2016. Is it the last year for a Ram Cummims?

[TCDiesel]

No, displacement, You have 8 holes using fuel at every Stop, at idle. You also have more rotating mass, again less efficient.

 

[Ozymandias]

What is to say, to hold the rigorous emissions standards IT IS indispensable to use that specific oil - but wont hurt your engines nor the whole exhaust things if you use any other low ash oil that is recommended by the oil manufacturer for such engines.

As I mentioned in other threads to this specific technology, it is not new to me, we life since close to 10 years with all this stuff.

 

[Doubleclutch]

Didn't we have this conversation before, when Daimler owned Chrysler? They also have a diesel that would fit the Dodge engine compartment, and Cummins is still here!- Greg

 

[kthaxton]

Are saying it's physically too big? 'cause the engine compartments between the 1500 and 2500 should be the same size. The v8 should also be shorter than the inline6 in the HD trucks, though wider.

As TC alluded to, it just doesn't make sense to have an engine with that much torque in a 1500 when economy is the goal. That 5.0 makes somewhere around 555 ft/lbs, as much as the high output 5.9's from the early '00's, you might as well just get a 2500 with a 6.7. Going to a smaller Diesel makes much more sense for Ram... amazing torque for its size AND good mileage.

It is much more logical for someone like Nissan who doesn't offer a 3/4 ton, to have something a bit stronger.

 

[Bill Stockard]

It could also be engine weight. With CAFE regulations ever closer, moving weight is a big problem when trying to obtain fuel efficiency. It's why the use of aluminum body panels on the new F150 Ford... moving less weight allows more fuel efficient engines to achieve improved fuel mileage.

Bill

 

[Ram4Sam]

As I approach my 25th year driving a Dodge/Ram Cummins, it makes me wonder how many times I read that the Cummins was going away........and didn't.

Sam

 

[NWatchel]

Interesting topic and very possible that Ram might switch to Fiat as they have a 6.7 road ready Diesel and have been using it world wide for some years. I'm not sure how this would affect Ram sales in the USA, but I for one will follow Cummins whereever it goes or stays except Nissan!!

gtwitch in wyoming

The Fiat 6.7 and the Cummins 6.7 are essentially the same engine. It's the same difference as the Ferd Powerjoke / Navistar (IH) stuff.
(I work for a Case IH dealer btw...) If you look at the engine timing cases they all have Cummins CPL and serial numbers...however if you stab that into Cummins Quickserve, you can look up the parts, but when you call the Cummins dealers they always say "go see the Case IH or New Holland guys"
The 2 physical differences in the engines for Industrial and AG use are 1- most of the time the injection pump is driven off of the flywheel housing and 2- the blocks are way heavier as they are in some cases used as a stressed member of the tractor.

 

[Mingoglia]

The Fiat 6.7 and the Cummins 6.7 are essentially the same engine. It's the same difference as the Ferd Powerjoke / Navistar (IH) stuff.
(I work for a Case IH dealer btw...) If you look at the engine timing cases they all have Cummins CPL and serial numbers...however if you stab that into Cummins Quickserve, you can look up the parts, but when you call the Cummins dealers they always say "go see the Case IH or New Holland guys"
The 2 physical differences in the engines for Industrial and AG use are 1- most of the time the injection pump is driven off of the flywheel housing and 2- the blocks are way heavier as they are in some cases used as a stressed member of the tractor.

That's interesting info to know.

 

[Bill Stockard]

The Fiat 6.7 and the Cummins 6.7 are essentially the same engine. It's the same difference as the Ferd Powerjoke / Navistar (IH) stuff.
(I work for a Case IH dealer btw...) If you look at the engine timing cases they all have Cummins CPL and serial numbers...however if you stab that into Cummins Quickserve, you can look up the parts, but when you call the Cummins dealers they always say "go see the Case IH or New Holland guys"
The 2 physical differences in the engines for Industrial and AG use are 1- most of the time the injection pump is driven off of the flywheel housing and 2- the blocks are way heavier as they are in some cases used as a stressed member of the tractor.

I had a suspicion that the Fiat badged Case-IH 6.7L engine and the Cummins 6.7L were the same. The rear driven gear train is typical of Cummins 6.7L engines used in various industrial and truck applications. I understand there is possibly a different engine block is used in some tractor applications when there is no side rail frame and a rigid engine block must provide part of the frame. My Kubota tractors are built with the engine block providing part of the tractor frame.

Does the CPL tag on the engine show the country of manufacture?

Bill

 

[Ozymandias]

@Bill

Search for "Tector Engine", then you'll find some Info.
There's no Cummins Tag on this Engines.
I owned one it.

Ozy

 

[Bill Stockard]

@Bill

Search for "Tector Engine", then you'll find some Info.
There's no Cummins Tag on this Engines.
I owned one it.

Ozy

I did. Thanks for the reference. The "Tector 6.7L" engine in its current ratings doesn't measure up compared to our Cummins 6.7L in both the horsepower and torque ratings. Those specifications are probably lower for continuous ratings, not intermittent. However, I did notice no EGR, but I suppose that qualifies for European regulations.

Bill

 

[Ozymandias]

That's because this are Medium Trucks, good for 7-15 metric Tons and a Trailer with the same weight, so they are rated for 100% Duty Cycle.
I had mine a little pushed with a tuner.

 

[Ozymandias]

ad. EGR - IVECO/FPT is the ONLY European Engine Manufacturer that can beat the Euro6 Emissions Standart without EGR, every other (Scania, Mercedes, Volvo, Renault, DAF) needs it. Magic or just better engineering??

 

[rashwor]

Off subject, but it will be interesting to see what mileage the cummins gets in the Nissan.

 

[DGamelin]

Have you seen the Toyota with Cummins 5.0 in. I understand it will be out for 2016. There is a lot of articles with pictures about it. Same setup as Nissan.

 

[Deleted member 995608]

So Toyota and Nissan both have trucks with the very same 5.0 Cummins engine? That's pretty dumb. Especially if the engine bombs.

 

[Shadrach]

So Toyota and Nissan both have trucks with the very same 5.0 Cummins engine? That's pretty dumb. Especially if the engine bombs.

Now why would you say that? You can get a Cummins ISX15 in a KW, a Pete, a Mack, a Freightliner just to name a few so why not two different pick ups. I know it's a new concept to the "car/pickup" market, but it has been around for decades in the HD trucks.

Have you no faith in Cummins at all? Why would you even suggest that the engine might "bomb"?

Just my humble thoughts

David

 

[Mingoglia]

Ford owns Cummins.

Sorry, couldn't resist. Seemed like the appropriate thread for this. LOL Carry-on my people.

 

[TJJEEPER]

I love all this talk about Cummins leaving the Ram line...

When I was working in construction we had a saying "If you haven't' heard a rumor by noon, start one"

Appears like it's still in effect

 

[TDRGuy]

Rumors are good for web traffic.
Perhaps we should start new BS stuff every day.

Oops, not a good idea, don't want to be like others.

RP