Massive emission trouble for VW.

[Ram4Sam]

I have no ill will towards VW for this, they didn't lie to me at all......Our jetta tdi is the first car I have ever bought that actually gets the mileage they said it would, good for them! The "clean diesel" part of the ads meant nothing to me as far as buying a tdi. Of course, the liberal media has and will whip the weak minded masses in to a frenzy, telling them the apocalypse is upon us......all because of a volkswagen. Hopefully the fix for the SCR tdi's won't hurt the mileage and performance much.....we shall see. As for the wimpy little liberal who tries to put a sticker on our jetta, I got a "hot and ready" knuckle sandwich all ready to go....

Sam

 

[Tuesdak]

I have no ill will towards VW for this, they didn't lie to me at all......Our jetta tdi is the first car I have ever bought that actually gets the mileage they said it would, good for them! The "clean diesel" part of the ads meant nothing to me as far as buying a tdi. Of course, the liberal media has and will whip the weak minded masses in to a frenzy, telling them the apocalypse is upon us......all because of a volkswagen. Hopefully the fix for the SCR tdi's won't hurt the mileage and performance much.....we shall see. As for the wimpy little liberal who tries to put a sticker on our jetta, I got a "hot and ready" knuckle sandwich all ready to go....

Sam

The hell with the long term health hazard from this car: Beware of the owner who WILL be immediately hazardous to your health! :-laf

 

[Ram4Sam]

The hell with the long term health hazard from this car: Beware of the owner who WILL be immediately hazardous to your health! :-laf

Something like that.....

Sam

 

[Regcabguy]

I have a 2014 TDI (no SCR) and could care less about the issue. I wish there were more ways to screw the CARB Nazis. We don't have an emissions test for diesels so the state will have to figure out some other way to force me to reprogram.

They might mimic California's system and force proof of the reflash in order to register it.

 

[seafish]

They might mimic California's system and force proof of the reflash in order to register it.

Is that proof requirement going out to owners, like the proof of insurance, or only on sale of vehicle??

 

[Ram4Sam]

I won't lose any sleep over this, what ever fix comes that VW comes up, it is what it is. My '15 jetta has scr just like my truck and will not need anymore hardware, just a ecm flash. Hopefully, mileage and performance won't suffer much. Current mileage is 50ish highway and 35ish city, if it drops 10 percent or so, no big deal. If it is much worse, it will be gone.

One thing though, my bootleg VW and it's current SCR emissions is not near the health hazard that 2003 Ram cummins is.......:-laf

Sam

 

[Mike Ellis]

The VW debacle is bound to bring more scrutiny to the general diesel industry, particularly the "chipping" crowd. I am surprised that the VW engineers went along with the decision to cheat on the tests and have the hidden software, it is a major ethics violation and the guys who were involved should all be fired from top to bottom, and barred from working as engineers in the future. Even if there is no real lasting harm from the emissions, that tactic is a violation of public trust. A major no-no in the engineering world.

It is sad that the very real benefits of diesel engines are ignored as the media swarms into attack mode. It will be interesting to see if South Park does an episode based on VW the way they did with the hybrids...

 

[BarryG]

I just received my little apology letter from VW for my 2015 Golf TDI. They are real sorry about this and will make it right and the vehicle is ok and legal to drive per the EPA statements in September and that they will get back with me once they have an approved final solution and no need to worry they will get back with me blah blah blah. I personally am not sweating it at the moment as mine is a 15 and uses the def fluid so I don't think that model year will be nearly as affected as the previous years but we shall see.

Literally almost everyone I know(and some I don't know) who I have seen since this has asked me what am I going to do? Uh keep driving it, how do I know, don't know what the fix is yet so until then business as usual as far as I am concerned.

Agree 100% with Mike's statements above

 

[MichaelOverfield]

The VW debacle is bound to bring more scrutiny to the general diesel industry, particularly the "chipping" crowd. I am surprised that the VW engineers went along with the decision to cheat on the tests and have the hidden software, it is a major ethics violation and the guys who were involved from should all be fired from top to bottom, and barred from working as engineers in the future. Even if there is no real lasting harm from the emissions, that tactic is a violation of public trust. A major no-no in the engineering world.

It is sad that the very real benefits of diesel engines are ignored as the media swarms into attack mode. It will be interesting to see if South Park does an episode based on VW the way they did with the hybrids...

Very well said, concur completely.. and as an engineer can vouch for you on this. I got rid of my VW over this, but I was on edge with their bad HPFP design and many failures with very expensive repairs, and VW trying to find ways to not cover that cost, and complete denial of issues with the sensitivity of the pump to typical US ULSD fuel.

It is clear to me, the same bean counter pressure that caused the cheat, an article reported the Engineers at VW pushed for the SCR/DEF systems back before the 2009CRs were in the US market, the bean counters said the extra cost of $335 per car was too much.... well the bad HPFP is about half the cost, and $600 cheaper than the better, yet older and proven designs of HPFP like the Chevy Cruze and our Cummins trucks use.. clear to me that cost pressure was present there too. Who knows what else on these cars.. I'm sure VW is not alone is such decisions, but it was time for me to punch out.. Warranty on a VW is about worthless based upon my experience.

The true sadness on this is the decisions made by VW will impact the entire Diesel car segment, and that is really unfortunate indeed.

 

[DonFitzwater]

Very well said, concur completely.. and as an engineer can vouch for you on this. I got rid of my VW over this, but I was on edge with their bad HPFP design and many failures with very expensive repairs, and VW trying to find ways to not cover that cost, and complete denial of issues with the sensitivity of the pump to typical US ULSD fuel.

It is clear to me, the same bean counter pressure that caused the cheat, an article reported the Engineers at VW pushed for the SCR/DEF systems back before the 2009CRs were in the US market, the bean counters said the extra cost of $335 per car was too much.... well the bad HPFP is about half the cost, and $600 cheaper than the better, yet older and proven designs of HPFP like the Chevy Cruze and our Cummins trucks use.. clear to me that cost pressure was present there too. Who knows what else on these cars.. I'm sure VW is not alone is such decisions, but it was time for me to punch out.. Warranty on a VW is about worthless based upon my experience.

The true sadness on this is the decisions made by VW will impact the entire Diesel car segment, and that is really unfortunate indeed.

And you have steered me to a diesel Cruze sir!

 

[GCroyle]

Link from the TDI Club forum http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=448053
Almost 8,000 replies and 860K views. Bet you don't read it all.

 

[Regcabguy]

Is that proof requirement going out to owners, like the proof of insurance, or only on sale of vehicle??

I received my K08 reflash requirement with my registration last time. No reflash,no registration.

 

[Tractorat]

Maybe someone will finally figure out that the epa has gone way way too far and congress will 1st defund the epa, and then maybe reverse some of their asinine requirements. :-laf I doubt it, but one can only hope.

 

[Ram4Sam]

Maybe someone will finally figure out that the epa has gone way way too far and congress will 1st defund the epa, and then maybe reverse some of their asinine requirements. :-laf I doubt it, but one can only hope.

Just like in the Doritos commercial.........when pigs fly.......:-laf

Sam

 

[bhaugen]

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/oct/09/mercedes-honda-mazda-mitsubishi-diesel-emissions-row

I found this article interesting. It appears that other manufacturers in Europe meet the European standard when doing a controlled test, but fail when doing real world testing.

 

[Wayne M.]

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/oct/09/mercedes-honda-mazda-mitsubishi-diesel-emissions-row

I found this article interesting. It appears that other manufacturers in Europe meet the European standard when doing a controlled test, but fail when doing real world testing.

Folks, I'm pretty sure I mentioned this before. People think cars fart rainbows all the time- even in wide open throttle. These enviro wackos and scientists are really going to do the whole industry in. I find it really interesting that it appears that the bottom is finally falling out of climate change- then this happens.

 

[Motorhead]

I bought a new 2012 TDI Sportwagen. The car runs fast. But this lie that VW did to many of us here on the site that own affected TDI's has just blown me away. I am considering joining the class action suit against VW and pressure them to buy the car back or give me a 250,000 mile, unlimited time warranty. Mine has the regen feature and not the DEF.

 

[skiploder]

I bought a new 2012 TDI Sportwagen. The car runs fast. But this lie that VW did to many of us here on the site that own affected TDI's has just blown me away. I am considering joining the class action suit against VW and pressure them to buy the car back or give me a 250,000 mile, unlimited time warranty. Mine has the regen feature and not the DEF.

Yours also has the shrapnel spewing HPFP issue.

We had a 2012 JSW TDI. I now do everything I can to try to steer people away from these cars. In two years of ownership we had the HPFP fail twice (luckily covered under warranty $8K a pop), a cracked DPF and ongoing issues with condensation in the intercooler.

Plus the DSG programming was wacky and buggy.

If we still had the car I'd push for a buy back....too many known issues with these cars that will only get worse with heavier EGR cycling and more regens.

 

[Crunch]

Maybe the real solution to all this would be for some "socially conscious" tech guy at VW to leak the raw code used for programming the cars. Then customers would be able to reprogram them at will--once before the emissions test, and once after they pass the emissions test for whatever configuration they want, be it performance, street racing, fuel economy or emissions.

 

[Bob4x4]

Maybe the real solution to all this would be for some "socially conscious" tech guy at VW to leak the raw code used for programming the cars. Then customers would be able to reprogram them at will--once before the emissions test, and once after they pass the emissions test for whatever configuration they want, be it performance, street racing, fuel economy or emissions.

There are programmers out there..................