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[BIGNASTY]

Yes it is a VERY NICE looking fence!! Im thinking that it would look good across the front of the property and a nice lite weight gate to kind of match. The Son is looking at a nice fence around their house to keep the cattle from near the house (along with SOME of the flies :-laf) so maybe a couple of acres for them.

Not to worried about the fence rails for rust just have to clean them up and use a good paint, But for the gate can Galvanized metal be powder coated or not? That would solve any unsightly gate problem.

Thanks to Bill and some others that pointed the way toward our POST HOLE DIGGER digging post holes is NOT A PROBLEM. every time the son comes over he hugs the post hole digger and says I LOVE YOU :-laf:-laf Ill bet they have dug at least 300 post holes with it and next spring have more time for LOVE WITH THE POST HOLE DIGGER :-laf:-laf

HH we have a REALLY good farm/ranch supply house in town it was going to be a tractor supply and the deal somehow fell thru so the man that owns it and his son said fine and have done the town right by having MOST ANYTHING that might be needed on a day to day basis and can get anything you might want within a day or so. Now if we could just get a GOOD feed store.

 

[Bill Stockard]

Thanks for the link Bill got some good info from the gate maker. Son is looking to find a different way to make some low cost fence that would stand up and look good. Found some on the post you gave for the gate people. We can get Peeler Logs cheap and they are treated the picture is what he is going to do. Im running short on my drill casing fence post and want to save what I have for ME. But the Peeler log looks good and the 1 1/4 inch Galvanized fence rail isnt that bad cost wise. Just need to talk to GHarman about welding Galvanized pipe with my Welder. The muffler shop in town said that they can bend the pipe to form the ends of my gate they have done it for themselves its light cheap and holds up great in the MT winters. I think that we might put the fence across the front of our property to make it match the gate.



Like yours my Gate opener said she's getting a little tired of getting out of a nice warm car to open the gate when its -0*



BIG

I got a quote from Priefert for a fence like that across the front of our place. It's expensive! It was too far above our budget so I stayed with the old conventional barbed wire fence with tee posts and a treated wood line post every 100-ft to help prevent it from eventually leaning.



Bill

 

[GHarman]

Hey BIG, 6010 or 6011 rod will work good with galvanized. Its better if you grind it off first, but not neccessary. Just turn the heat up a tad more than you would normally run for whatever size electrode your*running (probly 3/32 for pipe). Then if your worried about makin it look purdy you can cover the 6010 with some 7018. I would highly suggest wearing a respirator with cartridges if your going to be welding alot of it, you can become very sick from over exposure of galvanac fumes. High fevers, nausea, dry/sore throat, then youll start hacking some nasty ***** up outta your lungs that youve never seen before. And thats just the short term effects
Almost forgot, theyve got galvanic paint it comes in gallons and even spray cans to cover up the welds and whatever you may burn off to keep from rusting.

BIG
Respirator with metallic fume rated canisters and a fan to move air away from your breathing zone, if you are inside, doors open! If you are welding thin wall tube, like EMT to EMT? I would use 6013 or 7014. You wont blow holes in the joint. 6010/6011 are high penetrating rods, so you need to plan accordingly(tight fit up, move fast) if you use this family of welding rods. IMHO, the best situation would be to get a wire feed welding machine and run gasless flux core 0. 30" wire. This stuff is easy to control and will create a better and faster weld on thinwall/thinwall or thick to thin joints, butt or fillet welds. You will still need to grind and fit up the joints as well as clean the steel back away from the weld joint!. You wont get it all, but the prep will make the welding easier. A flap wheel radial grinding disc and wire brush will help with the prep. Wire brush off the welds before recoating with galvanic paint! Dont paint over weld smoke and residue.
You will still see zinc flowers and curlycues around the weld zone as it is embedded in the steel. Dont breathe that crap! You think the flu is BAD?
GregH
Welding

 

[BIGNASTY]

I got a quote from Priefert for a fence like that across the front of our place. It's expensive! It was too far above our budget so I stayed with the old conventional barbed wire fence with tee posts and a treated wood line post every 100-ft to help prevent it from eventually leaning.



Bill

The main cost will be the fence poles the peeler logs are cheap at our lumber mill in town, Was told by the hardware store the more galvinized pipe we buy the cheaper it will be he will work with us on the quanity discount. Barbed wire is what is across the front now

BIG

Respirator with metallic fume rated canisters and a fan to move air away from your breathing zone, if you are inside, doors open! If you are welding thin wall tube, like EMT to EMT? I would use 6013 or 7014. You wont blow holes in the joint. 6010/6011 are high penetrating rods, so you need to plan accordingly(tight fit up, move fast) if you use this family of welding rods. IMHO, the best situation would be to get a wire feed welding machine and run gasless flux core 0. 30" wire. This stuff is easy to control and will create a better and faster weld on thinwall/thinwall or thick to thin joints, butt or fillet welds. You will still need to grind and fit up the joints as well as clean the steel back away from the weld joint!. You wont get it all, but the prep will make the welding easier. A flap wheel radial grinding disc and wire brush will help with the prep. Wire brush off the welds before recoating with galvanic paint! Dont paint over weld smoke and residue.

You will still see zinc flowers and curlycues around the weld zone as it is embedded in the steel. Dont breathe that crap! You think the flu is BAD?

GregH

Welding

Thanks Gman I will have to get the FIL's wire feed over its a gas motor ran rig. I remeber what you said about welding Galvanized when I built my shed cover trusses have the resperator ready to go. Didnt know about galvanic paint ??? learn something new all the time.

 

[GHarman]

The Galvanic paint is not as bullet proof as the factory hot dipped coatings. However, its the next best thing!
GregH

 

[GHarman]

The Galvanic paint is not as bullet proof as the factory hot dipped coatings. However, its the next best thing!

GregH

 

[JR]

BIG

6010/6011 are high penetrating rods

Isnt that what we want GHarman :-laf:-laf Ive been geared towards heavier pipe the last few years (sch 80 and 120) and did not consider the 6010 would be too hot, my apologies. Your absolutely right if the pipe is more like tubing (exhaust pipe comes to mind) and not pipe MIG with self shielded flux core would be the ideal way to weld it out, providing he can get power to it out in the boons. I always thought the gas shield produced cleaner welds, and kept the material cooler which is important when welding thinner gauged metal, but probably wont be very practical out in a pasture. If you do go the MIG route you will most definitely have to buff the galvanized coating down, MIG wire wont burn through it like like a 5p will and it wont be as purdy either

 

[GHarman]

diesel4life,

Not sure what BIG plans to use, but I did read about a "Light Weight Gate"! If you are welding Schedule 40 pipe like Rigid threaded conduit(without the threads). Definitely, the 5P and 6011 would be preferable with poor fit up and heavier wall pipe. If the fitup is well done and properly cleaned? That wire feed with the gasless flux core will run rings around stick, where deep penetration is not necessary. Properly beveled joints will make the job go far faster and give adequate reinforcement.

If there are flaws? You can go back later with the 5P and 7018 and make repairs, if necessary! You definitely must clean the weld area and remove the galvanized coating down to bare metal! A little more prep and far less time breathing fumes!

But if all you have is stick? Go for it!

With saddle joints(Branch joint or a "T-Y joint") such as the cross members on a gate to the main frame of the gate, it is all fillet welds. Perfect for a wire feeder. With the thicker walled pipe, just bevel the fish mouth on the branch to allow penetration. I'm sure you know this? But a picture is worth 1000 words. The thing I would change from the picture is a 30* bevel on vertical branch piece where it fits over the horizontal "run"!

http://www.instructables.com/id/Making-perfect-pipe-Saddle-cuts-with-a-bandsaw-or-/

Course this is BIG pipe! But the fit up is the similar on pipe or tube, depending on whether the joint is a structural "on" such as we have in the picture or an "IN" such as ASME Boiler and Pressure vessel requirements.



BIG,

You could make those "plugs" out of Black iron pipe that will nest inside the galvanized pipe?

You are just using them as a locator? IMHO, you are creating more work for yourself with no structural reinforcement.





Another shortcut is making a wraparound cardboard template with one side straight and a traceable joint on the other side. That way, you can trace out the joint, in the field and porta-band saw it or torch cut it right where you are working. A little touch up with the grinder and you are ready to tack and weld!

Heres a few pictures to give you some ideas!

Google "Pipe joint templates" and look at the picture gallery.

GregH

 

[BIGNASTY]

Was talking to FIL about the project he was wanting to continue the fence from ours to his and build a gate for his property also, as he, I and BIL are all neighbors the fence would all match from property to property. I dont know the model number of the welder but its a Miller wire feed gas engine that is mobile its a bobcat? bearcat? something like that im sure that it will weld the project he used it to build the smoker out of a propane tank it has a argon tank but like the one I use to have the wire can be changed to what ever you need. I sold mine when we moved to MT because it didnt have a engine it was a stationary plug in and that baby sucked some serious power that I COULD but dont have handy here unless I ran the generator. That was the reason for buying the Lincoln SA 200 THAT'S A WELDER!!!!:-laf just a different kind should get me a little Miller,Hobart or something on that order for light welding.

Looks like another project for the spring time :-laf FIL/Son said Your going to be one busy guy come spring thaw. :-laf (so what's new ) at least the days are longer most of the summer it dont get dark until 10 pm

He has a plasma cutter that can make quick work of any cutting that needs to be done.

 

[GHarman]

Bobcat, Big! Good Machine!
That should do what you want! Just dont breathe the fumes!
Good Luck!
GregH

 

[BIGNASTY]

Another idea and NO welding and if a car runs off the road like they do every winter and goes into the fence easy to repair could hide the sleeve in the peeler long fence post.

 

[GHarman]

Yep! Thats a good way to do it. Just need solid support posts spaced correctly so all the load is not on the couplers!

 

[Newt]

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[Moe]

Unfortunately whether on chain or off dogs are considered an attractive nuisance and you will probably lose in a lawsuit. I lost both times. One dog got the mailman (just an ankle nip)> The St Bernard bit the rotten neighbor kid who was hitting him with rocks and a board. Insurance settled most of the suit and I paid the rest. Moved out of town and still have big dogs. Moe

 

[BIGNASTY]

Unfortunately whether on chain or off dogs are considered an attractive nuisance and you will probably lose in a lawsuit. I lost both times. One dog got the mailman (just an ankle nip)> The St Bernard bit the rotten neighbor kid who was hitting him with rocks and a board. Insurance settled most of the suit and I paid the rest. Moved out of town and still have big dogs. Moe

Moe

I think that is based upon where one lives. When we lived in So Calif your above post would have been true when we lived there our dogs were taken to the mountains near buy so they could be DOG'S!!! Others had the same idea but not the same control of their dogs. We were riding our horse/Mule and going camping a backpacker had his dog OFF LEASH and I had no problems with that because our's were also off leash. We stopped and I whistled and my dogs were at the side of the animals. His dog came running to us we got off of the animals nothing is worse than a 1k of animal trying to defend its self WITH ME ON TOP OF IT. His dog decided to go after Daisy my mule and got kicked for doing so. Upon which the dog owner got in my face about it. A few F you's and suck my D's later I said LOOK GET YOUR DOG AND GET THE F AWAY OR YOUR GOING TO GET THE SAME THING YOUR DOG JUST GOT!!!! He went down to the Forest Service and reported me to them and the Sheriff. When we got back to the equestrian campground they wanted to arrest me, I had no problem with that but the other guy needed to go also. His dog didnt live when my mule kicked it, it died he tried to sue but sense the dog was off leash he was at fault my mule was acting in self defense.



On the other hand up here in MT when we first moved here we were in town having breakfast WATCHING TOURIST'S I know sound's like fun IT IS if you have never done it try it IT'S GREAT FUN!!! a local guy was riding his horse thru town and a tourist open his car door and his dog ran out after the horse (mind you this was at the edge of town) the horse rider pulled his side arm and shot the dog. NO BIG DEAL TO THE LOCALS but the tourist was beyond belief that this could happen. He called the sheriff when he arrived the tourist was sited for a leash law violation!!! I think that it depends on WHERE YOU LIVE as to the outcome of a dog problem. Up here if YOU cant CONTROL your DOG someone else WILL and im sure that most wont like the method of CONTROL.

 

[The patriot]

My door bell.

 

[The patriot]

My door bell.

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[Moe]

Fantastic looking sherherd!!!

 

[The patriot]

Thanks! That pic is a few years old, she's starting to get pretty grey. She's 9 years old now.
Got her from europe.

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

Moe
I think that is based upon where one lives.

On the other hand up here in MT when we first moved here we were in town having breakfast WATCHING TOURIST'S I know sound's like fun IT IS if you have never done it try it IT'S GREAT FUN!!! a local guy was riding his horse thru town and a tourist open his car door and his dog ran out after the horse (mind you this was at the edge of town) the horse rider pulled his side arm and shot the dog. NO BIG DEAL TO THE LOCALS but the tourist was beyond belief that this could happen. He called the sheriff when he arrived the tourist was sited for a leash law violation!!! I think that it depends on WHERE YOU LIVE as to the outcome of a dog problem. Up here if YOU cant CONTROL your DOG someone else WILL and im sure that most wont like the method of CONTROL.

I LOVE that story - and all such story's with a happy and appropriate ending!