2010 Dodge 2500 vs 2011 Ford F250

[RVTRKN]

Ford always post numbers that are not accurate, I'm curios to see what the rear wheel HP turns out to be. I know my C&C is rated at 305 HP and the rear wheel HP turned out to be 302 HP on a dyno. I bet the Ford wont even be close to their advertised HP. The 6. 4 was supposed to be quick if you talk to a Ford owner, until I test drove one for curiosity, what a dog compared to a Dodge 6. 7 for the same equipped trucks. Apples to apples, the Dodge wins, and I bet it will be the same for the Ford 6. 7.



GM is a different story, they are quick, but it's the other things that bother me, Isuzu engine, Aluminum heads, IFS, designed to run hot, torque management system to protect the alison, glow plugs, can't see the ground looking down through the engine compartment (same for Ford), light duty engine.

 

['strokeThis_'07]

Ford always post numbers that are not accurate, I'm curios to see what the rear wheel HP turns out to be.

310/602 stock

 

[RVTRKN]

310/602 stock

Which truck are those numbers posted from?

 

[WayneTurner]

Look Guys if we could get the manufacturer to put a 25 cent grease fitting in all these joints like they used to and we could grease them at will

90% of these problems would be gone. When have you had an aftermarket part with a grease fitting go bad? They are not just in the business to sell

units . They make more money on parts. These huge service departments don't

exist on oil changes. That goes for any auto maker. The bodies don't rust and fall off any more so something has to make them money. No matter what brand you own something will go wrong. Also if all the auto makers would not use cheap,soft Chinese steel filled with rust and go back to using North American steel we'd all be better off .

 

[robertyoke]

Ford always post numbers that are not accurate, I'm curios to see what the rear wheel HP turns out to be. I know my C&C is rated at 305 HP and the rear wheel HP turned out to be 302 HP on a dyno. I bet the Ford wont even be close to their advertised HP. The 6. 4 was supposed to be quick if you talk to a Ford owner, until I test drove one for curiosity, what a dog compared to a Dodge 6. 7 for the same equipped trucks. Apples to apples, the Dodge wins, and I bet it will be the same for the Ford 6. 7.



GM is a different story, they are quick, but it's the other things that bother me, Isuzu engine, Aluminum heads, IFS, designed to run hot, torque management system to protect the alison, glow plugs, can't see the ground looking down through the engine compartment (same for Ford), light duty engine.

well I can tell you after I drove a '10 mega and a '11 ford today, the new 6. 7 ford is no dog... its faster and more responsive then the 6. 7 cummins.



the new ford is nice, good brakes, trans shifts good, inside is quiet, seats are comfy... . steering is slow and felt really unresponsive.

the ford truck felt bigger (4 door short bed srw) then the mega cab... go

-Robert

 

['strokeThis_'07]

Which truck are those numbers posted from?

A guy on CompD. My work isnt cool enough to dyno anything:-laf

well I can tell you after I drove a '10 mega and a '11 ford today, the new 6. 7 ford is no dog... its faster and more responsive then the 6. 7 cummins.



the new ford is nice, good brakes, trans shifts good, inside is quiet, seats are comfy... . steering is slow and felt really unresponsive.

the ford truck felt bigger (4 door short bed srw) then the mega cab... go

-Robert

Yet... in a test, they ran the exact same times in the 1/8th, and the Dodge . 1 quicker in the 1/4.



The Ford may make more power, but its also packing around alot more heft.

 

[robertyoke]

A guy on CompD. My work isnt cool enough to dyno anything:-laf







Yet... in a test, they ran the exact same times in the 1/8th, and the Dodge . 1 quicker in the 1/4.



The Ford may make more power, but its also packing around alot more heft.

sure didnt feel that way... . the dodge felt like a slug

not that the ford felt like a race car, but its tough to compare to my 03 twined 5. 9. . even my 04 flat bed work truck with handshaker and just a tst box, felt like it could leave both trucks in the dust

 

[domehead]

Kind of interesting comparison g speed of the truck when most people get one of this things either to tow with or haul large stuff in the bed its not about how fast it will go but you can haul just interesting never figured I would be racing my between stop lights

 

[robertyoke]

Kind of interesting comparison g speed of the truck when most people get one of this things either to tow with or haul large stuff in the bed its not about how fast it will go but you can haul just interesting never figured I would be racing my between stop lights

I sure the dealers wont let me hook up my tripple axle 5er to the test trucks and run it up Eisenhower pass... . other wise I would!



If the trucks weight is about the same and if one pulls harder its probably making more more torque, I'm just saying I dont think ford left any cards on the table with this motor and trans combo. I think the hp/torque figures are correct. ie 390 hp and 735 tq

 

[Grizzly]

Kind of interesting comparison g speed of the truck when most people get one of this things either to tow with or haul large stuff in the bed its not about how fast it will go but you can haul just interesting never figured I would be racing my between stop lights

domehead, hit it on the head. 99% of us bought out Dodge truck with the mighty Cummins to haul our large truck campers or tow our 5er, TT or horse trailers. We didn't buy them to race or just to have something to brag about. The proof of the pudding is the reliability and longevity of the truck and the engine.



I was talking to a man yesterday who a has furd superduty v10 gasser. He said that he test drove a 2011 superduty with the 6. 7 powerjoke, of which he was impressed, except for the $60K price tag. The man I was talking to told the salesman that he would buy the truck if furd put a Cummins in it. The dumb salesman told him that furd couldn't do that even though furd owns Cummins. I'm not so sure that I convinced him that furd doesn't own any part of Cummins.

 

[robertyoke]

fyi the mega cab i drove was sticker at 58K and it didnt have remote start



I'm not a ford guy, but competition is good..... I'm also not so brand loyal as to have my head in the sand.



if the 6. 7 ford is reliable and the numbers are correct, then dodge or ram needs to let the big C be up-rated to new numbers like 400/750 if it is to be the big dog.



fyi the isuzu is shooting for 397 hp!

 

['strokeThis_'07]

You may have bought to tow. There in lies the discussion of acceleration. Merging onto interstates. Pulling out of the driveway onto the road. If you cant move the load behind you, your in for a long and not-so-fun trip, possibly with some close calls.



Take my example. At work its almost exclusively Fords, with the Powerstroke. 6. 0, 6. 4, and we've had the upcoming 6. 7 for 8 months or so. I just had to haul ball injectors and other items to location for an acid job. Driving an 06, 1 ton van, Quigley 4 wheel drive conversion, and the mighty 6. 0. Trailer weighed 5600lbs; the whole combination weighed in at a bit more than 15,500. Now, this van is absolutely gutless unloaded, but with a seemingly small 5600 behind it, it was a snail. No power. In fact, it was almost dangerous getting on I80, with the semis barelling down on me as I had the hammer down in a futile attempt to gain some speed. I merged at 40mph.



My Dodge, with a heavier load behind it, but probably weighing in the same vicinity overall, would merge traffic atleast 65 if not more. And thats not even the pedal to the floor.



Lets face it, not all drivers get over for you. So you either squeeze in front of them and tick them off, or slow down for a gap. With the van, that would mean creeping onto the interstate at around 20. Not exactly the safest. If you have the power, you can blend in with traffic like your supposed to, instead of either squeezing traffic because you forced yourself in, or by slowing down to get in.



Ive seen in person; trust me, you do NOT want to get hit by a truck thats going 75 and your going 45. Youll be dead. In that case, the trucker misjudged the other vehicles speed (easy enough to do honestly) creamed a Suburban being pulled by another Suburban, and shot the towed truck off the side of the road, into a ditch. The person in it flew out the front and was dead on site.

 

[domehead]

Lets look at size rig if you have a load on it takes time to get to highway speeds from small truck to large one so your argument is faulty. The Cummings have more low end power to get u going but the other side of it you need the wow power also

 

[AClayton]

Lets look at size rig if you have a load on it takes time to get to highway speeds from small truck to large one so your argument is faulty. The Cummings have more low end power to get u going but the other side of it you need the wow power also

Cummings????

 

[domehead]

Cummings????

Sorry typeo new phone which I accessing the net with

 

['strokeThis_'07]

Lets look at size rig if you have a load on it takes time to get to highway speeds from small truck to large one so your argument is faulty. The Cummings have more low end power to get u going but the other side of it you need the wow power also

Huh?

 

[RColston]

Guys, I gotta say that after driving the new '11 Ford that I am pretty impressed. Seat of the pants power feels pretty impressive. Towing ratings are up for the F350. 21,300 max 5th wheel rating. No body else is even close to the best of my knowledge. The cab does not have to come off for servicing like '10. Watched a video about a guy putting 150k mi. in 131 days with no problems except some software updates. Towing every mile with between 12k and 18k on a 40 ft gn. Could have been Ford propaganda but he had 0 complaints. I'm a die hard Dodge/Cummins fan but they need to build a truck that is rated to do what people are doing with these trucks, with the power to back it up, without having to pay medium duty weight fees or taxes. With Commiefornias new smog checks the aftermarket mods seem like too much of a PITA to be dealing with. Fords rating of 735 lb/ft torque rating being only 65 less than my DT530E IH in a truck that weighs 5000 pounds less... . hmmm... . let me think about this.

 

[CBlack]

Guys, I gotta say that after driving the new '11 Ford that I am pretty impressed. Seat of the pants power feels pretty impressive. Towing ratings are up for the F350. 21,300 max 5th wheel rating. No body else is even close to the best of my knowledge.

Doesn't that put it over the 26,000 max combined rating? What's the point of towing over 21,000# if you're illegally doing so.

 

[RVTRKN]

well I can tell you after I drove a '10 mega and a '11 ford today, the new 6. 7 ford is no dog... its faster and more responsive then the 6. 7 cummins.



the new ford is nice, good brakes, trans shifts good, inside is quiet, seats are comfy... . steering is slow and felt really unresponsive.

the ford truck felt bigger (4 door short bed srw) then the mega cab... go

-Robert

I'll bet the Mega had 3:42 and the Ford had 4:10 rears.

 

[RonD]

Ford doesn't have a 4. 10 ratio, std is 3. 73, most dealers are ordering 3. 55 for stock.