2017 ctd oil change

[6V92TA]

Its hard to figure why someone would pay that kinda of money for OIL .

It makes even less sense , for someone like me, where I want to follow the guidelines for the engine. So I am dumping out good oil every six months ,with 4-5K on it.

Last thing I want to do is add insult to injury, and pay even more for oil like Amsoil, with no proven benefit . If there is, I am sure this cult following will let us know.

I don't care what anybody uses, but I think it is wrong to advise someone to use a lubricant that won't satisfy the warranty requirements of the truck or engine manufacturer and scamsoil certainly does not meet that standard.

 

[gsbrockman]

you can get the filter right through the wheelwell, why try any other way? as far as Scamsoil use goes, its not on Cummins Oil Registration list so I don't know why anyone buys it other than being susceptible to marketing.

I don't care what anybody uses, but I think it is wrong to advise someone to use a lubricant that won't satisfy the warranty requirements of the truck or engine manufacturer and scamsoil certainly does not meet that standard.

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[Newsa]

I think people's obsession with TBN numbers is a little much. If course you want enough neutralizing base in your oil to remove harmful acids. But if you 'be ever don an acid/base titration, you know neutralization happens fast whether your BRB is 6 or 3 on crankcase oil

 

[Cummins12V98]

I don't care what anybody uses, but I think it is wrong to advise someone to use a lubricant that won't satisfy the warranty requirements of the truck or engine manufacturer and scamsoil certainly does not meet that standard.

Show me in black and white where it "specifically" says the use of "AMZ/OIL" products will "void" my warranty.

 

[Minnow101]

Show me in black and white where it "specifically" says the use of "AMZ/OIL" products will "void" my warranty.

Show me where it says using Dr. Pepper will void mine.

 

[Cummins2014]

Show me where it says using Dr. Pepper will void mine.

Now thats funny :-laf

 

[Cummins12V98]

I'm still waiting............

 

[Newsa]

scamsoil certainly does not meet that standard.

I thought we agreed that Amsoil wasn't tested to meet Cummins standards?

How would we know it "Certainly does not meet those standards?"

What did you mean by those standards?

 

[Cummins12V98]

Here is what AMZ/OIL has to say.

API Licensing

Unlike OE Diesel, new AMSOIL Heavy-Duty Synthetic Diesel Oil will not be API-licensed. Our philosophy has always been to set a target for quality and formulate products that meet that target. The API licensing system is a voluntary certification that only sets minimum quality standards. Because it is a standard, licensing limits the flexibility we need to quickly adopt new technologies that can improve protection. Our research indicates many diesel enthusiasts and people who depend on their diesel to make a living focus more on protection than on the API doughnut. We are in that camp.

That is why we use specifications like CK-4 as the minimum and engineer protection into our products that goes beyond API standards. We want to give customers the most protection we can, and sometimes that requires opting out of a licensing program. Diesel customers can rest assured their equipment is protected, and we back them up with our warranty.

 

[JR]

Sometimes API licensing can't be obtained due to the formula itself. A crude example is perhaps too much phosphorus or too high HTHS. Sometimes these are qualities that set apart a good oil from a better oil, wether or not "better" equals any performance advantage or increased life of service is questionable and debatable.
As long as Schaeffer's has been around and as proven as they are, they also do not carry the API ratings on every single brand of oil.


www.pqiamerica.com/March2013PCMO/schaeffersyn.htm#autozone
Is an excellent independent source of information regarding oil performance. They've shown over the years that many bargain oils are every bit as good as some of the premium brands.

 

[Newsa]

Sometimes API licensing can't be obtained due to the formula itself. A crude example is perhaps too much phosphorus or too high HTHS. Sometimes these are qualities that set apart a good oil from a better oil, wether or not "better" equals any performance advantage or increased life of service is questionable and debatable.
As long as Schaeffer's has been around and as proven as they are, they also do not carry the API ratings on every single brand of oil.


www.pqiamerica.com/March2013PCMO/schaeffersyn.htm#autozone
Is an excellent independent source of information regarding oil performance. They've shown over the years that many bargain oils are every bit as good as some of the premium brands.

Hullo, Newsweed here.

Yes, bargain oils like "Carquest" at my local auto parts store is like many other unknown brands just a rebranding of an oil from a major oil company like Warren oil, or Connoco/Phillips with the same quality oil and additive package you would find in a more expensive oil.

But the company who packages these generic brands will change who supplies them the oil.
So at any one time, you don't know whose oil is on the bottle.

The oil analysis people are very familiar with the more expensive brands and also familiar with their additive packages and how they fair over time. The cheaper brands would be analyzed but the oil analyzers wouldn't know what you started with.

 

[Cummins12V98]

6v92ta

still waiting..........

 

[Learjet]

My Diesel supplement says: "that meets FCA Material Standard MS-10902 and
the API CJ-4 engine oil category is required."

So could FCA/Cummins deny warranty with no API rating since it is "required"? I don't know, but I wouldn't take a chance.

 

[6V92TA]

My Diesel supplement says: "that meets FCA Material Standard MS-10902 and
the API CJ-4 engine oil category is required."

yes, and that same OM also says CES 20081 may be used as a substitute.. but if you have any Cummins info which I provided previously, you will note that the newer CK$ rated oils with the CES 20086 certification are backwards compatible with the older CJ4 CES 20081 oils and are the preferred oil for Cummins Emission controlled engines. CK$ is an improvement over the older CJ4 oils. I think Mopar hasn't changed their books yet. FWIW I've always wondered why Ram doesn't tell everybody to use Premium Blue, as their option seems to point us to Shell Rimula. LOL

 

[6V92TA]

once again, latest greatest Oil Registration List, straight from Cummins Quickserve.
View attachment Cummins oil registrations list.pdf

 

[6V92TA]

Fluids for Cummins Products List, straight from Cummins Quickserve. View attachment fluids for cummins products.pdf

 

[Newsa]

yes, and that same OM also says CES 20081 may be used as a substitute.. but if you have any Cummins info which I provided previously, you will note that the newer CK$ rated oils with the CES 20086 certification are backwards compatible with the older CJ4 CES 20081 oils and are the preferred oil for Cummins Emission controlled engines. CK$ is an improvement over the older CJ4 oils. I think Mopar hasn't changed their books yet. FWIW I've always wondered why Ram doesn't tell everybody to use Premium Blue, as their option seems to point us to Shell Rimula. LOL

........ And my local dealers are pushing Pennzoil Ultra. Don't know if that is for Diesels. But when I got my first 4 free oil changes, they were listing pennzoil. I guess because Pennzoil is a Royal Dutch Shell product?

 

[6V92TA]

........ And my local dealers are pushing Pennzoil Ultra. Don't know if that is for Diesels. But when I got my first 4 free oil changes, they were listing pennzoil. I guess because Pennzoil is a Royal Dutch Shell product?

you got me... Cummins pushed Prem Blue, Mopar pushes their own stuff, so I guess Dealers can push whatever they want. Capitalism at its best. marketing and easy credit make the world go round.
LOL

 

[Cummins12V98]

"API CJ-4 engine oil category is required."

Read the WORDS! Does NOT say oil has to have the LABEL. AMZ/OIL meets or exceeds the API "MINIMUM" requirements.

6V92TA you still have NOT shown anything!

 

[Cummins2014]

"API CJ-4 engine oil category is required."

Read the WORDS! Does NOT say oil has to have the LABEL. AMZ/OIL meets or exceeds the API "MINIMUM" requirements.

6V92TA you still have NOT shown anything!

What difference does it make, its been established I don't think this Amsoil is worth anything, or synthetics in general, with the cost to benefit.. Its very apparent you think this Amsoil is the only way to go.

Some are going to run the expensive snake oil ,and some are not. To each his own.