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AH64ID said:
I have made my filter decisions based on years of research and the filters have changed in the last couple years and the P551313 is a superior filter to the Cat 1R-0750.
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Any fitment issues with the Donaldson filters on the GDP base? I currently use the Cat filter.
 
for not much more than ya'll are talking about spending on a "kit" I got a raptor 150 gph fuel pump, which came with half inch i. d. push-lock lines, added a donaldson filter head on the frame rail right before the pump, with a 10 um donaldson filter, kept the factory canister in tact come off the factory can with 1/2" braided stainless teflon lines and jic fittings to 2 um donaldson filter mounted under the intake horn, then the braided stainless lines continue on to the cp3. Also have a mechanical fuel pressure tee right after the pump and an electronic sender in the line right before the cp3. Maybe it's all overkill but being as how 90% give or take of problems with diesel engines are somehow directly related to contamination of the fuel, it's overkill that gives me piece of mind. BTW i've been running the same 2 um filter and baldwin in the oem can for 12k miles now, and the 10 um fuel water sep filter for 8k miles with no pressure drop right before the cp3.
 
I wonder if I were to install the W/F filter and secondary filter from one of the newer Cat 6. 6L CR engines...

BTW. . just wondering, where is everyone getting the micron and efficiency ratings on the Cat filters??... I cannot seem to find them and would like to study them.
 
Wingate said:
I wonder if I were to install the W/F filter and secondary filter from one of the newer Cat 6. 6L CR engines...

BTW. . just wondering, where is everyone getting the micron and efficiency ratings on the Cat filters??... I cannot seem to find them and would like to study them.
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There are several Cat documents that have the ratings, but they aren't easy to find. The current data puts most of their filters at 4um absolute single pass. Their f/w seps are rated at 87% emulsified. There is some talk that the 6. 6L HPCR filters are a "true 2um", but as the NIST calibration standards have changed that's not ture and none of the data I can find has them rated any better than the 1R-0750 that many people use.



Donaldson seems to have the best media right now with 3um absolute. Baldwin seems to have the best f/w separation media, followed closely by Fleetguard.





TCDiesel said:
Page 112/113 Some interesting reading... . Donaldson has went to the plate and is attacking the ISO/SAE ratings. . For years Some have Been preaching the ISO/SAE ratings as FACTS... The Beta readings CANNOT be Changed and Donaldson use these in comparison with ISO. . Beta is More accuated... I may start buying their filters based on Beta ONLY. I tip My hat to Donaldson.



http://www.donaldson.com/en/engine/support/datalibrary/070044.pdf
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What's interesting is you have been told about ratings like this, and Donaldson filters, but just days ago you stated you cannot trust mfgr ratings and only will trust your bank account. This is why you are running a 23um absolute multi-pass hydraulic filter as the only filter on your HPCR, one that wants 5um absolute single pass per Bosch (I would think a guy who makes his living on CP3's would at least know these things).



All filters have to be rated to some SAE or ISO rating, like we have discussed before. The current rating for fuel filters is J1985, and ISO 16889 is a common hydraulic filter standard. B(3)=75 is different on a J1985 and a ISO 16889, and this blurb is very important. ISO 4406 (as mentioned on pg 112) is a hydraulic filter standard as well.



"Many application differences exist in engine

liquid filters that need to be understood to

begin to correctly apply a filtration media to

obtain a desired fluid cleanliness. For example,

is it a contained system like the lube oil system

where the same fluid is re-circulated and the

fluid will be put through the filter multiple times

(multi-pass) or is it a fuel system where the

fluid is consumed and needs to be cleaned in

one time through the filter (single pass). What

is the fluid cleanliness that is being started with

and what are the application environmental

conditions. These are just of few of the things

to consider when choosing the correct media to

apply. "



This is why I have attacked your position on filtration and providing false data to the forum. B(3)=75 is not always the same. If you are getting re-educated on filters then that's great, but it's not anything new around the forum.
 
AH64ID said:
There are several Cat documents that have the ratings, but they aren't easy to find. The current data puts most of their filters at 4um absolute single pass. Their f/w seps are rated at 87% emulsified. There is some talk that the 6. 6L HPCR filters are a "true 2um", but as the NIST calibration standards have changed that's not ture and none of the data I can find has them rated any better than the 1R-0750 that many people use.
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Like I say, would really like to see them... I have a DSN in to Cat as well as checking current CPI's and have never been given a number.

Cat has always stated that filters should be judged on reliability and proven performance, not a specific micron rating number from what they seem to consider "flawed testing standards"...
 
AH64ID said:
It looks like Cat is in the middle of a website redesign. It's the first I have seen any published info on the UHE fuel filters, but they appear to be 4um absolute as well.



http://parts.cat.com/cda/files/3022934/7/PEHJ0269Filter.pdf



This shows they are 87% efficient at emulsified water sep.



http://parts.cat.com/cda/files/3022934/7/PEHJ0082-02.pdf



The other references I have looked at before now require a password.
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The PEHJ Media is for basically just promoting the electric priming pump... but offers a rating # on the F/W seperator. Those are for the 3500 series engines.
 
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Which is why I run the Donaldson P551313, designed as a cross for the 1R-0750 which is an engine mounted filter, just like our OEM one.
 
TCDiesel said:
Page 3 NONE of those engines are CR and are None HP injections although all those engines are Million mile motors. http://www.stowerscat.com/pdf.asp?id=73 the cups were done WAY before the injectors in those series of MOTORS. http://www.stowerscat.com/pdf.asp?id=71 I don't see that filter spun on any CAT TIER 4 Common rails. . Wonder Why?
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It's still the best rated filter for fuel on the market.



I don't see a hydraulic 23um filter on any engine. . wonder why??
 
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TCDiesel said:
Page 3 NONE of those engines are CR and are None HP injections although all those engines are Million mile motors. http://www.stowerscat.com/pdf.asp?id=73 the cups were done WAY before the injectors in those series of MOTORS. http://www.stowerscat.com/pdf.asp?id=71 I don't see that filter spun on any CAT TIER 4 Common rails. . Wonder Why?
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yeah those two letters are EXTREMELY old. Way before Cat went CR. . the only fuel systems they are listing is the MUI, MEUI, HEUI, and pump/nozzle engines...

They do not list anything newer than about 2001-2002. The 1R-0750 is still a good auxillary filter for the little Cummins though. Interesting idea to install it frame mounted though. Could probably just change the factory Fleetguard about once a year or two...
 
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TCDiesel said:
Zinga Never claimed to be certified for Engine . . Use. . That's WHY.....
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What Zinga claims about their filters and what you claim about their filters are two very different things, and you say we (guessing directed more at me. . thou I thought you said you couldn't handle my presentation of facts that differ from your opinion and ignored me :-laf) can't handle the truth...



Not sure what your trying to prove around here but rest assured I wait with bated breath...
 
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Why don't you guys take your ******* contest to a new thread or PM's. Nobody here wants to hear it! This thread has turned into a disaster and all I was trying to do was let guys know their is a kit available... ... ... ...
 
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