P2262 revisited

[MullenaxM]

As of right now the warranty on a ECM reflash ( Reprogram ) is covered under the 5yr/100k Mile 6. 7 liter Diesel Emissions warranty. Harvey as far as the Dealer you went to that said the it was not covered under Warranty, They were Mis-informed. If you want to come over to the East side of the State I will be More than glad to Flash your ECM for you. FREE, No Charge, No strings attached. As far as that goes anybody that wants to come the same offer applies!!! Any 2007,2008,2009, 6. 7 liter , Bring it!!

You can E-mail me at:

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Unlike some Dealers I want and appreciate your business.



RVTRKN, As far as your flash experience goes, Just from reading your post, I think your may have a underlying problem causing your throttle problem. You might want to have a cylinder performance test run. I suspect you might have a injector sticking or leaking issue.



As I stated in a previous post in this thread I truly believe that this latest and greatest flash will cure a lot of issues, mainly the P2262 issue.



If you noticed in the first sentence of this post I stated "As of right now" There are some changes coming ...



More Later...



Mike

 

[HBarlow]

Mike,

Thanks for the offer. I sent an e-mail to your address. I didn't know you are a fellow Texan.

 

[HBarlow]

I think Mike was uncertain if it was okay to post his own dealer's name and address out of concern that someone might accuse him of trying to get some free advertising on TDR.

I don't work for his dealer or receive any compensation so I will.

Elder Dodge,Chrysler,Jeep
1798 E. Hwy. 31
Athens Texas 75751
Ph. # 903-677-2292

Mike sounds like a very knowledgeable Dodge-Cummins tech to me and I like his attitude. I don't see anything wrong with posting the name and address of a friendly dealer who offers good service. Moderators, please slap my hand if I'm doing something wrong.

I plan to take a trip over to Athens after my wife and I return from her two week vacation in early July and let Mike do a reflash on my truck. Other Texas Dodge-Cummins owners may also appreciate knowing a good Dodge dealership where a fellow TDR member works as a diesel tech.

 

[MullenaxM]

Thanks Harvey, If there's a slap'n coming I'll Take It !!! :{



Mike

 

[RVTRKN]

RVTRKN, As far as your flash experience goes, Just from reading your post, I think your may have a underlying problem causing your throttle problem. You might want to have a cylinder performance test run. I suspect you might have a injector sticking or leaking issue.

Thank you for your insight, I have mentioned this to my tech and he does not think that is an issue, however, he said if I was will to bring it in he would do a cylinder performance test. I think it is due for maintenance, so I will have it done. I hope that is what it is, but I don't think so. It makes since that they manipulate the RPM to produce less soot, thats what happens when you let computers do the work for you. They replaced the pedal sensor when it first started doing it, just a day or two after the ECM flash, but it didn't change anything. It only does it when I do a lot city driving, being that I use it as a service truck in the summer, I don't get to drive it hard and I make an extra effort to take it out for a long drive.

 

[MullenaxM]

Just so you will know, A "Cylinder Performance Test" is a diagnostic test we can run with the Scan Tool that shows how much each cylinder is contributing to the over-all performance of the engine. It will show a percentage for each cylinder, With 100% being good for each cylinder. If I suspect a injector is a problem and no trouble codes have been set, This is the first test I will run, But, This is not a all-inclusive test. Most of the time a faulty or sticking injector will show in the 80% range.





Mike

 

[HBarlow]

I think the cylinder performance test is an excellent way to get a snapshot view of how well a Cummins engine is performing. I paid my favorite dealership to have one done on my '06 when it had over 200k miles on it and was 100% original. The test revealed that all injectors were in excellent shape, cylinders were operating at high percentages of power and nearly even, the truck had been operated very little at extreme high power levels even though I was towing heavy with it almost daily, and showed something like 2% idle time even though I idled it a lot. The local lie, cheat, and steal dealer's tech refused to perform any actual testing on the truck and, in writing, encouraged me to use fuel additives Cummins advises owners not to use. A Cummins dealer told me to replace all the injectors! I bought and had my friend install an FCA and the odd fuel rattle and occasioinal rough idle disappeared. It was $150 well spent.

 

[Austin Diesel]

Mike I need to talk to you about my issue with fuel dilution in my 08 6. 7 ? i posted a thread about what is going on with my truck and what are the letters for the newest ECM flash ?

I think i am about one ECM flash back on all that from my turbo install.



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I need to call you about all this i am in Austin and wish to get this resolved .



Thanks



Austin Diesel

 

[MullenaxM]

Austin, The latest flash for your 08, 6. 7 will have the "AS" suffix. I have been following your posts on the other thread. There seems to be a bunch of mis-information flying around about regenerations. The information sheet that you have inserted in your post is a "STAR CENTER" case solution information sheet that is available to any dodge dealership Technician. The oil dilution problem has been a on-going problem that was first noticed shortly after the first 07. 5 pick-ups hit the streets.



Althought I would be glad to talk to you on the phone, I feel that since this is a on-going problem with a number of TDR members trucks, I think that the best venue for the answer to your questions is this web-site. That way everybody might benefit from the answers. Also I get phone calls all the time from other technicians and other shops and sometimes there is not enough time for me to answer all the questions.



Before I can answer your questions I think the Regeneration process needs to be explained because it plays a big roll in the cause of your oil dilution problem. Once the regeneration process is explained I feel you will better understand the causes of, and the solutions to the problem.



I told Harvey I would start a thread and explain the regeneration process ,the reason I have not written the post yet is I have been asked to write a article on the regeneration process by two other magazines.



With that said, First I will Start another thread and explain the regeneration process and then I will come back to here and try to answer your questions if Thats okey with you. I'll try to get it done this weekend.



Mike

 

[Austin Diesel]

This is a lot to interpret and i hope to stay up with all this we have a lot of intelligent readers here and the answers seem to come to those who are thorough enough to go to the point of research and my dealer knows i participate in this knowledge base and trys to give me the official and unofficial results from the day to day issues and operations at his dealership about 6. 7's and he is honest about it all too.



Im not alone in these problems and as a group we can resolve them collectivly , Ive been wrenchin on vehicles since i was in high school but this is really a whole nother level of stuff for a brand new vehicle that I wish was more troublefree and unrestricted like the 5. 9.



AS Flash tomorrow at the big city dealership hope it goes well its a long drive to la grange from austin to my purchasing dealership and it burns a day ,so ill try to stay closer and see if the city dealership can be proactive and competant ?



Austin Diesel

 

[Austin Diesel]

I visited the nearby "lie, cheat, and steal" Dodge dealership today, the one I have driven past for 17 years to buy three Dodge Rams and a Chrysler 300C from an honest dealer in another town.



I talked with the service writer who is a nice guy, former convenience store manager, who perfectly fits the definition of "clueless. " He paged the "good" diesel tech out of two for me and I was able to talk direct with the tech about a software reflash on my truck. As expected, he wasn't familiar with the recent Cummins bulletin advising owners to have the latest reflash done but was willing to do it. When asked about a charge he told me the truck, a year old with 47,000 miles is "out of warranty" and told me the charge would be at least $85. A minute later in the same conversation he told me to bring it in, "it will only take about 1/2 hour. " I guess he figures the labor rate at $170/hr.



I learned this dealer's operating style years ago and decided then I won't buy cars or trucks from that particular store so why would I expect them to treat me with honesty on a warranty software update recommended by the engine manufacturer?



I guess I'll hold the request for a reflash until I'm in the mood to travel 300 miles and spend a night at the town where I buy trucks.



Am I misinterpreting the bulletin from Cummins posted in another thread or do I misunderstand the engine warranty? Last time I looked at my owner's manual I thought it indicated the Cummins engine is covered for 5 years and 100k miles.



I'd appreciate being corrected if I am wrong.

Just went to the big city dealer and they handled the reflash from for the 08 6. 7 "AR to AS". They put the updated PCM sticker on the hood denoting the current ECM flash at no charge.

signed, dated, and initialed etc. .



PCM # 62350435 this is right off the new hood sticker on tuesday 6/29/09



Dodge PN# 42745086-AB Description: LABEL /label part #



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They asked what was wrong, and said oil levels in crankcase were rising and was hoping to correct regen issues, then looked at the 2nd service writer and made him write reflash ECM from AR to CURRENT "AS" software update on the garage ticket for my 08 2500,.

He had no idea what i was requesting ,



These service writers are only familiar with gas motored vehicles and have no idea of the engineering complexity of the 6. 7 and or very little background training on the technical service issues of this engine.



They said no codes or faults were stored also,



Austin Diesel

 

[Bob4x4]

In June The new Dodge came out with a bulletin that customers may now get all the free updates without having an issue as long as they are under 3/36. The catch is they only pay about half of what they used to. After 3/36 the labor op must be covered under one of the many warranty types,If there is a Tsb that covers it.

 

[pwr2tow]

Would this AS flash be worth getting on my February build 2009 since the AS flash came out in March?

I started another thread asking this question but maybe it would be better asked here instead since this thread already pertains to the flash AS.

 

[sabersix]

Would this AS flash be worth getting on my February build 2009 since the AS flash came out in March?



I started another thread asking this question but maybe it would be better asked here instead since this thread already pertains to the flash AS.

Each model year has a different level of flash (e. g. 2007 - BA, 2008 - AS, and 2009 - AJ). The increase sequentially by model year as they come out with new versions, so the 2007 has presumably gone from AA-AZ and is now starting with BA. The 2008 is only had AA-AS. You get the idea.



You need the AJ flash. My truck was also built in Feb 2009 and came with the AC version. I'd recommend getting the new flash.

 

[pwr2tow]

Each model year has a different level of flash (e. g. 2007 - BA, 2008 - AS, and 2009 - AJ). The increase sequentially by model year as they come out with new versions, so the 2007 has presumably gone from AA-AZ and is now starting with BA. The 2008 is only had AA-AS. You get the idea.

You need the AJ flash. My truck was also built in Feb 2009 and came with the AC version. I'd recommend getting the new flash.

Thanks man, I got caught up in the AS flash in this thread. Thanks for making it clear which flash I needed.

 

[pwr2tow]

Each model year has a different level of flash (e. g. 2007 - BA, 2008 - AS, and 2009 - AJ). The increase sequentially by model year as they come out with new versions, so the 2007 has presumably gone from AA-AZ and is now starting with BA. The 2008 is only had AA-AS. You get the idea.

You need the AJ flash. My truck was also built in Feb 2009 and came with the AC version. I'd recommend getting the new flash.

I should of asked in my other post but did you notice anything different with the new AJ flash?

 

[sabersix]

I should of asked in my other post but did you notice anything different with the new AJ flash?

I had the dealer flash it prior to delivery on June 4th, so I hadn't driven it with the AC flash.



Based on my experience with my 2007 which I had flashed 5 or 6 times, I never noticed any difference. I don't think you'll notice any difference, but maybe you'll not notice a ***CEL*** with the new flash.



I've been fairly proactive with keeping my truck(s) updated with the latest flash. My feeling is that Dodge is putting it out there for a reason, so I'm gonna have the latest.



Others feel that if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Your truck, your decision...

 

[pwr2tow]

Appointment made for 1230 Friday to have update flash and high idle enabled. Cann't believe they don't enable this from the factory especially since it helps with warm up and soot problems.

 

[DieselLady]

I agree with HBarlow, great thread, except I WANT you to keep up the technical speach. I understand it better when it is thoroughly explained. To simple sometimes leaves out too much. Thanks Mike.

 

[MullenaxM]

Thanks D-Lady, I have been accused of taking a short story and making it long at times... ...



I also would like to thank all the people here who called me and also E-Mailed (There were alot) If I have not answered your E-mail yet, I will shortly.



Still working on my "When Stuff Goes Wrong" Thread. Should be done this weekend.



Mike