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E-News from RV Consumer Group, Nov 2012

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E-News from RV Consumer Group



November 2012

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The RV World: Marvels and Disasters of 2012 ____________







Recovering







After suffering a sharp downturn as a result of the 2008-2009 recession, the RV industry showed signs of recovery in 2012 - slow at first, but picking up speed toward the end of the year. Manufacturers and dealers appear optimistic for 2013.





Some general trends







1) An emphasis on luxury fifth wheels for fulltimers and snowbirds accompanied a continued lag in sales of large diesel motor homes;







2) A resurgence of the toyhauler craze, mostly in the towable marketplace, but including motorized. Many models fall in the top-end category.





3) Lightweights are still hot, with new companies springing up to cash in on the fad. Even teardrops are back.





4) Class B's made a comeback late in the year.





5) It's been a year of international outreach for many manufacturers, with China, Australia, and Europe as prime targets.







Significant changes by RV Manufacturers in 2012







Carriage



The remains of this defunct luxury fifth wheel manufacturer were finally absorbed by Evergreen RV's Luxury Lifestyle division and Thor Redwood, both builders of high-line fifth wheels.





MVP RV



When promised funding failed to materialize, the bubble burst for this young company, and they went under. Interesting to note that in a July 2011 article we wrote about MVP RV, we made the following statement:







"Since MVP is such a young company, and we have few consumer polls on their products, our own reservations come from the fact that its founders came directly from Thor California, whose products were not well regarded for their reliability. We advise extreme caution and thorough research until the new MVP's products have had a chance to prove themselves. "





Coleman Camping Trailers



These well-known folding trailer models found new life under the Somerset brand, made by Columbia Northwest (Aliner)





Newmar



Deciding to focus effort on their motor home lines, Newmar dropped towables for the 2013 model year, and perhaps indefinitely.







Gulf Stream



Taking the opposite tack, Gulf Stream dropped motor homes for 2013, choosing to build towables only.







Monaco RV



Monaco and its subsidiaries Holiday Rambler and R-Vision are now considered subsidiaries of Navistar, the parent company, although they will retain their respective brand names for the time being. The official company name will be Navistar RV - unless Monaco and the rest are sold off, as Navistar hints could happen. Navistar nearly went under as a result of a drastic stock price fall after their experimental engine technology failed to receive EPA approval. Change swept the company in 2012, management changes ensued, and an end to the chaos is not yet in sight.







Nu-Wa Industries



NU-WA ceased production of new models in September of 2012, but promised to complete all existing orders and to continue warranty work.







Winnebago Industries



The first Winnebago-branded towables were introduced to the marketplace, while their acquisition, Sunnybrook division, saw a number of brand cuts.







Other industry news





FEMA / Katrina Fiasco:

The FEMA / Formaldehyde lawsuits finally saw some closure as most of the RV companies involved agreed to a settlement with plaintiffs as a measure to avoid more years of litigation. A few holdouts remain, however.







For RV travelers:

State parks nationwide came under increased pressure in 2012 to become fiscally self-sufficient, with some actually going for privatization - a controversial decision. Scuttlebutt has it that the same fate could befall our national parks unless there's a public outcry.







California State Parks Scandal:



With the looming threat of closure for lack of funds, it was discovered that sufficient funds to keep California parks open for 2012 had been secreted away unreported. Heads rolled,and an investigation ensued that is apparently ongoing. But the good news is that the parks stayed open by decree of the governor.







For RV Buyers:



Polls showed that almost half of prospective RV buyers use the Internet to guide their purchases. Internet scams have increased as well, making it necessary for buyers to take extra precautions, such as never sending money up front.







Innovations







RV manufacturers, slow to change, are finally adopting new formaldehyde-free materials -- at least in small ways. On the other hand, the Bigger-is-Better mentality still persists. Innovations may consist of nothing more than new fabrics, a different paint job, or more and bigger TVs. At least the days of hitting your head on the TV as you enter the cockpit appear to be over - at last.







The Louisville Show







The most important RV show is the dealer's show held annually at the end of November each year in Louisville, Kentucky. This is when RV manufacturers and makers of aftermarket products, both new and well-established, pull out all the stops and reveal the "best" new models and products they've come up with for the following year. Our trusty volunteers Roger and Carol Bassett will be our eyes and ears once again.





We look forward to the innovations unveiled at the Louisville Show because, in the RV world, there's always room for hope.







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I'm totally surprised that this E-News from RV Consumer Group hasn't shown much interest amoung the many many RV's on TDR!!!
 
Grizzly, Thanks for posting news about the RV industry. You have have provided RV info for many of us here on TDR. We appreciate it



Bob
 
Hey George, I read read it, but the Arctic Fox (Northwoods Mfg) was not mentioned so I found no need to comment. However, there is a lot of info for future buyers or someone who is contemplating buying an RV. As always you have kept us informed on the RV industry, and you were instrumental in my decision when I bought my Arctic Fox, from your past posts and when I ask you in a private message.



Thanks again

Steve
 
There was no mention of whether or not the industry figured out how to actually have a screw or nail hit something BEHIND what they are trying to hold on!:-laf
 
Hey Griz, Ive been looking around locally at used rvs. Ive never owned one, but is something we as a family have discussed more and more lately. Ive already decided (unless I could fall into a deal I cant resist) our first purchase will be a small(ish) tag along. Want something reliable that I can pull around without worry, not looking for all the bells and whistles. Weve got 2 boys both are still young, so like I said would like to stay on the smaller side (less than 28 ft) and simple. If after a few years we decide this is something we are really into, then it would be no big deal to upgrade. Just dont want to make a large investment on our first rv. Do you have any suggestions at some manufacturers in particular to look at? Ive been doing some reading online, just would like your advice. You seem very knowledgeable in this area.

Thanks,

JR
 
Look at www.northwoodmfg.com web site, they are a quality 4 star builder that are relatively inexpensive in the larger picture of what your looking for. If you compare their prices to other cheaper built brands where the quality is a lot less, you will find the price reasonable. The idea of going smaller for your first RV has its advantage, and its what I did, but you will find it gets small fast, as you start to use it. I would recommend a 5ver because they are the same length, but it has more room and storage. Go to any RV show and just compare any same brand RV trailer to 5ver with the same length, and you will see the what I'm talking about. The only negative is the hitch setup will cost you more, and you lose a little room in the back of your truck. But keep in mind there is more storage in the 5ver that you can permanently store items in and no need to unload and load every time you use the RV.
 
Thanks Steve Ill look into them. One of the main reasons Im looking to stay slightly smaller, because Id rather sacrifice some size for quality in the scheme of trimming expenses. Your right a 5er would most definitely be the better route, Im not against owning one, just thought a tag along might be cheaper and if Im not going monstorous I thought a tag would be manageable. Im keeping my eye open for both, thank you for the advice.
 
Hey Griz, Ive been looking around locally at used rvs. Ive never owned one, but is something we as a family have discussed more and more lately. Ive already decided (unless I could fall into a deal I cant resist) our first purchase will be a small(ish) tag along. Want something reliable that I can pull around without worry, not looking for all the bells and whistles. Weve got 2 boys both are still young, so like I said would like to stay on the smaller side (less than 28 ft) and simple. If after a few years we decide this is something we are really into, then it would be no big deal to upgrade. Just dont want to make a large investment on our first rv. Do you have any suggestions at some manufacturers in particular to look at? Ive been doing some reading online, just would like your advice. You seem very knowledgeable in this area.

Thanks,

JR

Some things we've learned from almost 15 years of travel trailering. Frilly curtains and aluminum/plastic blinds are a PIA. I like the kind that have a more cloth-like material and have a layer that lets in light and another that keeps light out. Carpet gets dirty and is hard to keep clean. Make sure your kitchen seats are all vinyl or have one side that is vinyl. Stuff expands to fill the available space. A walk-around bed is preferable to a bed that has one side against the wall. You will like a bigger rather than smaller bathroom. Slideouts give a lot more space without making the trailer longer. Good luck!
 
There was no mention of whether or not the industry figured out how to actually have a screw or nail hit something BEHIND what they are trying to hold on!:-laf



Big thumbs up on that... .

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Mike. :)

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There was no mention of whether or not the industry figured out how to actually have a screw or nail hit something BEHIND what they are trying to hold on!:-laf

You mean, that is actually possible??? No way!!! I'm certain that would defy the laws of physics!
 
DIESEL4LIFE,
I have a 1998 Nash 25-S (made by Northwoods in LeGrande, OR. ) that actually was built in Aug. '97. I bought it used (7 months old) & it has been wonderful until just recently. I live in Phoenix & have had it in all the Western States many times & as far East as Ontario, Canada, MI, OH, WV. IN. , & many states in between. Spent 2 summers in it travelling. It is very comfortable with a large bathroom, queen sized bed, couch, dinette, etc. The first major problems occured on my last trip into the White Mtns. of AZ. The water heater started to act up & not light & the furnace motor started to sound like bearings were going bad. Those are the first serious problems I've had, other than the awning unfurled & came off a number of years ago during a strong cross wind up in ID. I'd buy another Northwoods product in a heartbeat. I've had other products that nickle & dimed me to death. Look for a used one.

Joe F.
 
Hey Griz, Ive been looking around locally at used rvs. Ive never owned one, but is something we as a family have discussed more and more lately. Ive already decided (unless I could fall into a deal I cant resist) our first purchase will be a small(ish) tag along. Want something reliable that I can pull around without worry, not looking for all the bells and whistles. Weve got 2 boys both are still young, so like I said would like to stay on the smaller side (less than 28 ft) and simple. If after a few years we decide this is something we are really into, then it would be no big deal to upgrade. Just dont want to make a large investment on our first rv. Do you have any suggestions at some manufacturers in particular to look at? Ive been doing some reading online, just would like your advice. You seem very knowledgeable in this area.
Thanks,
JR



diesel4life, i really can't tell you which RV to buy, however whichever brand you consider, let me know and I'll look it up on my RV Consumer Group and tell you the rating. There are some good brands out there, but there are far more not so good brands.

When making a large investment on an RV, which you may spend $10K, $20K or $30K, my best advice is to arm yourself with the latest copy of the RV Consumer Group. It's guide loaded with information and ratings about every RV made. Separate guides are available for 5th Wheel and TT, Motorhomes and Truck Campers. I have the RVCG guides for 5th Wheels & TT and for Truck Campers, but they don't include 2011 and 2012 because I haven't renewed them yet. You can always PM me.

george
 
DIESEL4LIFE,

I have a 1998 Nash 25-S (made by Northwoods in LeGrande, OR. ) that actually was built in Aug. '97. I bought it used (7 months old) & it has been wonderful until just recently. I live in Phoenix & have had it in all the Western States many times & as far East as Ontario, Canada, MI, OH, WV. IN. , & many states in between. Spent 2 summers in it travelling. It is very comfortable with a large bathroom, queen sized bed, couch, dinette, etc. The first major problems occured on my last trip into the White Mtns. of AZ. The water heater started to act up & not light & the furnace motor started to sound like bearings were going bad. Those are the first serious problems I've had, other than the awning unfurled & came off a number of years ago during a strong cross wind up in ID. I'd buy another Northwoods product in a heartbeat. I've had other products that nickle & dimed me to death. Look for a used one.



Joe F.



Ive been reading about Nash lately they certainly seem to be of good quality. Your actually the 3rd person whose recomended them which is a good sign real life experiences seem to be the best evaluation I havent come across any locally but I will keep my eyes open for one thanks for your response its greatly appreciated.
 
diesel4life, i really can't tell you which RV to buy, however whichever brand you consider, let me know and I'll look it up on my RV Consumer Group and tell you the rating. There are some good brands out there, but there are far more not so good brands.



When making a large investment on an RV, which you may spend $10K, $20K or $30K, my best advice is to arm yourself with the latest copy of the RV Consumer Group. It's guide loaded with information and ratings about every RV made. Separate guides are available for 5th Wheel and TT, Motorhomes and Truck Campers. I have the RVCG guides for 5th Wheels & TT and for Truck Campers, but they don't include 2011 and 2012 because I haven't renewed them yet. You can always PM me.



george



Thank you Griz if and when I come across something of interest I will keep you in mind. Bieng this is my first rv Im looking to stick around the 10k mark. From what Ive seen so far I should be able to find something of decent value and condition the economy around here has not recovered at all regardless of what nobama claims so there are rvs popping up for sale on a regular basis around here. If Im patient (which I am) I should be able to come across something good before spring. Thanks again,

JR
 
I'm totally surprised that this E-News from RV Consumer Group hasn't shown much interest amoung the many many RV's on TDR!!!





It's not just this post, the numbers tell the story. It is rare for more than 30/40 members to be signed in at any one time. Some Forums are inactive for days, sometimes weeks.....



Nick
 
Grizzly Thanks for the RV update. Rv interest does die down in the winter, at least up here. My TT has over a foot of snow on top of it right now, so I can't even do repairs or upgrades on it.

D4L "Bieng this is my first rv Im looking to stick around the 10k mark. " For that dollar amount I would look for a good quality used older one rather than a newer unit with more bells and whistles and poor quality. Your first RV gets you interested ( or not ) and from there you will find out what you like and don't like, what is practical and what is unnecessary. If the boys are big enough then bunks are real handy. You have a CTD so don't be too concerned about buying a "lite weight model". Yes you will suck a bit more fuel with a heavier model but they are quite often built more solid. You don't have to drive far to have fun. For starters visit the local places, say with in a 2 - 3 hour drive of home. Just go out and have some fun with the family. Shad
 
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