engine reliability

[TCDiesel]

The GM VM was co-develop to be install in the Cadillac's GM wanted to sell in Europe, So the motor was designed for curb GVW of 3,200LBS. Now FCA is asking it to move 6000LBS truck and pull 7500LBS, I've pulled 13,500 with My ED and the Truck and engine did not like it.

The 5.0 just is to big for 1/2 ton mileage goals... I'm hoping to see the 4.0 FPT engine Fiat has in its arsenal ,Believe Me those FPT diesels are mean B_itches

 

[Ozymandias]

The GM VM was co-develop to be install in the Cadillac's GM wanted to sell in Europe, So the motor was designed for curb GVW of 3,200LBS. Now FCA is asking it to move 6000LBS truck and pull 7500LBS, I've pulled 13,500 with My ED and the Truck and engine did not like it.

The 5.0 just is to big for 1/2 ton mileage goals... I'm hoping to see the 4.0 FPT engine Fiat has in its arsenal ,Believe Me those FPT diesels are mean B_itches

Thats what I said more then once, over here that ED is only in the Jeep GC available and it is a totally reliable Engine, Zero issues with it.

Other Engines, Truck engines, sure FPT has them, but these are all 4 Bangers, Americans wont accept an I4 engine in a LD Truck. No sales numbers.

This is FPT

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[Wayne M.]

AFAIK, all these FPT engines are rear geartrain (like the non Ram 6.7 Cummins) and if that’s true, they won’t fit. This is probably why it hasn’t been done yet. Will FPT make a special block just for the Ram?

 

[Ozymandias]

The smaller F1C (3.0L) Engine is a normal one, the one that is used in the Fiat Ducato (you know it as Promaster?) and its siblings and many many other applications and brands.

https://www.fptindustrial.com/global/en/engines/on-road/lcv/f1c

 

[TCDiesel]

AFAIK, all these FPT engines are rear geartrain (like the non Ram 6.7 Cummins) and if that’s true, they won’t fit. This is probably why it hasn’t been done yet. Will FPT make a special block just for the Ram?

That's the rumor, its a 4.0L and can be mated to the New ZF or the 8HP70 now., so that means it could be optional in the 3/4, No one needs a 6.7 in the 3/4 ton its to big and the mileage suffers. If Ram Fiat make's that combo, FPT is the only motor I will allow in My Driveway, I'm done with Euro QC, None of the engines and (Vehicles) can hold up to American QC and Design. This will be My Next Power plant (1500) if FCA continues to spin Dry the VM3.0 in NA.


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http://gmauthority.com/blog/gm/gm-engines/lm2/

 

[TCDiesel]

This is the rats nest the VM 3.0 is manufactured at, Air tools....... All modern day power plants manufacturing use electronic micro wrenches for precision calibrations and values.

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[Wayne M.]

This six is very intriguing but info is very scarce for too long. I hope they’re not having trouble proving it.

 

[TCDiesel]

FCA got something brewing...Just don't know what...

 

[TFucili]

Is that I-6 a true GM in-house deal, or re-label/re-fit of somebody else's engine?

 

[TCDiesel]

I believe its Isuzu/GM assemble in MI. Just like the Original D-Max 2001 LB7.

 

[RVTRKN]

https://www.turbodieselregister.com/threads/dead-eco.266051/
Here's some reading for the OP.

 

[Wayne M.]

Oh no. The timing is perfect.

https://www.turbodieselregister.com/threads/dead-eco.266051/

 

[sag2]

I just looked, everything superceedes to the complete assembly, $9955. Average weekly demand is well below the 1% failure rate quoted above.

 

[TCDiesel]

So Sag2 you have access to weekly sales or Monthly sales... I do and its considerably higher than 1% You cannot use current sale because the EDs are Not selling well, We sell 100-200- trucks monthly and only 3 EDs in DEC 18. so if you are using current sales that # 1% maybe correct.

 

[sag2]

And Cummins had to sell the 5.0 V8 CTD with the same HP/Torque as a 04 5.9 CTD to Nissan. But if they would have stayed with the 5.0 CTD, Ram would own the market in HD and the 1/2 ton market, out right.



As I posted, I'm biased.

Cummins sold the 5.0 to Nissan because FCA killed the contract to purchase them as part of the bankruptsey. Although the engine is reliable, it does not have good reviews for power and fuel economy from the Nissan owners. Although it carries the Cummins name, it may be just as well that Nissan picked it up. And Ram does/did own the 1/2 ton diesel market.

 

[Regcabguy]

Will see how the Colorado's Thailand build diesel holds up. I wish it the best.

 

[sag2]

So Sag2 you have access to weekly sales or Monthly sales... I do and its considerably higher than 1% You cannot use current sale because the EDs are Not selling well, We sell 100-200- trucks monthly and only 3 EDs in DEC 18. so if you are using current sales that # 1% maybe correct.

I used 100,000 ED vehicles in service. A 1% failure rate would be 1,000 engines per year. The current engine sales rate is nowhere near that.

 

[TCDiesel]

1% is the industry Standard Minimum... Cummins Rotating mass failure under 100K miles do to QC/PF is 1 per 5000 Max, Back in 2015-16 Ram was replacing 150-300 engines per month for those years.

So do the #s again, Ram was manufacturing 2200-2400 ED 3.0 in 2016 and verified failure rates 200-300, that 10%..... ugly and disgusting, its up their with the worst manufacturing failure rate in modern day makers. Call it what you want or remove the blinders.

 

[RVTRKN]

Ram does/did own the 1/2 ton diesel market.

Only because Nissan has a small market footprint. Also the mpg would have been better with the 5.0 and 8spd auto, so its no comparison. Not to mention the Nissan CTD is really not a 1/2 ton. I would have purchased the Nissan 5.0 CTD, but the price is was to high, the 2016 Tacoma was $20K cheaper and will tow my boat.

 

[sag2]

1% is the industry Standard Minimum... Cummins Rotating mass failure under 100K miles do to QC/PF is 1 per 5000 Max, Back in 2015-16 Ram was replacing 150-300 engines per month for those years.

So do the #s again, Ram was manufacturing 2200-2400 ED 3.0 in 2016 and verified failure rates 200-300, that 10%..... ugly and disgusting, its up their with the worst manufacturing failure rate in modern day makers. Call it what you want or remove the blinders.

I'm not disputing the fact that there are not bearing failures. But they have sold 100k+ vehicles so far. The current replacement rate for the engines is well under 1% per year of that 100k engines. The numbers are the facts. You can't compare the current engine sales rate to the current vehicle sales rate. The replacement engines fit all years and you have to take the entire fleet into account.