Thank God - the beginning of the End for Big OIL!!!

[hammersley]

Don't laugh - tvehicles like this will rule the earth very soon... .



Toronto Company Has Electric Car But Our Government Won't Let Them Sell It

 

[JasonCzerak]

So, you DEFER the green house gasses from the car exhaust to increased demand on the electrical grid. If a good number of drivers drive electric, we'll need to increase capacity on the electrical grid and that almost for sure means a few more plants, something that is 10 times more difficult to get past the greenies then a fuel refinery.



It's not the solution to the problem as it still takes COAL to make that thing run. Hello, MC FLY!



I don't get why folks don't see that? It's like smoke out the tail pipe, cuz you can see it it's bad, never mind the retard burning oil though leaky valve stems or dripping it on a header or just dripping oil on the ground.

 

[JasonCzerak]

Tho, the power plants are a bit more efficient and generating energy, the fact that cars like this can not yet travel good distances anymore. If had this one, I'd make it to work, lunch and home. provided I didn't hit any stop and go in either direction I should be able to charge it every night. Should something "come up" that I'd have to make more stops, I'd have to have a gasser or another eclectic car on standby at home.



It's pointless 500mile ranges at 80mph, 100mph top speed and maybe at most 15 minute charge until wide spread adoption HAS to happen before any serious person can use it as a REPLACEMENT.

 

[DCreed]

We already have the tech to make 300 miles @ 65mph with electrics, thats already been/being done. Power plants can run on a variety of fuels and CAN be made to run clean (you'll have to muffle the sounds of profiteers crying) that is just a matter of modern design. But I believe the only true way to gain acceptance is to have interchageable batteries at fuel stations. A type of cartridge battery that can be swapped out (for a fee of course) to make mileage "unlimited". A car can only go as far as it carries fuel, then it must refill. If that fuel is electricity then (like cordless power tools) swap batteries and keep going.

 

[DCreed]

Let me take this a step further. Ever driven through a car wash? A car designed with its battery on the bottom that plugged in vertically like a cordless drill could drive into a car wash pay X-dollars and select "recharge" then the machine could remove and replace the battery wash/wax the car and send you on your way. CRAZY ,RADICAL, OUTRAGIOUS !!! or maybe just too easy?

 

[JasonCzerak]

yeah, I think you are 100% right on the replace batteries and keep going part. that is the ticket. and would solve the time spend "refueling".



I suppose the fact that we have a standard for the end of a nozel for the gas pump, we should have one for the batteries.

 

[DCreed]

yeah, I think you are 100% right on the replace batteries and keep going part. that is the ticket. and would solve the time spend "refueling".



I suppose the fact that we have a standard for the end of a nozel for the gas pump, we should have one for the batteries.

Exactly

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

Pretty good reader debate at the end of the pointed-to article - I thought this one ( as well as several others pointing out that shifting emissions from the tailpipe to a power plant MIGHT not be as "emissions-free as some think!) pretty well covered the issues with that particular electric:

There's so much ignorance on this blog that ther is no point in reading any of the comments. I particularly thought the claim that the oil companies are holding down the top speed was about as naiive and childish a conspiracy theory as one could imagine. There are several reason for putting a governor on an electric car - the usual reason is to meet the regs in which it operates - as a low speed vehicle (which this is classified as in order to be able to operate in many places) means, guess what? THAT IT IS A LOW SPEED VEHICLE. DUH! With those few batteries, I guarantee you that the "top speed" won't allow you to go on any highway.

This vehicle is basically a golf cart which will have very limited usefulness. The claim that it will make an appreciable difference in emissions is pure BS. As to operating expenses, electrics with advanced batteries cost a LOT of money to operate - just ask any EV-1 driver who had to pay $30,000 plus every five years for new batteries. I suspect, however, that this car uses antique lead acid batteries, circa 1900. Most such batteries (basically open cell golf cart batteries) are classified as hazardous materials and cannot be shipped by air. Save yourself a lot of headaches and money and wait until a viable plug-in goes into production. These cars are virtually useless and are totally impractical niche cars that can't take you much of anywhere.

 

[RJWEST]

???? I need a battery for my electric Drill, 74$$$$$

Wonder what the batteries cost on an electric car... .
Or do you throw it away and buy another car.

BUT, ???, Is there a recycling charge like tires ?????
Can't afford to Keep it or throw it away ,
what do you do with an electric car when its Kaput????

Back yard will look like a Ford truck owners, Lot's of rejects...

 

[Dieselnut59]

We (my family business) sell forklifts. Some of the ones we sell are electric. I recently sold some for freezer service with two batteries per lift, and a change out system. The most common practice with an electric forklift is to run the lift for a shift, then charge the battery overnight. When running two shifts, you need two batteries or a lift per shift.

That being said, I have recently sold several clean burning diesel lifts to replace propane and electric lifts. With propane, people hate fooling with changing the tanks of fuel (it can be annoying) and with the electrics, there is the hassle of batteries, charging and swapping.

I would rather see diesel/electric hybrids for cars.

 

[KLockliear]

They just need to come up with the carbon fiber look for solar panels on the roof, hood and trunk, then it can charge all day in the parking lot. Just don't park in a garage.

 

[klenger]

Where's that darn flux capacitor when you need it? Oo.

 

[nickleinonen]

Where's that darn flux capacitor when you need it? Oo.

i'd rather have Mr Fusion... garbage in, power out...

 

[DCreed]

???? I need a battery for my electric Drill, 74$$$$$



Wonder what the batteries cost on an electric car... .

Or do you throw it away and buy another car.



BUT, ???, Is there a recycling charge like tires ?????

Can't afford to Keep it or throw it away ,

what do you do with an electric car when its Kaput????



Back yard will look like a Ford truck owners, Lot's of rejects...

the battery cost is easy to off set when there is no motor or associated parts to buy.

A properly engineered electric car will have a chassis made similar to a nascar without unneeded bracing but without the vibration and torque dampening that a gas car needs. The body would be made of composites and last nearly forever and be ultimately recyclable. tires will still wear out!



We must keep in mind that America in many ways isnt #1 in the car design world. we make "disposable" cars. that is they have a service life, like a built in self destruct timer. Therefore to make a "good" electric car will take fresh thought and ideas from those not driven by pure profit or without the foresight to be sure this one wont be a toxic junkyard filler.

If you've ever seen "Tucker ,a man and his dream" you will know why electrics wont be easy to get in this country.

 

[KHaines]

Build more nuclear plants. Clean cheap fuel. One electric company in our state plans to raise rates by 90%. Electric prices are on the rise.

 

[JFaulkner]

Tho, the power plants are a bit more efficient and generating energy, the fact that cars like this can not yet travel good distances anymore. If had this one, I'd make it to work, lunch and home. provided I didn't hit any stop and go in either direction I should be able to charge it every night. Should something "come up" that I'd have to make more stops, I'd have to have a gasser or another eclectic car on standby at home.



It's pointless 500mile ranges at 80mph, 100mph top speed and maybe at most 15 minute charge until wide spread adoption HAS to happen before any serious person can use it as a REPLACEMENT.

What's wrong with you? Enviro-Nazis don't care about facts. People on here are so blinded by the term "big oil" that they don't realize that if they go to 100% electric car they'll just beeoch about "big power" when they have to buy energy for their car from a power company. It's a cycle that will never end, I guess people just need things to complain about. :-laf

 

[DCreed]

power plants dont have to run on oil! My truck does!

 

[mymtnhauler]

power plants dont have to run on oil! My truck does!

More than 80% of our electric power comes form coal! Ever heard of coal sulfur? If just 5% of our population switched to electric cars, just think how much more energy would be needed! How many tons of sulfur would be puked into the atmosphere per day not just per year!

You say there are fewer parts in an electric car! There are just as many bearings in each wheel, just as many brakes, just as many shocks and springs,! Not to mention the steering and the electric motors! Most electric cars on the market today that have the same or better performance than gas, employ TWO OR MORE motors!

Lets talk batteries! Batteries are affected by altitude and temp! The batteries in my cordless drills have a 50% longer charge in the summer than winter, so that during the winter months when the demand is high for heating our homes, and the batteries for these cars are needing to be charged more often, that means the electric companies have to produce more power, and that means they burn more coal! More coal burned more sulfur in the air!

 

[DCreed]

Mymtnhauler- Again, power plants CAN run on ANYTHING!!! We CAN/DO generate power from clean sources. It comes down to choice and often (all too often) the easy and cheap way is to pollute. If 80% of electric generated is from coal then it is because it is cheap and easy. I'm sure you can think of other things that are cheap and easy and just as unhealthy. But as far as parts in an electric, all it takes is smart engineering, less weight =less inertia =less power to go and stop and collide with so less parts needed to do that. a 4wd really only needs 1 brake perhaps at the tailshaft/tranfercase. watch a monster truck race and count the brakes, only two, and I bet theres a bit of weight there as well. An electric engine has a very few parts whereas a IC engine has quite a few, and many that need maintainance. electrics need no oil, power steering, cooling, muffler/tailpipe, brake fluid, ect. Yes, I do think cold weater is an issue, but I plug in my truck as it is so I dont see that as a real problem. Think of how long we've had cars at all, 100 years? Try to think of todays electics as a model "T" compared to what they CAN do with them!

 

[BSMcCauley]

While we are discussing the source of the energy to push our rigs down the road, and setting aside for the moment the issue of the usefulness of a typical electric or hybrid vehicle to most folks on this forum, let's not forget the piles of pollution that electric car is responsible for. There was a study done by the Central Connecticut State University (look it up for yourself at: The Recorder) that found that "Building a Toyota Prius causes more environmental damage than a Hummer that is on the road for three times longer than a Prius. " A large part of the electric car's environmental problem stems from the manufacture and disposal of those pesky batteries.



Now, if can set aside the environmental and energy efficiency debate and get back to PERFORMANCE,Oo. check out the electric sports car at Tesla Motors. An electric car that folks would actually WANT: 0-60 in < 4 sec, 125 mph top end, 220 miles on a charge, and full re-charge in 3. 5 hrs. Dare I say an electric car that would actually be FUN to drive??:-laf:-laf Now if they can just do something about that $98,000 base price... ... .