New to pulling question

[Matt400]

What's the point of an SRW 1 ton truck if you're not getting the extra benefits?

The badge & cab lights are kinda cool

 

[HBarlow]

Is the truck in question also the truck in your sig? If so, and it still has 315 tires, that would get messy very quickly, since they would also be 17" wheels, you will end up with a very tall, wobbly tire under load. I know, I had 315s once... once! They do look cool, just not the best for towing.

Good point. Extremely tall tires with soft wobbly sidewalls would be a likely disaster as you stated.

I didn't read the original poster's signature. He also lists Hummer wheels. Hummer wheels are probably not even rated to carry the maximum axle rated weights of a Dodge Ram 2500.

The OP's truck is simply not the right truck for any large and heavy toy hauler.

 

[TMax]

The original poster should check the local and state laws where he will be traveling. I know that CHIPs told us that if you have a triple axle toyhauler, you'd better be pulling it with a dually or it's impound time. In AZ you'd be legal but once you cross into CA... you're dead.

 

[rjones]

tires will be changed to a "e" or"f" rating

 

[HBarlow]

Load range E or F tires won't do any good. You can't install either LRE or LRF tires on under rated Hummer wheels and LRE tires won't provide adequate weight capacity for that trailer.

The only way to install load range F tires is by changing over to 19. 5" wheels and tires, a costly proposition.

Apparently you've already signed the contract and have no choice.

 

[rjones]

No I haven't signed a contract and NO I'm not running on these wheels like I said above...

 

[mberry]

What no one seems to be saying is this: Yes, your truck will tow it. It may not stop it, but it will tow it. Simple answer to your question; Yes it's too much for your truck, but I suspect you already know that.

The simple fact of the matter is, that you will be putting yourself and any others on the road with you at great risk of injury or death due to an accident or run-away situation. Also consider the financial impact of the liability you are taking on as I don't know of any insurance company that would cover you after finding out you were 6Klbs overloaded/under-trucked.

If you decide to do this, please stay as far away from me and my family as possible. They are impossible to replace, where your truck is easily replaced.

 

[rjones]

Ok just drop it, some of you guys are getting to defensive I asked a simple question and my thoughts on what I can do to up the GVW IE: air bags and different tires but these comments on "please stay away from me" BS is just that. . "BS" I never had this much negativity since I joined in 02 on a simple yes or no question... ... . I'll work this out on my own with some other buddies of mine who pull the same weight trailers see what they are doing..... Thanks for the help who actual gave it w/o so much added metaphors... .

 

[mberry]

With all due respect, I see people do this kind of thing far too often around here. I apologize if you were offended by my post, but the fact remains that it appears you are looking only for validation for doing it, and ignoring what the ramifications are of doing it. You are BS'ing yourself if you think you can add airbags and LRF tires and be safe and that is all we are trying to point out.

 

[rjones]

Some of you think I already have it on my truck and going to drive by doing 70 mph on their roads... I respect all the safety factors of however I also have a handful of PM's that are doing it successfully w/o any issues for years... ... IE 24k on a SRW Dodge 1 ton so I don't have any trailer yet..... I don't have any plans on buying a 4500 either ... And for you guys who must know Its going to be where ill be living year round as soon as my divorce finalizes so it wont see many miles anyhow... .

 

[HBarlow]

My truck is a 3/4 ton 4x4 auto 4:10 axle 8800gvw. Will I be able to pull a 42' toy hauler 3 axle 13,740 lbs dry weight, max weight may be around 16,000 lbs is it too much for my truck?

Negativity? Sounds more like a case of a poster who doesn't like the answers he received.

Your original question is posted above. Many of us offered well informed answers and good advice. The short answer is NO, you can't do that and yes, it is too much for your truck by several thousand pounds.

We don't care what you decide to do. It's your decision and your problem. The laws of physics, unintended consequences, and your state motor vehicle code will take care of it.

 

[RVTRKN]

Some of you think I already have it on my truck and going to drive by doing 70 mph on their roads... I respect all the safety factors of however I also have a handful of PM's that are doing it successfully w/o any issues for years... ... IE 24k on a SRW Dodge 1 ton so I don't have any trailer yet..... I don't have any plans on buying a 4500 either ... And for you guys who must know Its going to be where ill be living year round as soon as my divorce finalizes so it wont see many miles anyhow... .

You asked the question.



OK here it is in legal weight terms, Door sticker /Steer Axle GAWR and Drive Axle GAWR, go over those numbers and your toast if DOT or any other law enforcement weighs you. Also check into the triple axle lic requirements it may require a commercial lic. I don't care about that, because I have a commercial lic.

 

[Crunch]

I asked a simple question and my thoughts on what I can do to up the GVW IE: air bags and different tires but these comments on "please stay away from me" BS is just that. .

The bottom line is that you can't legally up the GVWR of a 2500, no matter what you do to the truck. On a 1 ton dually you can change the GVWR by putting heavier load tires on it, but not the 3/4 ton truck.

 

[AH64ID]

Good point. Extremely tall tires with soft wobbly sidewalls would be a likely disaster as you stated.

I didn't read the original poster's signature. He also lists Hummer wheels. Hummer wheels are probably not even rated to carry the maximum axle rated weights of a Dodge Ram 2500.

The OP's truck is simply not the right truck for any large and heavy toy hauler.

Its all about the tires on a SRW. OEM tires wheels are good for 3195lbs, H2 Wheels are rated at 3195 ( I have been told thats what they are stamped at), but I don't recall many LRE 315's, most are LRD 3195lb rated at 65psi. . You WANT 80 psi with that much weight...

HBarlow's original math is the key... RAWR on and Dodge SRW is based 100% on tires, as the axle is rated the same by AAM for SRW or DRW configurations, at 10,910lbs (Dodge rates the DRW RAWR at 9,350 lbs, so that tells me thats what they limit the brake, frame, and suspension for). Brakes, frame, etc are the same. So if you are going to be towing that much with a SRW you need tires to handle it, 19. 5's are the most HD, but some 18's may offer the weight rating you need. You probably want a tire/rim combo good for 4K per tire.

Add airbags and a good trailer brake controller and go to town while being safe.

It won't be as stable as a DRW, but it will support the load with some modifications.

Next is the legallity of it. Simple fact is the DOT only cares about what is safe, so making sure your within the limit of the tires, and States only care about what you pay for. . so pay for the proper GVWR. (I am legal to 26K GCW, even thou my OE GCWR is only 21K).

Your truck is OE rated for 11,850. But change the OE build to a 3500 SRW (which is the only difference is OEM overloads (airbags are better) and make it a 325/600 motor and your OE limit is now 15,750 which is what your trailer would weigh. . You just have to look at how much pin weight your tires can support. But 16K is only 250lbs away from what Dodge says your truck with 20 more hp and overloads can handle.


OE stuff

Dodge Towing Guide - By Vehicle Results

The bottom line is that you can't legally up the GVWR of a 2500, no matter what you do to the truck. On a 1 ton dually you can change the GVWR by putting heavier load tires on it, but not the 3/4 ton truck.

How on earth do you figure that? DRW Axle ratings are already lower than combined tire ratings.

You can't change the GVWR on ANYTHING in the LD truck market, but like I said States only care about what you pay for and DOT only cares about safety.

 

[JohnBoy5]

You asked the question.

OK here it is in legal weight terms, Door sticker /Steer Axle GAWR and Drive Axle GAWR, go over those numbers and your toast if DOT or any other law enforcement weighs you. Also check into the triple axle lic requirements it may require a commercial lic. I don't care about that, because I have a commercial lic.

Are you sure about the number of axles being a requirement. . I do not remember that when i got my CDL licenses over 10 yrs ago. seems more like brake type (air or Hydraulic) number of combinations, content being hauled, number of passengers and the actual weight of the combine vehicle . those are the things i recall being part of the requirements of a CDL. I may be wrong, this is not a rant but more a question then anything.

As for the weight of the trailer and truck you are over and no its not legal to pull. how ever i do have a 28 ft gooseneck trailer with 3 axles. trailer weight is 5500lbs empty i have been well over wight several times. over the wight of the trailer and truck. but i was only going 50 mph on light traveled roads and not far at all. if i were pulled over by a police office that knew anything or seen by one that knew anything i would have been busted in more then one way. i dont have a commercial tag and i let my cdls go.

I would say IF you are going to pull this trailer try NOT to draw too much attn to yourself, take your time and leave lots of distance from the person in front of you.

i hope this is not a slam or rant in anyones eyes but i felt i had to respond to this for get my questions answered and state the facts.

best of luck with your choice. if you buy it maybe we can see a few pictures of it hooked up because i am sure it will be quite a site!!!!!!!

 

[AH64ID]

Are you sure about the number of axles being a requirement. .

In Idaho its based on weight and axles, 5 axles over 26K lbs is considered a "Truck" regardless of use.

 

[JohnBoy5]

this leads me to another question, lets use me as an example. I being from NC and say i get pulled over in VA or SC what laws apply to me? would there be any consideration to the NC laws in my fine if i were given one or would it all depend on how big of a prick the officer wanted to be. lol

 

[HBarlow]

I don't know what RVTrkn was talking about when he mentioned triple axles requiring a CDL. Perhaps he is talking about something for KA residents.

No such requirement exists in TX where I live or DOT regulations for commercial interstate driving/towing.

 

[HBarlow]

this leads me to another question, lets use me as an example. I being from NC and say i get pulled over in VA or SC what laws apply to me? would there be any consideration to the NC laws in my fine if i were given one or would it all depend on how big of a prick the officer wanted to be. lol

It depends entirely on what you are pulled over for. If your home state allows you to tow a 15,000 lb. fiver with a Class C operator license, your license is good for that trailer in all states, even KA where they may require something else. TX and several other states do require a Class A Operator license, not Class A CDL, for towing a heavy trailer in private use.

On the other hand, if DOT in another state pulls you over for an actual weight violation ie too heavy on the rear axle or rear tires, you are overweight.

It is important to distinguish between registration weight and actual weight. States require a driver to register his vehicles for their loaded weights. That is a tax or fees issue. DOT will probably check to see that you are registered for rated and actual weight also.

Nobody but internet weight police care about the manufacturer's gross combination weight rating or towing weight specified by Dodge, Furd, Obama Motors.

 

[AH64ID]

Nobody but internet weight police care about the manufacturer's gross combination weight rating or towing weight specified by Dodge, Furd, Obama Motors.

Exactly. It all boils down to safety and taxes. . Pay the state what they want for your weight, and don't exceed the safety rating on your tires, you will be fine as long as its legal in your home state and your within those limits. .



Now legal is not always safe, do things the smart way and you will be fine.



Like I said, Dodge thinks you are safe with a little more hp and a little more helper spring at 15,750. . thats means your probably safe at a decent weight above that with the proper suspension mods, tires, and brakes.