate club out of business:-{}

 

[Simplysmn]

all the top 3 have there troubles but IMO dodge has the best record . If you sit and look at how many different engines ford and chevy have gone through in the last 5 yrs then you look at what dodge has stuck with and proven that they can be worked hard daily and rarely break yes we have seen alot of the first run 6. 7 trucks have alot of troubles but from what I have seen its all software related not engines dieing along side the road or headgaskets bolwing its all been minor

I have a 08 and would not trade it for anything .

 

[HBarlow]

Holy Smokes, Harvey! If you keep posting stuff that I agree with 100%, you are going to put the debate club out of business:-{}

Hey, I'm glad you agree with me once in awhile. I'm not a disagreeable *** all the time, only most of the time.



Harvey

 

[klenger]

I believe that the 6. 7s being used in the way Harvey describes would do very well because they are being worked hard and would not go into the passive regen cycle. The problems with low mileage and DPF issues seem to be from those of us who use our trucks as a light commuter vehicle much of the time. I certainly hope that the new trucks are working well, and that Dodge/Cummins gets all the remaining problems figured out soon. I was considering trading my 04. 5 for an 08 to get the 68RE auto, but my 04. 5 will be paid off next month, and has been working perfectly, so I think I'll keep it for a while. Best of luck to all with the 6. 7s (no sarcasm intended).

 

[BHolm]

I have also read the story on the 6. 7 board about the truck running 80 down the highway for hours just before the DPF plugged and shut the truck down. Some of it might be driving style but I really think there are some software issues out there. They do seem to be limited to a few trucks though. The '08s also sound like they are better if not perfect.



Have you seen what they have done under the hood? The routing of exhaust back through the intake worries me. That just can't be good. I am a very happy '06 5. 9 owner. If I lived an hour from the dealer I wouldn't want a 6. 7. Nor would I want it for all of the rural driving I do. Coming back from Gunnison this morning it was 13 below and no cell service for miles around, that could kill you. The 5. 9s are proven, that is what fits my needs best.

 

[HBarlow]

I can't argue with the above. My '06 engine and truck are great. No complaints. It's paid for and I'd be happy to drive it another 100k or even 200k miles. However, the more I use it to pull my own 14,000# fiver the more I hate the lousy Mopar 48RE. Even with a full DTT rebuild done by James Northrum, an excellent TX builder, it grunts and strains to get the load rolling from a stop and never has the right gear until I'm rolling 62 mph with the cruise engaged. It is aggravating to drive fully loaded.



I'm going to take my chances on the DPF and related software to get a great transmission designed for the load.



Harvey

 

[JoelMartin]

This might be one way to look at it. Get a 5. 9, and have to install a DPF in a few years because of emissions. Get a 6. 7, and it already has a DPF on it. Just a thought.

 

[BHolm]

This might be one way to look at it. Get a 5. 9, and have to install a DPF in a few years because of emissions. Get a 6. 7, and it already has a DPF on it. Just a thought.

Since when have they ever made existing vehicles conform to new standards? They will never make you fit a DPF to a 5. 9.



The simple answer to the automatic trans problem is to buy a manual After 4 trucks with the 48re, I LOVE my G56 manual, what was I think all those years?