2010 Dodge 2500 vs 2011 Ford F250

[domehead]

ok I guess I am full of crap, my truck has had stock wheels and tires from day one, I am not the only one who has ball joint or u joint problems, do some reading in the 3rd gen forums for a while. I would say it is infact a common problem many people have had it worse than I.



read this link, scroll all the way to the bottom and you will see what I am talking about with the ball joints.



QUAD 4 x4



most shops want 1200 or more to replace these, when you have to stroke the that check remember you said I was just a whiner.

Cummins Cowboy,



We tried to help you on the thrid Gen fourm and you said back when you where going get another truck have or have you not. Either way fix what you have and move on or find another truck and move on. All trucks big or small if used as a truck will have a problem or two or even more. You are not stuck this truck that you so much dislike either you enjoy feeling sorry for your self or just need to cry to everyone how bad dodges are.



At this point we all see that you have no point to make and when you purchase a 4 gen please let us knowat that time how it compares.



As the old saying is either go or get off the pot. (and not the type you smoke)



Have a good one best of luck with what every you decdie on

 

[retirednak]

Please feel free to turn your "flag" upside down and insert the flagpole in the orifice of your choice. You are free to disagree with me anytime you wish but not to insult me or my mechanic friends with your adolescent accusation.



I truthfully reported my own experience which is a total of well over 600,000 miles on three Dodges and I have never, that's NEVER replaced a single front steering or suspension part.



My mechanic friends had no reason to withhold information or to report false information. One of them left the Dodge dealership several years ago and the other one had submitted his two week notice when they were at my place. Neither of them works in a Dodge dealership or any dealership now. Neither one of them owns a Dodge truck.

Why are you taking things so personal. We should be able to disagree on this forum without somebody getting all pissy.



If one lived in this area,they could stop by at either dealership and see at least 2 pickups in for steering/front end problems at any time. My brother who worked at one of the dealers in the parts dept,couldn't keep enough parts in stock due to all the recalls and with people wanting to up grade to the newest steering/suspension parts. Even after trucks coming back with troubles after the upgrades,he decided to go aftermarket on his truck at 80K miles to cure the death wobble. His '07 is a completely stock truck that has seen 0 off roading,but does get worked pulling his 5th wheel all year long.



Perhaps since we use 4x4 7 months out of the year,our front ends need repair more often. But I don't think that's the case since there are so many people with front end problems on this forum and other forums.



You must be one of the few lucky owners that haven't had to deal with the same front end weakness.

 

[HBarlow]

Yes, you are correct. You should be and are able to disagree with or present your own opinions that counter mine. I don't react to those who disagree with me. We can agree to disagree. Your opinion and your experience may very well be different than my own.

However, your comment that my opinion or that of my friends was bullxxxx was nothing more than a rude insult.

 

[Cummins Cowboy]

Yes, you are correct. You should be and are able to disagree with or present your own opinions that counter mine. I don't react to those who disagree with me. We can agree to disagree. Your opinion and your experience may very well be different than my own.

However, your comment that my opinion or that of my friends was bullxxxx was nothing more than a rude insult.

don't put your head in the sand, hbarlow, my experience mirrors the guy from alaska, lets face it your experience with dodges are driving 2 wheel drive trucks on the interstate. totally different than what us 4x4 guys are seeing. 2 wheel drive trucks are worthless where I live, the only ones you see on the road are out of state around here. its evident you didn't read the quad 4x4 sites article on dodge ball joints. also go read the 3rd gen no engine trans forum, last time I visited there, there was another ball joint thread at the top. I put new ball joints in at 45k miles, you could grab the tire and feel movement. now again my tires are wearing funny. likely I have ball joint problems AGAIN, at 88k miles. some of us can't keep the truck from falling apart. of those 88k miles I think maybe 2k of those have been on dirt roads, the rest have been paved roads. my 02 did just fine with the way I drove it, other than having slow steering and feeling like a wore our school bus the components themselves didn't give me a lick of trouble. so its not me being hard on the truck. last TDR mag I looked at had an article in it that talked about the much improved steering of the 3rd gens but at the cost of ball joint life. I don't believe in big tires or lifts I fun factory sized tires. 3RD GENS ARE RIPE WITH FRONT END PROBLEMS BELIEVE IT. the point is the 4th gens have the same parts and design, its your money but don't say I didn't warn you.

the problem I have is all these parts should be 100k mile parts instead they are more like 30k parts now. someone said just get a new truck. I would but I don't want something that gets less fuel mileage and has even more pollution controls, also my truck is almost paid for. I am sick of a truck payment and wanted to drive the truck for a few years with no payments, but I can tell you if the injectors are worn out, the truck is going down the road, I am not sinking another 4 grand into it. I guess I am just ****** off this truck has been such a hunk of junk and yeah I need to vent it.

 

[notron46]

dodge repairs

My 05,3500. 4x4,6spd has 115k on it and the only problem I've had is with the u joints. Dodge replaced one at 66k and at 108k I had to replace it again. I tow a 5th wheel rv and was wondering if the weight on the truck pushing the rear down a little causes the drive line to change its angle enough to cause the u joint to ware prematurely. ?????????????

 

['strokeThis_'07]

My 03 has 110k on it, NEVER had a frontend problem. I dont think its ever been aligned and it goes down the road straight as an arrow.



My 07 has almost 80k on it, NEVER had a frontend problem, and I know for a fact its never been aligned. Still tracks down the road straight as an arrow; at 30 as well as well over legal speeds (like 90... )



The 03 has always been on stock-sized tires. The 07 had stock-size the first 64k, and last year it got 33s. Here this summer it will get 33 or 35s on 20s. And I dont expect to see an issue then either. I know numerous people that have anywhere from stock to 37in rubber with nary a problem.



All I hear is the stories about Dodge and their "horrible" frontends. I tend to lean more to these stories are generally just that, stories.

 

[Slow Six]

No they are not just stories. I've had all the front end problems that you hear about. I use this truck but it is also serviced regularily. Death wobble scares the hell out of you the first time it happens and could lead to a dangerous situation. The first time I had it I was passing a semi and had to pull over to side of highway and go hard on the brakes to slow down enough for the wobble to stop. This really impressed the trucker. Could be even worse in multi lanes of fast moving traffic. My ball joints have had to be changed and I've had all the u joints go. I have not ranted and raged about these things, I have spent a lot of money on repairs to remedy the situation and now I have one of the best steering trucks I have ever owned. I agree that I should not have to do these repairs but the other trucks have their problems, some of them the same and others common to the brand. I'm hoping to get a new 2010 or 2011 and I'll probably have to fix some of the same problems again but at least the engine and transmission will be reliable.

 

[HBarlow]

don't put your head in the sand, hbarlow, my experience mirrors the guy from alaska, lets face it your experience with dodges are driving 2 wheel drive trucks on the interstate. totally different than what us 4x4 guys are seeing. 2 wheel drive trucks are worthless where I live, the only ones you see on the road are out of state around here. its evident you didn't read the quad 4x4 sites article on dodge ball joints. also go read the 3rd gen no engine trans forum, last time I visited there, there was another ball joint thread at the top. I put new ball joints in at 45k miles, you could grab the tire and feel movement. now again my tires are wearing funny. likely I have ball joint problems AGAIN, at 88k miles. some of us can't keep the truck from falling apart. of those 88k miles I think maybe 2k of those have been on dirt roads, the rest have been paved roads. my 02 did just fine with the way I drove it, other than having slow steering and feeling like a wore our school bus the components themselves didn't give me a lick of trouble. so its not me being hard on the truck. last TDR mag I looked at had an article in it that talked about the much improved steering of the 3rd gens but at the cost of ball joint life. I don't believe in big tires or lifts I fun factory sized tires. 3RD GENS ARE RIPE WITH FRONT END PROBLEMS BELIEVE IT. the point is the 4th gens have the same parts and design, its your money but don't say I didn't warn you.

the problem I have is all these parts should be 100k mile parts instead they are more like 30k parts now. someone said just get a new truck. I would but I don't want something that gets less fuel mileage and has even more pollution controls, also my truck is almost paid for. I am sick of a truck payment and wanted to drive the truck for a few years with no payments, but I can tell you if the injectors are worn out, the truck is going down the road, I am not sinking another 4 grand into it. I guess I am just ****** off this truck has been such a hunk of junk and yeah I need to vent it.

Some vehicle owners and drivers could damage an anvil or wrecking ball.

My '08 cab and chassis uses Ram four wheel drive front end components. It has about 74,000 miles on the odometer. Still as tight as the day I bought it off the transport truck.

 

[JMetzger]

I have 95,000 on my 02 & nothing has been changed as of yet & I use the 4 wheel drive quite a bit. 70% of these miles are trailer towing.

 

[CBlack]

While not an apples to apples comparison, you will never see a Furd do this...

From the 12V forum

 

[EricBu12]

Cummins Cowboy

Just read all of these posts. . Saw the ball joint in the Quad 4x4 site. . I have a 09 3500 4x4 now. You might have seen my old 01 with the 19. 5" Tires for towing. . I still have these. My new truck has 8000 miles on it and I am about to do my first tow to May Madness.

I sympathize with all your problems and although Dodge and ford and Chevy have their problems, most companies will make the cheapest part they can get away with. .

When I got my old '01, I saw the Exhaust manifold was a very light cast piece. Got the 3 piece manifold because it was the same as the over the road diesels. Didn't have to do it, just did it to prevent problems. . I also had to replace the U-Joints. . got better ones that were greasable. . Then had the 53 block, cracked the water jacket, rebuilt the engine, rebuilt the 5600 transmission, had the bad track bar with the ball joint. . got the 3rd gen style with the bracket conversion and the Steering stabalizer. Did this last thing as an add on to the track bar problem... latest thing was replaced the Transfer case because of stripped gear or spline. . don't know. . My truck when I sold it had only 127,000 miles.

. . In ALL of these things, happening, I never thought my Dodge was a Piece of crap. Yes there was quality issues but all in all, I loved my dodge... Hated to sell it but it was getting too expensive to fix some more upcoming repairs... . It is still running by a kid in PA. and he is building it to be a Sled puller.

Now, If my new '09 has bad ball joints that fail and Dodge won't cover it before warranty, then I will fix it and go on. ! I love Dodge, and it's engine... the engine, Despite all the smog crap is still a superior engine. It is just the computers, the DPF and stuff that cause us headaches sometimes. . not for me yet thank goodness. . only have 8000 miles on it.

I plan on changing the oil as often as it needs it. . I don't think I will ever go over 7000 miles no matter what. . So all in all, this is a fact of owning cars and trucks. . they have crap equipment and the aftermarket companies fix it. I am glad to find that Quad 4x4 site. . have already bookmarked it for future reference.

I hope my truck don't have any problems but will deal with it . . if and or when it happens. This is why we have the TDR. ! Right? This is why Robin Created it. I see you are in Riverton Utah, I am in SLC. I have a 4x4, cold weather, snow and my new 09 was perfect last winter. Hope it continues.

Like I said i Sympathize with your repairs and problems. So your replaced crap Ball joints may be bad again... Are you going to get that $600 set of Quality Dana, Greasable Ball joints with tools, take a sunday in your driveway for about 7 hours, fix it and go on?. . I would!! in a heartbeat!

The injectors are touted as going 100K. . OK, what if they go 150K, is it worth it to keep going? . . I'd say yes. and what if they are bad. . OK, $4,000 and go another 100K miles or more... Not bad. .

Now, see? Ford had bad engines, is this new one good? don't know. too soon to tell

Chevy is not as bad but it had problems too... Diesel made by Isuzu? Don't think so.

In my opinion, Dodge has the best engine design despite all the new emissions crap and and flash problems. and I hope for my new 09 that most if not all the problems have been worked out. If all I have is ball joint problems and /or U-joint replacement, I will count myself lucky. . EVEN if they do go out every 45K! I already have upgraded the 68RFE pan with a mag-Hytec pan to help it keep cool. So it has started.

Cummins Cowboy, Please, I know a lot of the guys here think you are whining and I know they sympathize with your problems too. I do.

The real thing is to find out if fixing your truck and not having a payment even if it is $4000 to get new injectors and ball joints, is better than getting a new truck with warranty for 5 years. My choice was getting a new truck as I could not afford the necc. repairs coming up. . maybe that is your way to go as well. .

If you get a Dodge, you will have to comply with 2010 emissions. . your truck now, does not. . the new Ford is unproven. . hope it is good for the companies sake, but I would not want to take that chance yet no matter what the incentive.

I got $8000 trade, $8000 rebate I bought last year in Sept. , I also got a $400 tax deduct for getting a new vehicle... and I had taken some money out of retirement to pay about half the truck off to reduce the payment. . Didn't need to, just did. . I only owe $18500 now. So if there is repairs in the future, so be it.

Hope this defuses some of the tension out there. This is why we have the TDR so that we can brag, yes, and if there are problems, to find a way to repair them. . not B**** about them. Am I right guys?

 

[domehead]

Pretty much on on target with it. They all have problems and like you said either fix it or find something else. Plus we are all here to help one another to over come the issues our trucks throw at us.

 

[AClayton]

I agree with Eric and many times I have been accused of being hard on my truck. But for a member to say that there are no problems with the Dodge front-end..... I say get your head out of the sand also. The aftermarket would not respond to the issue with an overwhelming array of upgrade parts if there wasn't a problem that needed attention. With that said..... my truck will pull as hard as any truck I have ever owned and simply cannot be replaced by any V8 diesel..... period! I don't care if the Dodge part of the equation completely falls apart around the Cummins... . I will fix it until the engine dies,simple as that! I love my truck and its towing prowess and currently tow a large 5th wheel that is at or slightly above the recommended weight when fully loaded and this truck tows without an issue. When you consider all of the front-end geometry failures in the Chevy's,the Dodge isn't so bad. The aftermarket supplies us wth the necessary upgrades to make our trucks predictable and reliable. Better than a payment... just my . 02!





Alan

 

[Grizzly]

I had a 95 Dodge 4WD for 10 years with no front end issues and it it had a lot of miles hauling my, then, 11'+ Lance camper. I now have an 05 Dodge 4WD with no front end issues. Both trucks made 11K mile trips to Alaska through some rough roads where I had to use 4WD The toughest terrain was on the Top of the World Hyw from Whitehorse to Dawson City in the Yukon then on to Chicken and Tok. We also took a trip to Deadhorse and Circle, which are rough roads.



My Dodge trucks with the Cummins engines have been by far the best trucks I have owned.



george

 

[Cummins Cowboy]

eric, I have met you and remember you brown second gen truck, here is the difference between you and me from what I can see. You enjoy working on your truck if I remember right your brown truck also had alot of aftermarket stuff on it too. it looks to me like working on your truck and doing your own work is something you like to do. I consider myself a guy with above average mechanical skills, I can handle a brake job, I pulled my driveline and took it to the drive line place to be rebuilt, you know stuff along those lines, a ball joint job is a little beyond what I feel comfortable with, although I know I could do it. personally I want to enjoy my family, get the work done with my business that I have to do, go fishing, hunting whatever, rather than doing work on my truck.

a reliable truck is not too much to ask, ball joints and u joints that last 100k are not too much to ask. not having to spend 4k on injectors every 100k miles is not too much to ask. my old '02 4x4 had the ac compressor go bad and was fixed under warranty, that was it. my old '93 had the power brake booster go bad and I rebuild the steering shaft, all pretty cheap repairs, truck had 140k on it when I sold it. I drove small nissan trucks back in the early 90's if you wanna talk about reliability those trucks never broke.

I am serious when I say between every oil change which is 7-8k miles for me, something else is broke on the '06 and needs fixing, if any vehicle is that way and has less than 100k miles on it, isn't it fair to say its a steaming pile of dog doo of a vehicle?? I do.

eric, I get your argument on weighing new truck vs repairs to the old one, believe me I know what you are saying, I don't want to spend 40 grand on a new truck that gets less fuel mileage, these new trucks are way more expensive than they used to be, my '06 4x4 was 32grand brand new, right now it would be 42k for the same truck new.

I have been a loyal dodge guy like I have said since '96, but if I can find a truck that gets better mileage, the unwarrantied parts such as suspension etc, will last to 100k, the powertrain will last to 100k, that part being covered by warranty. to me it makes since that, that is the truck I should buy. with that said, can't even the most loyal dodge owner see that ford might, and I want to stress just might be the truck that meets that criteria.

 

[domehead]

Some post from CC on the third gen fourm



https://www.turbodieselregister.com...dge-never-again.html?highlight=Cummins+Cowboy



https://www.turbodieselregister.com...y-sell-much-new.html?highlight=Cummins+Cowboy



https://www.turbodieselregister.com...re-70k-warranty.html?highlight=Cummins+Cowboy



https://www.turbodieselregister.com...rucks-expensive.html?highlight=Cummins+Cowboy

 

[Cummins Cowboy]

if you are ok with paying 45 grand for a truck that needs every major replaceable suspension component replaced by the time the trucks hits 75k, at a cost of 3 grand or more plus down time on the truck. have at it, if your too proud to admit dodge trucks do have issues, have at it, if you can't handle the truth knowing you spent a bunch of money and it might not have been the best choice, then have at it.

know it will suck that much more knowing you bought a 2010 with little to no incentives, meaning you paid top dollar and alot more than most paid for their previous models. after being warned of everything I have said. have fun plunking down all that extra money, I have spoke my peace in this thread, I am done, peace out.

 

[CBlack]

if you are ok with paying 45 grand for a truck that needs every major replaceable suspension component replaced by the time the trucks hits 75k, at a cost of 3 grand or more plus down time on the truck. have at it, if your too proud to admit dodge trucks do have issues, have at it, if you can't handle the truth knowing you spent a bunch of money and it might not have been the best choice, then have at it.



know it will suck that much more knowing you bought a 2010 with little to no incentives, meaning you paid top dollar and alot more than most paid for their previous models. after being warned of everything I have said. have fun plunking down all that extra money, I have spoke my peace in this thread, I am done, peace out.

At least we won't hear any more whining. Good luck with a Furd, you'll need it.

 

[EricBu12]

I tell ya, I hope the ford Engine does good, i really do as the ford needs a good engine.

The one thing I wouldn't do is plunk a large purchase on an unproven and new engine. I have almost no doubt the quality of the ford undercarraige and other things are pretty good. but I would wait and see if the ford engine is going to do well. If it does then I'd say go for what you want.

Have 8400 miles on my 09 Ram with no issues. . front is tight and tracks straight. Just did my first heavy tow 500 miles and truck did as I expected. . Great!

 

[KIKER]

Killing some time today at work, I went to a Ford dealer and test drove a 2011 F250 crew cab xlt 4x4 that stickered over $50k. I really liked the seats. Wind was gusting over 30 mph and it didn't have any wind noise against or with the wind. I only drove about 3 miles out and back. When I made the u-turn, I punched it and it had plenty of pep. When I got back and parked, I popped the hood. That's where I lost all interest. I didn't get under the front end and look up, so don't know if you could replace the serpentine belt from there, but you dang sure couldn't do if from the top. I caught a glimpse of the alternator and you might could change that out after removing several items that were above it. I have no idea where the fuel filter is. Seems like it was/is mounted on the frame rail about half way front to back? I guess if the warranty was long enough and cover the serpentine belt and alternator and let someone else do the fuel filter change, it might be a good truck. I would definitely give it a year or two before considering a purchase.