Walmart Biodiesel

[navyjoe]

Went to fill up at Murphy's at the local Walmart in Greeneville TN. the other day and saw the BIO sticker. Did not have my camera to take a picture but it said something to effect that it may/does contain anywhere from 5 to 20 % biofuel or something like that. Sorry I can't be more specific. Need to go back a snap a picture.



I passed it up since I have an 06 and I think Dodge says a max of 5%. I also have a 2012 VW diesel. Anyone know the real story on this?

 

[B.G. Smith]

Saw it here too but I believe it said 5%. bg

 

[Jim W]

I too am concerned with this also since my 2011 VW and my 08 Ram both say a maximum of 5% Bio-Diesel fuel. The local Murphy (Wal-Mart) station is still straight diesel the last time I checked. Also the local Meijer Grocery store filling station is straight diesel this is where I usually fill up at.



I believe that the EPA is requiring the use of renewable fuels in both gasoline and diesel. So the refineries most comply with the EPA requirements. Some states have their own agenda such as MN, where they are requiring at least 10% bio-diesel to be sold.



Here is the EPA web site link to renewable fuels:

Renewable and Alternative Fuels | Fuels and Fuel Additives | US EPA



Also the EPA leveled a hefty fine against some refineries for not making Bio-diesel using renewable source even though they are not available. How is that for the BIG Brother helping us. ?

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/10/b...-fines-for-not-using-unavailable-biofuel.html



Jim W.

 

[BIGNASTY]

BIO IS NOT ALL BAD JMO



Lubricity Benefits

Percent Biodiesel HFRR Scar (microns)*

Number 2 Number 1

0. 0 536 671

0. 4 481 649

1. 0 321 500

2. 0 322 355

20. 0 314 318

100. 0 314 314

*Results provided by Stanadyne Automotive Corp.

For the Number 2 diesel fuel, 1% biodiesel was sufficient to achieve the desired increase in lubricity, while the Number 1 diesel fuel took almost 2%. In addition, the data show that most of the lubricity benefits of the biodiesel were achieved by adding only 2% biodiesel to either Number 1 or Number 2 diesel.

Based on the HFRR testing run by Stanadyne, and testing from other laboratories showing similar results, Stanadyne Automotive has stated:

“…. we have tested biodiesel at Stanadyne and results indicate that the inclusion of 2% biodiesel into any conventional diesel fuel will be sufficient to address the lubricity concerns that we have with these existing diesel fuels. From our standpoint, inclusion of biodiesel is desirable for two reasons. First it would eliminate the inherent variability associated with the use of other additives and whether sufficient additive was used to make the fuel fully lubricious. Second, we consider biodiesel a fuel or fuel component—not an additive…Thus if more biodiesel is added than required to increase lubricity, there will not be the adverse consequences that might be seen if other lubricity additives are dosed at too high a rate. ”

The reasoning behind Stanadyne’s support of 2% biodiesel makes biodiesel an ideal solution to the existing lubricity problem with diesel fuel—while supporting other environmental, energy security, and economic development initiatives. As EPA forces the further removal of sulfur from diesel fuel in 2006, which will undoubtedly worsen fuel lubricity, the concentration of biodiesel can be raised to that necessary to fully protect this future fuel as well.

Additional lubricity testing has been performed on biodiesel at Southwest Research Institute4 (see figure 11 attached) using an updated BOCLE apparatus (Scuffing Load BOCLE), on CARB fuel, EPA fuel, as well as Jet A-1 fuel. Jet A-1 fuel is similar to Number 1 diesel fuel or kerosene. For the Scuffing Load BOCLE, a higher load capacity indicates

 

[RobertHiltz]

Cummins had a independent lab do testing about the time ULSD was going to start selling. They found 5% Bio to be better than any other additives for lubricity in ULSD. I am impressed with your Stanadyne Automotive Corp report as their results would not help sell their own product for that specific issue. Indicates to me they were honest in their testing.

 

[Jim W]

The problem with most stations selling Bio-Diesel is the percentages of the Bio-Diesel they are selling. The label will state that the Bio-Diesel content could be between 5% and 20%, so you really do not know how much Bio-Diesel you are actually getting.

This is why I tend to stay away from Bio-Diesel stations, if I could be sure that you are only getting 5% than I would use this once in awhile.

Just my $0. 02.

Jim W.

 

[BIGNASTY]

I think that the dispensing of fuel's HAS TO BE A LITTLE MORE ACCURATE than that. Could be is not IN MY view getting what you pay for. Go to the Department of Weights and Measures and ask about COULD BE Ill bet you that it wont be COULD BE FOR VERY LONG. As far as using it once in a while get use to using it all the time more and more states are mandating B5

 

[BIGNASTY]

Found it

Found this chart that I have been using it was printed for VW to get the correct mix on Bio 20 and 100 + D2 as lube additive. I like taking my own Bio 100 to mix with station D2 because I know that where I get my Bio to use as lube is GOOD TO GO. and not put in by a company that is less than enthusiastic about quality of their product. I use B100 to D2 mix.



The BIO product that I use has the ASTM D 6751 Certification on it .





BioDiesel Mix Ratios Table for Lubricity



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Hi... I know this general topic (i. e. , how much B20 to get a 2% mix) has come up recently in other threads. I did a search and couldn't find a previous version of something like this table so thought I'd post in case it's helpful to folks trying to use B20 or B100 mixed with D2 as an additive to increase lubricity.



Basically allows you to understand the percent Bio you'll have in your tank with various amount of B100 or B20 mixed together with various amounts of D2. It lists commonly used amounts of B100 (32 oz. & 48 oz. ) and B20 (1, 2, and 3 gallons).



The color coding is just a visual indicator for VW's limitation of 5% Bio for the new CR engines (MkVI). Red indicates above the 5% limitation. Yellow indicates below the 2% level that (IIRC) the Spicer testing indicated.



Enjoy...

 

[MikeW.]

While in town I stopped at Walmart to top off the '05 and noticed in the last week they switched to bio-diesel, label says anywhere from B5 to B20 and the price per gallon went up to boot. Since I had just over 1/2 a tank I put in 12 gallons and hoped for the best as the manual says B5 max and the next trip to the VA will use up a quarter tank. Next I guess I'll check Shell and see what they have.

 

[Tractorat]

I think that the dispensing of fuel's HAS TO BE A LITTLE MORE ACCURATE than that. Could be is not IN MY view getting what you pay for. Go to the Department of Weights and Measures and ask about COULD BE Ill bet you that it wont be COULD BE FOR VERY LONG. As far as using it once in a while get use to using it all the time more and more states are mandating B5

A couple of years ago a local mercedes dealer did some testing on local gas station for ethanol content. They found a few to be around 10%, but they found many to be 15%, 20%, and the highest to be 25%. It just is not consistant.

 

[JR]

They accidentally dumped an entire tanker of pure ethanol into the ground at a gas station in Cleveland a few months ago. Dozens of cars filled up and made it a few blocks before the 5hit hit the fan :-laf

 

[MikeW.]

While in town I stopped at Walmart to top off the '05 and noticed in the last week they switched to bio-diesel, label says anywhere from B5 to B20 and the price per gallon went up to boot. Since I had just over 1/2 a tank I put in 12 gallons and hoped for the best as the manual says B5 max and the next trip to the VA will use up a quarter tank. Next I guess I'll check Shell and see what they have.

Back in town yesterday and the label does say anywhere from B5 to B20. Checked the Shell next to them and it is straight diesel for 2 cents more.

 

[EDankievitch]

Use the BIO-Diesel change your fuel filters after the 2nd tank and be happy. I've been running Bio in my trucks for over 9 years. Burns much cleaner (nice popcorn odor) and as per the National BioDiesel councel it allows the DPF and Cat's used in our trucks to light off at lower temp's.