Will the 2017 Ram match the 2017 Ford PowerStroke Power ratings?

[Flash1034]

Title says it all. Will the 2017s see a power ratings increase across the board?

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[Flash1034]

I have one on order...I hope so.

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[Cummins2014]

I have one on order...I hope so.

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Does it really matter, our choice was a Cummins. If it mattered to me I would have bought the Powerstroke, which is the higher rated engine.

 

[Flash1034]

We all love the Cummins and would be in denial if we said it didn't matter to some degree...if it didn't matter, we would all still be driving trucks with Gen-1 170 hp ratings.

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[NIsaacs]

We all love the Cummins and would be in denial if we said it didn't matter to some degree...if it didn't matter, we would all still be driving trucks with Gen-1 170 hp ratings.

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I agree, I have 3 Cummins powered trucks and none are stock

Nick

 

[Cummins2014]

We all love the Cummins and would be in denial if we said it didn't matter to some degree...if it didn't matter, we would all still be driving trucks with Gen-1 170 hp ratings.

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I'm not in denial, as said if it mattered to ME , I would have bought the Powerstroke. These are not race cars, they all tow their ratings with ease. I have to guess it just depends on what age group we are in. I still say if you want the most powerful truck out there then its probably not the Cummins you want .

 

[Cummins2014]

I agree, I have 3 Cummins powered trucks and none are stock

Nick

And if you want to keep up with the Ford, then that makes sense. Can't wish for a more powerful truck , and buy the lesser rated truck without doing something to it. If that is all that matters in a towing machine is which is the fastest or most powerful then one should buy that.

Its pretty simple right now the Ford has the better tow rating as far as power, and first to the top of the hill , if thats what is important then ordering a Cummins ,and wishing, is probably not going to get it.

 

[NIsaacs]

Title says it all. Will the 2017s see a power ratings increase across the board?

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I can see Ram raising the torque past Ford but not the HP, at least not for the 17 models.

Nick

 

[RustyJC]

My 2016 is rated for 39,100 lbs GCWR and 30,050 trailer tow rating. That's plenty to handle our 19,000 GVWR 5th wheel. The limiting factor for us is the 9,750 lbs rear axle GAWR, and we have plenty of margin there as everything sits today. That's the reason that I moved up to the 2016 from our 2011 3500 dually which was over its ratings.

I for one don't need any more than I have, so it really doesn't matter to me what the 2017 Ford or 2017 Ram ratings wind up being. As I understand it, the 2017 F-450 is still going to have a lower 5th wheel trailer tow rating (27,500 lbs) than my 2016 Ram, so it's a moot point anyway.

Yes, horsepower gets you to the top of the hill first, but I don't want to live with an engine running at or near redline just to pull a grade - I've been there with my 1996 Ram 3500 V-10 (3500 to 4000 RPM) and 2011 Ram 3500 350/650 Cummins (3000 RPM) up every 6% grade. This 2016 385/900 Cummins just hammers it out between 1600 and 2300 RPM in 6th and 5th gears and has no problem holding 65 on cruise control on the Interstate on every grade we've encountered thus far.

Rusty

 

[kthaxton]

Its pretty simple right now the Ford has the better tow rating as far as power, and first to the top of the hill , if thats what is important then ordering a Cummins ,and wishing, is probably not going to get it.

Maybe I'm missing something...but if by "right now" you mean 2016 and by "tow rating as far as power" you actually mean torque, then the Ram/Cummins has the better rating. The Powerstroke has more HP, but for most of us, that's a secondary concern to torque.

 

[Mingoglia]

It's all about what ones definition of "power" and "better". Torque being equal, HP will always be higher in a V configuration than an inline engine. HP is a calculation based on RPM and the inline Cummins engine will never spin as fast as one of the other V8 diesels. Seat of the pants will always be less. However, the inline engine is going to have a more ideal torque band for pulling a load at various speeds. In addition, for a given "power" it's going to use less fuel. What this translates into is on a 10 minute pull the Powerstroke is going to get to the top of the hill 15 seconds faster, but use 20% more fuel doing it. The higher RPM will also mean in the long run the Powerstroke will wear out faster. So it all has to do with ones priority and their definition of "better". You can easily build a gas motor to beat both of them up the hill... but you'll never pass a gas station and the motor will have a fraction of the longevity.

 

[SnoKing]

The two V-8 will most likely always be faster than the I-6 Cummins, as the engine has a lot more rotating mass. I bought my three RAM/Cummins to tow, not win races. If they want to one up the other two, then do it with better fuel mileage while towing heavy! Snoking

 

[Cummins2014]

Maybe I'm missing something...but if by "right now" you mean 2016 and by "tow rating as far as power" you actually mean torque, then the Ram/Cummins has the better rating. The Powerstroke has more HP, but for most of us, that's a secondary concern to torque.

Rating is one thing, don't care whats on paper ,just do a search on the towing in Colorado ,and then you will see who is the fastest, if thats important to be the first to the top of the hill. If it is important then the Cummins is not the truck to get there first. I don't care if the Cummins is slower with a given weight to the top of the hill, whats important is that I get there consistently living here in the west. But ordering a new 2017 ,and wishing it is going to have the same numbers as a Ford doesn't make sense . This is not a race, and IMO the Cummins gets it done well enough for me.

Numbers or ratings are one thing ,actually getting it done is another, right now Ford will get you to the next street light quicker, and to the top of the hill . Again if thats what you are buying these towing machines for then you should go for the Ford.

 

[Mingoglia]

Rating is one thing, don't care whats on paper ,just do a search on the towing in Colorado ,and then you will see who is the fastest, if thats important to be the first to the top of the hill. If it is important then the Cummins is not the truck to get there first. I don't care if the Cummins is slower with a given weight to the top of the hill, whats important is that I get there consistently living here in the west. But ordering a new 2017 ,and wishing it is going to have the same numbers as a Ford doesn't make sense . This is not a race, and IMO the Cummins gets it done well enough for me.

Numbers or ratings are one thing ,actually getting it done is another, right now Ford will get you to the next street light quicker, and to the top of the hill . Again if thats what you are buying these towing machines for then you should go for the Ford.

That video you're referring to in Colorado when they measured the fuel economy the Ford used a whopping 20% more fuel and it was only about 12 seconds faster over the 10 minute haul. For all intents and purposes the speed in which the climb happened was the same, particularly considering how non-scientific their test was (start a cell phone timer at roughly the right time, then stop it at roughly the right time at the end). Where you will see a difference though is blended hauling, which that test doesn't show. That test mainly shows that a V8 is faster than an inline 6 when you mash the peddle and keep it there until the end. Real world hauling is rarely that. This is why inline 6 engines vastly outnumber V8 engines in over the road trucks.

 

[EGroeneveld]

I love my 2016 Ram, which was the top dog when I bought it.....my only issue with the Ford SD 2017 is we are going to hear about it over and over and over again.....they're as annoying as the Chevy WIFI commercials.

And really with all the torque management how much and when do we really get all that power? It's actually really hard to break the rear end loose on my 2016 dually on dry pavement, LOL. Even with traction control off shouldn't I be able to leave black burnout tracks everywhere with 900# of torque?

 

[EGroeneveld]

And even with Chevy/GMC/GM way back in 3rd place in power I don't think they're hurting to much for sales.

 

[Cummins2014]

That video you're referring to in Colorado when they measured the fuel economy the Ford used a whopping 20% more fuel and it was only about 12 seconds faster over the 10 minute haul. For all intents and purposes the speed in which the climb happened was the same, particularly considering how non-scientific their test was (start a cell phone timer at roughly the right time, then stop it at roughly the right time at the end). Where you will see a difference though is blended hauling, which that test doesn't show. That test mainly shows that a V8 is faster than an inline 6 when you mash the peddle and keep it there until the end. Real world hauling is rarely that. This is why inline 6 engines vastly outnumber V8 engines in over the road trucks.

Lets start over, the op is hoping the new Ram has the same numbers as the Ford, I say I who cares, lets forget who is the fastest etc etc . we buy for certain reasons ,why would someone buy a Cummins , and hope it has the same numbers as the Ford. I just didn't understand the point of the thread in the first place.

 

[Cummins2014]

And even with Chevy/GMC/GM way back in 3rd place in power I don't think they're hurting to much for sales.

I think this power thing is mute point nowadays, unless you are into racing your truck.

 

[Flash1034]

Mongo likes more power...

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[GrantP]

Even with traction control off shouldn't I be able to leave black burnout tracks everywhere with 900# of torque?

Yep. Torque management is good for FCA and warranties, not for drivers. Not suggesting you should do burnouts but you should be ABLE to!