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Engine/Transmission (1994 - 1998) Major EGT issues

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I have been chasing mileage and EGT issues since I bought this truck several years ago. I have been through 3 turbos, a p-pump, 3 sets of injectors and just about every cure I could find on the forums and by talking to shops. The truck has been in 6 different shops and the power has gotten better but the EGTs and mileage have never gotten better. For the last year they have actually started getting worse.



My last trip went like this: I left town towing a 5500# 5th wheel at night and hit the biggest grades running 55mph in 3rd and was able to manage egts below 1200° but the water temp was almost redlined by the top of the hills. The next day I towed 10,000# up a 5 mile long grade in the heat of the day I hit the hill at 55mph (2300rpm) and the EGTs hung right at 1200° driving by the EGT guage to try and maintaining control and dropping into 2nd when I was no longer able to keep it under 1250°. I eventually ended up sending the water over the redline 2/3 of the way up the hill. I pulled over to get the temps down and started again. I was not able to use 3rd at all without sending the EGTs sky high so I nursed it to the top in 2nd overheating the water again by the top of the hill. The next day on the way home I had the 5500# 5th wheel again and had nearly the same results on the hill as the bigger trailer. I could not even tow on the flats in OD without getting over 1200° and drove from Barstow to Vegas at 60mph or less. Pulling the 17mi long baker grade I had to drive in 2nd at 35mph the entire way with the A/C turned off to make it over the hill. The mileage towing 5500# was 9. 5mpg and empty on the highway is about 12mpg



Here is a list of the current configuration do give you a baseline to help.



Fresh motor with around 6000mi on it, ported head with 110# springs and fire rings, PDR quick spool cam, DDP 75hp injectors, 215hp pump, TST#10 plate in stock location, AFC housing in stock location with TST spring kit, timing at 17. 5°, 3piece exhaust manifold (cant remember which brand), 4" exhaust with straight through muffler, II 62/65/12 turbo. I had a 14cm housing the turbo and it made little noticeable difference. I also cut the exhaust in front of the muffler to eliminate a muffler issue and noticed no difference.



At this point I am completely out of money. I have been told that twins is the only way to solve the problem but my wife won't let me sell a kidney to pay for them. My primary concern is for towing performance. I would like to be able to pull the hills at any speed with a 6000# trailer. 15mpg would be awesome.
 
What type of air filter do you have? Have you tried running without the air filter hooked up on the hiway sounds like you have a very hi air restricktion does it smoke alot( black)?

























I have been chasing mileage and EGT issues since I bought this truck several years ago. I have been through 3 turbos, a p-pump, 3 sets of injectors and just about every cure I could find on the forums and by talking to shops. The truck has been in 6 different shops and the power has gotten better but the EGTs and mileage have never gotten better. For the last year they have actually started getting worse.



My last trip went like this: I left town towing a 5500# 5th wheel at night and hit the biggest grades running 55mph in 3rd and was able to manage egts below 1200° but the water temp was almost redlined by the top of the hills. The next day I towed 10,000# up a 5 mile long grade in the heat of the day I hit the hill at 55mph (2300rpm) and the EGTs hung right at 1200° driving by the EGT guage to try and maintaining control and dropping into 2nd when I was no longer able to keep it under 1250°. I eventually ended up sending the water over the redline 2/3 of the way up the hill. I pulled over to get the temps down and started again. I was not able to use 3rd at all without sending the EGTs sky high so I nursed it to the top in 2nd overheating the water again by the top of the hill. The next day on the way home I had the 5500# 5th wheel again and had nearly the same results on the hill as the bigger trailer. I could not even tow on the flats in OD without getting over 1200° and drove from Barstow to Vegas at 60mph or less. Pulling the 17mi long baker grade I had to drive in 2nd at 35mph the entire way with the A/C turned off to make it over the hill. The mileage towing 5500# was 9. 5mpg and empty on the highway is about 12mpg



Here is a list of the current configuration do give you a baseline to help.



Fresh motor with around 6000mi on it, ported head with 110# springs and fire rings, PDR quick spool cam, DDP 75hp injectors, 215hp pump, TST#10 plate in stock location, AFC housing in stock location with TST spring kit, timing at 17. 5°, 3piece exhaust manifold (cant remember which brand), 4" exhaust with straight through muffler, II 62/65/12 turbo. I had a 14cm housing the turbo and it made little noticeable difference. I also cut the exhaust in front of the muffler to eliminate a muffler issue and noticed no difference.



At this point I am completely out of money. I have been told that twins is the only way to solve the problem but my wife won't let me sell a kidney to pay for them. My primary concern is for towing performance. I would like to be able to pull the hills at any speed with a 6000# trailer. 15mpg would be awesome.
 
Air filter is an AFE stage II. There is some black smoke on launch but it clears up as soon as the turbo kicks in. It does haze but no heavy black smoke.
 
I don't think the EGT's are causing your water to overheat, 1200* is not hot. I think you have a cooling issue. I would check your radiator inside and out, also your fan clutch.



Nick
 
I don't think the EGT's are causing your water to overheat, 1200* is not hot. I think you have a cooling issue. I would check your radiator inside and out, also your fan clutch.

Nick

Agree totally. Have it flushed inside AND out. The fins could be clogged with dirt. Check the after cooler too. Either one could cause a overheating issue.
 
I don't think the EGT's are causing your water to overheat, 1200* is not hot. I think you have a cooling issue. I would check your radiator inside and out, also your fan clutch.



Nick



Agree totally. Have it flushed inside AND out. The fins could be clogged with dirt. Check the after cooler too. Either one could cause a overheating issue.
 
I have a similar issue, although not nearly as severe. My 5th wheel is 14k empty, no idea what real weight is. I can control my egt's most of the time, keeping below 1250. We don't have the grades here that you are talking about and I never have to go below 4th. Coolingmist system helped, but any time we modify and increase power the towing issues will be there. Twins are probably the real answer, but I don't want to go there.
 
I agree on the cooling system maintenance.

Have you verified the accuracy of the OEM gauge?

1200° is fine on hills, and will probably come down a little if you fix your cooling issue.

Do you have a heat shield or box around your air filter?
 
From your description you have 2 problems, tire size\gearing, and TC lcokup.



If you have the standard gears of 3. 55's with 35" tires and an auto your already way over center the wrong way for towing. There is no possibly way to run these angines at 1700-1800 rpms towing grades and keep the EGT's low enough while keeping the power there. You don't have enough exhaust flow to support the needed air to fuel that is being provided. That all leads to dropping gears and then the crappy lockup algorithms won't lock the TC which leads to massive engine heating. Granted, you need to verify the cooling system performance and actual temp but it wll still be higher than needed.



You need 4. 10's with 35's to even have a chance of pulling heavy and hard. You need a lockup switch to lock the TC manually when you downshift or the coolant temps will sky rocket.



Now if you alread have the above, there are other problems with the cooling system and fuel delivery.
 
I have an AFE airbox around the filter that pulls cooler air from the fender. The exterior of the radiator is clean and the interior looks good as well. I have never had rust in the radiator and keep the fluid in pretty good shape. I try to stay above 2000rpm when towing and have 4. 10 gears. No TC lockup switch but that is an easy problem to solve. I can easily get past 1300° empty on a hill keeping it under 1250° on a hill with a light trailer will force me all the way down to second gear to keep the temps at 1200°. At 2000rpm in OD on flat ground keeping under 1200° required me to be very careful with my right foot. The only way I could tow in OD at all is down hill. I am not exagerating when I say a half ton with a 350 cheavy would tow just as good as my truck. Empty If I stand on it it will get to 1600° in a pretty big hurry. I have read peoples combinations for years and there are a lot of people with the same parts I have towing way heavier.
 
Have you double checked your timing? I also wonder if you were to back it off a degree if it would help. 2300 isn't too many rpms and at 17. 5° you may be putting more heat to the head then needed, also making more pressure BTDC.

What kind of boost are you making on a hill?
 
What boost numbers do you see when it is getting hot?

The trouble with the p-pump is the lack of dynamic timing and that could be showing as high EGT's, compounded by the plate.

Where is the plate postioned, stock or forward?

I would crank the timing up to 19-20 degrees and back the plate off to stock position to see what thta does to power and temps.
 
The plate is in the stock location. I am usually at about 30psi pulling a hill. Any higher than 35psi and it won't stay under 1300°. It will hit over 45psi instantly if I give it more throttle but I don't see a surge in power from 30psi to 45psi and the EGT will get stupid hot if I held 45psi. I am already at 17. 5-18° to you think 1° would make that much difference?
 
I thought those wheels were only good to about 3. 5:1, which would explain why your EGT's go up with boost.
 
Have you tried a different plate? Possibly the combination of the pump, injectors, and plate are just too much for the air your getting? Not sure how that turbo performs at higher levels. Would be intertesting to DP at 45 psi on it. Maybe it is just too restrictive to flow good at that level.



With the lack of dynamic timing advance its could be the EGT's are showing hot but its not in the cylinder. From the sounds of it the harder you spin the emgine the hotter the temps are getting. Thats either fueling or timing.
 
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