Internet Explorer 10 Issues on Website

[TDRadmin]

Internet Explorer 10 users - Microsoft's recent update broke the navigation menu, and this is the work-around until we can come up with a fix on our end:



Go to the main page:

www.turbodieselregister.com

In IE 10:

Press Alt key to highlight the menu bar.

Choose F12 developer tools

Click on Browser Mode: select IE9



We are working on a fix.



Robin Patton

TDR Admin

 

[p-Bar]

What a bunch of garbage. Firefox all the way

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

What a bunch of garbage. Firefox all the way

Perhaps - IF you automatically assume it's an IE issue, rather than the board software...

When IE10 works on 999. 9% of the Internet websites, WHY is it *Microsoft's problem* when a scant HANDFUL of board operating systems prove to be troublesome?

I'll guarantee you the problem between THIS board and IE10 lies in Microsoft's ongoing attempts to update Internet security, and protect individual users from hackers and identity theft - and which would MOST users prefer - Internet OS that allows both you AND the many devious individuals free and smooth access - or one that protects your PC against unwanted and unauthorized outside access?

And WHO'S responsibility IS it to provide programs that properly mesh with OS's like IE10 - Microsoft - or the developers of the THOUSANDS of individual programs running on PC's? Microsoft offers and provides developer assistance and guidelines for development of software intended to run with their Internet software - but they can't FORCE those outside vendors to comply - and when they don't, THIS is what we get!

IF you were a tire manufacturer, and wanted to design a new tire to run on a 2013 Dodge truck, is it YOUR responsibility as a tire developer to design a tire that will actually FIT on a 2013 Dodge wheel - or will you loudly blame Dodge for not manufacturing wheels to fit YOUR specific aftermarket tire design? Should Dodge be required or expected to offer the HUNDREDS of different wheel sizes - just so any, every and ALL tires made can fit on Dodge trucks?

Firefox and Chrome let you into this board freely? What ELSE are they letting into your PC that you might NOT be aware of, or appreciate?

 

[HBarlow]

I tried IE-10 twice and found it completely incompatible with TDR software but not other website software that I commonly use. I use and enjoy TDR so I deleted IE-10 (twice) and continue using IE-9 so I can use TDR.

I am not knowledgeable of computer programs and programming issues so express no opinions and offer no advice but will say I am extremely disappointed with the performance of TDR's new software.

 

[p-Bar]

Gary as you see I am anti Microsoft they have bullied and put out of business their competition with their wolf pack of lawyers and money ... ... it's still garbage

 

[MLee]

With the change and ever since I have a had a glitch, I leave and come back and it works fine but am glad to hear that I'm not the only one.

 

[HBarlow]

I wonder if Microsoft's "ownership" of the internet was influenced any by the hundreds of millions of computer and software buyers who prefer Microsoft programs over any others?

 

[Jim W]

I am having the same issue with this forum and the myturbodiesel.com which is the VW site. On the TDR home page on the LH side all the way down is a box that ask the question; Already a member? Click here to login. I have been using this to log in to the site. Will keep using this until the site is up and running correctly again.

Thanks

Jim W.

 

[p-Bar]

I wonder if Microsoft's "ownership" of the internet was influenced any by the hundreds of millions of computer and software buyers who prefer Microsoft programs over any others?

Well HB when Microsoft sold their OS to the computer makers it was neatly crafted by their lawyers " all computers shipped was charged by Microsoft " so their better OS's out there but the computer manufacterers had their hands tied . As time goes on they will be taking a backseat can't stay on top forever.

 

[HBarlow]

I believe that if something better had been available computer manufacturers would have used it and many computer buyers/users would have deleted their MS operating software and loaded something else. Markets are always driven by individual consumer choices in a free market. Lawyers and contracts can make only minor differences.

If a majority of buyer/users eventually decide another product is better they will dump MS.

 

[p-Bar]

I believe that if something better had been available computer manufacturers would have used it and many computer buyers/users would have deleted their MS operating software and loaded something else. Markets are always driven by individual consumer choices in a free market. Lawyers and contracts can make only minor differences.

If a majority of buyer/users eventually decide another product is better they will dump MS.

HB contracts were written "any computer shipped out of their facility with or without " so why would they double buy OS's ???

 

[mainer29]

"Firefox and Chrome let you into this board freely? What ELSE are they letting into your PC that you might NOT be aware of, or appreciate?"
Numerous IT studies have shown the probability of getting infected using Internet Explorer are higher than using other browsers. https://www.csis.dk/en/csis/news/3321/
Here is another survey on Chrome browser and the Black Hole kit. http://www.bluecoat.com/security-blog/2012-12-05/blackhole-kit-doesnt-chrome
What is the black hole kit. http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/B/blackhole_exploit_kit.html
How about the Survey by the German office for IT security tests vulnerability of Windows systems. http://www.h-online.com/security/ne...vulnerability-of-Windows-systems-1749013.html

 

[HBarlow]

HB contracts were written "any computer shipped out of their facility with or without " so why would they double buy OS's ???

I don't know the answers to any details you may offer as support for your opinion and really don't have any interest in the questions or answers.

My point is this: With any products and services sold in a free market economy buyers make the choices. The only factor that can change that is the involvement of a corrupt government attempting to regulate the market.

I have no idea what details caused computer manufacturers to install MS operating software but if computer manufacturers had believed their customers would not buy their products they would have done something else.

In any free market consumers not lawyers and contracts make the rules.

 

[JHumphries]

I can't use carriage return when posting. The 'Enter' key has no effect. Using 'Compatibility View' makes everything function normally, though.

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

"Firefox and Chrome let you into this board freely? What ELSE are they letting into your PC that you might NOT be aware of, or appreciate?"

Numerous IT studies have shown the probability of getting infected using Internet Explorer are higher than using other browsers. https://www.csis.dk/en/csis/news/3321/
Here is another survey on Chrome browser and the Black Hole kit. http://www.bluecoat.com/security-blog/2012-12-05/blackhole-kit-doesnt-chrome
What is the black hole kit. http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/B/blackhole_exploit_kit.html
How about the Survey by the German office for IT security tests vulnerability of Windows systems. http://www.h-online.com/security/ne...vulnerability-of-Windows-systems-1749013.html

The "studies" pointed to, are pretty universal in 2 areas:

1. They IGNORE the fact that that sheer numbers of PC's operating with a Windows OS automatically increase the numbers of those PC's to be targeted as compared to the far lesser numbers of PC's running other OS or Internet software - which auto maker is likely to have more accidents in the USA, Ford, or Yugo? Most likely Ford, since they have a few more vehicles on the road than Yugo...

2. They have focused upon failures occuring on PC's that have FAILED to upgrade software for at least a year:

The other was configured, as many computers are, with Windows updated to the latest version via Windows Update, but with Adobe Reader, Flash, Java and LibreOffice versions which were at least a year old.

And what happens when MS and related software IS properly installed and updated?

In 10 cases, security vulnerabilities on the vulnerable system were successfully exploited, but infection was blocked by MSE. On the secure system, the absence of security vulnerabilities meant there was not a single successful attack.

In my own personal experience, what I can state for certain, is that I have run IE9, and currently IE10, on XP, Vista, and currently Windows 7, without ANY virus or related infections or issues other than THIS, and one single other board running seriously outdated software - and also Firefox and Chrome on all those same OS's, and I and my daughter have experienced SEVERAL nasty infections when using Chrome and Firefox. The MS browsers have been CONTINUALLY automatically updated as new Internet threats have steadily been introduced, yet, neither Firefox or Chrome have YET, to the best of my knowledge, EVER offered or provided updates by their developers! This means either of 2 possibilities:

!. (IF you're foolish enough to believe it!) Firefox and Chrome were so marvelously designed and developed from the beginning as to never NEED security updates. or (more likely),

2. They have sacrificed security for speed and seamless function with as many websites and applications as possible (as well as to the occasional devious infiltrators)...

Back to the purpose of THIS thread - It would seem pretty obvious that there's an incompatibility issue between the latest board software upgrade, and MS OS - most currently, IE10 - and the glaring question is, WHO'S responsible for that compatibility - MS, or the aftermarket board software - or perhaps the Administrator of this board for activating a function that is no longer permissible under the latest board software parameters...

 

[JJPage]

The "studies" pointed to, are pretty universal in 2 areas:

1. They IGNORE the fact that that sheer numbers of PC's operating with a Windows OS automatically increase the numbers of those PC's to be targeted as compared to the far lesser numbers of PC's running other OS or Internet software - which auto maker is likely to have more accidents in the USA, Ford, or Yugo? Most likely Ford, since they have a few more vehicles on the road than Yugo...

2. They have focused upon failures occuring on PC's that have FAILED to upgrade software for at least a year:



And what happens when MS and related software IS properly installed and updated?



In my own personal experience, what I can state for certain, is that I have run IE9, and currently IE10, on XP, Vista, and currently Windows 7, without ANY virus or related infections or issues other than THIS, and one single other board running seriously outdated software - and also Firefox and Chrome on all those same OS's, and I and my daughter have experienced SEVERAL nasty infections when using Chrome and Firefox. The MS browsers have been CONTINUALLY automatically updated as new Internet threats have steadily been introduced, yet, neither Firefox or Chrome have YET, to the best of my knowledge, EVER offered or provided updates by their developers! This means either of 2 possibilities:

!. (IF you're foolish enough to believe it!) Firefox and Chrome were so marvelously designed and developed from the beginning as to never NEED security updates. or (more likely),

2. They have sacrificed security for speed and seamless function with as many websites and applications as possible (as well as to the occasional devious infiltrators)...

Back to the purpose of THIS thread - It would seem pretty obvious that there's an incompatibility issue between the latest board software upgrade, and MS OS - most currently, IE10 - and the glaring question is, WHO'S responsible for that compatibility - MS, or the aftermarket board software - or perhaps the Administrator of this board for activating a function that is no longer permissible under the latest board software parameters...

Gary, What are you using for security, that has allowed the viruses you and yours have experienced? I have Windows 7 home premium on my Toshiba laptop, and have been using Chrome as my default browser for close to 2 years now. I use Microsoft Security Essentials which Scans and updates automatically, so far, so good. Jess

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

I'm using Microsoft Security Essentials, which downloads security updates to users DAILY to cope with the never-ending flood of newly released viruses and spybots sent out by the bad guys...

I was using ZoneAlarm and Chrome with Vista and XP when the issues mentioned earlier occurred and so was our daughter, who had some REAL virus issues in email with Firefox...

Haven't had ANY issues since installing it - and I also have MalwareBytes and Spybot Search and Destroy loaded and active - we live in a very rural area, and do most all our various business, bill-paying and merchandise ordering over the Internet, so we really can't afford to risk our personal, sensitive info to any known weak OS or browsers...

So far, IE, along with the above mentioned software, has provided the best mix of performance and protection - not necessarily saying it's the best, just the best and most versatile I've used so far.

I like the SPEED of Chrome, just not real sure of it's real-world, across-the-board protection.

And yeah, I realize MS-bashing is almost as popular as Ford bashing ...

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

Internet Explorer 10 users - Microsoft's recent update broke the navigation menu, and this is the work-around until we can come up with a fix on our end:



Go to the main page:

www.turbodieselregister.com

In IE 10:

Press Alt key to highlight the menu bar.

Choose F12 developer tools

Click on Browser Mode: select IE9



We are working on a fix.



Robin Patton

TDR Admin

OR, you can simply look up there at the top of the IE10 screen for the "Compatibility view" icon in the Internet Address box, click on it, and problem GONE...