Carter In-Tank Fuel Pmp Failed; 5 yrs & 75K miles. What's better this time?

[WalterJ]

To make matters more frustrating, this is the 4th visit to the repair shop in 4 weeks...arrrgh.
NAPA is verifying if this may be replaced under warranty by "Carter". When asked if they should get one for me, I answered, "I'm not exactly sure I want this manuf. item."

Thus my query, is there any (conventional) in-tank unit more reliable/better made than the current Delphi, Carter or Bosch? I realize this forum has many FASS customers. I gave it some thought 10 years ago, but then, their reputation was not stellar so I passed. Now, it would represent a new cost of $400 + $300 warranty replacement I'd be ignoring. It's just not adding up for me at this time.

Seems the "absolute" quality of a given manufacture's parts rises & falls with time & circumstance. That's why I'm seeking opinions of present day customers or "parts researches" to guide my decision by Tuesday or so. I left a msg for the shop NOT to purchase parts yet. Thanks again. Fixin' dem & liking it less...

Wally

 

[Ozymandias]

Well usually the OEM stands waaaaay longer then 75K, so maybe you should give it another chance.

FASS & Co. is also not perfect, they fail on occasion to.
Check the Forum for it.

 

[DavidC]

I stuck with the engine mounted pump and have a few spare although I have never had one fail in the 20 years I have owned it. I also have a Raptor if I am so inclined to use it. I do not have answer to your dilemma but sorry to hear as the tank needs to come down ie. more expense.

 

[Regcabguy]

Here's an intank option. https://fleeceperformance.com/dodge/2003-2007/fuel-system/lift-pumps.html
And an OE replacement Carter.https://www.summitracing.com/parts/crt-p76148m/overview/year/2007/make/dodge/model/ram-2500

 

[cerberusiam]

The OE in-tank unit is way better than the one on the filter housing, Dodge has been retrofitting to the in-tank for years.

The Fleece item looks very interesting but it is spendy.

 

[PBJ2500CTD]

Well usually the OEM stands waaaaay longer then 75K, so maybe you should give it another chance.

FASS & Co. is also not perfect, they fail on occasion to.
Check the Forum for it.

I can confirm that statement for the OEM conversion. I have over 10 years and 112,000 miles on the in tank pump conversion for my 02.

 

[WalterJ]

I can confirm that statement for the OEM conversion. I have over 10 years and 112,000 miles on the in tank pump conversion for my 02.

By that you mean it's a FASS in-tank conversion?

 

[WalterJ]

The OE in-tank unit is way better than the one on the filter housing, Dodge has been retrofitting to the in-tank for years.

The Fleece item looks very interesting but it is spendy.

Here's an intank option. https://fleeceperformance.com/dodge/2003-2007/fuel-system/lift-pumps.html
And an OE replacement Carter.https://www.summitracing.com/parts/crt-p76148m/overview/year/2007/make/dodge/model/ram-2500

$733 for the Fleece unit - wowee. Thanks for the thought, as I never heard of them.

 

[WalterJ]

Those that mentioned OEM dealer as a source, think they source a better manuf. than I can get from the Carter or Delphi from NAPA? If so, that's definitely an option; I'll inquire Monday regardless, thanks.

 

[PBJ2500CTD]

By that you mean it's a FASS in-tank conversion?

Nope. The OEM in-tank replacement for the unreliable Carter/external pumps. A little lower in pressure, but much higher flow. Recommended over the other modifications by my Dodge mechanic with 30 plus years of diesel experience. He hasn't led me astray for the past 20 something years.

 

[Prairie Dog]

Way back in the day, I installed a FASS 95 to head off the eng mounted lift pump leaving me stranded someplace as it had already done to so many. About a month after installing it, Dodge came out with their in tank kit.
The FASS is still running after all these years but it has always been loud (yes, it has the quiet kit).
Given the good record of the in-tank retrofit kit and how quiet it is, I sure wish I'd known about it ahead of time. If I had it to do over, I would absolutely go that direction.

 

[WalterJ]

My OEM under hood fuel lift pump failed after 16 months and 30K miles;
the dealer in-tank replacement lasted 8.6 years & 241.7K miles;
2nd in-tank (Carter) lasted 5 years + 1 week & 75K miles.
Hells bells, Phillips doesn't even make light bulbs the same after 15 years!
I'll see what's up Monday, doubt the dealer parts dept. has a clue where their stuff is made. Truth be known, where the engineering/manufacturing specs originate is prolly source of quality or lack of it. Time for beddy-bye. Wally

 

[sojoe]

150k on the lift replacement under warranty(changed to in tank pump on warranty)by previous owner.
I always carry a spare inline pump with hoses-JUST incase the in tank unit fails. PROBABLY tempting fate by even thinking about it failing--OH NO?

 

[DavidC]

150k on the lift replacement under warranty(changed to in tank pump on warranty)by previous owner.
I always carry a spare inline pump with hoses-JUST incase the in tank unit fails. PROBABLY tempting fate by even thinking about it failing--OH NO?

Not to burst your bubble but your gonna have a hard time sucking fuel through a failed in tank pump unless you have another source to hook the suction to.

 

[Motorhead]

Question to WalterJ. Do you have a habit of running your tank at 1/4 full and below? I ask this ONLY because the "In-Tank" pumps use the fuel in the tank to quench the heat out of the pump. I can say this from past experience. I worked at UPS and we ran Ford Econolines with DUAL tanks for the extended country routes. When they were carbureted with mechanical fuel pumps, you ran the front tank until it was empty, then switched to the rear tank. When the newer vans came out with fuel injection and in-tank pumps, the drivers and myself were running them the same way, running the front tank empty then switching to the rear. The Vans were burning up the in-tank pumps. The mechanic, with advice from Ford told the drivers to switch over at 1/4 tank instead of empty and the pumps lasted the duration of the vans life. Ford told the mechanic at UPS about the heat quenching that the fuel in the tank was important to help keep the pumps working longer. Just a question for you. This may or may not be the issue. I never run my tank in my '07 lower than 1/4.

 

[sojoe]

Thanks-- I do hope I NEVER have to try.
I do appreciate your input

 

[Ozymandias]

My OEM under hood fuel lift pump failed after 16 months and 30K miles;
the dealer in-tank replacement lasted 8.6 years & 241.7K miles;
2nd in-tank (Carter) lasted 5 years + 1 week & 75K miles.
Wally

Well that post sure tells me that the OEM In-tank Pump is an outstanding product and very reliable.
Many trucks themselves don't last that long in the rust belt.

Go buy a new one and be happy.

 

[WalterJ]

Question to WalterJ. Do you have a habit of running your tank at 1/4 full and below? I ask this ONLY because the "In-Tank" pumps use the fuel in the tank to quench the heat out of the pump. I can say this from past experience. I worked at UPS and we ran Ford Econolines with DUAL tanks for the extended country routes. When they were carbureted with mechanical fuel pumps, you ran the front tank until it was empty, then switched to the rear tank. When the newer vans came out with fuel injection and in-tank pumps, the drivers and myself were running them the same way, running the front tank empty then switching to the rear. The Vans were burning up the in-tank pumps. The mechanic, with advice from Ford told the drivers to switch over at 1/4 tank instead of empty and the pumps lasted the duration of the vans life. Ford told the mechanic at UPS about the heat quenching that the fuel in the tank was important to help keep the pumps working longer. Just a question for you. This may or may not be the issue. I never run my tank in my '07 lower than 1/4.

Roger that. I didn't know they actually got that "warm" to be concerned about. Regardless, I rarely find myself with <1/4 tank, due to old habits of being on call 24/7 at times at the power plant & worrying about "fueling up" at 2AM is the last thing I needed! Good educational story of your UPS days, appreciate it friend.

Neighborhood NAPA called & will replace my Carter in-tank pump assy under warranty. Yahoo, #200 saved, only $200 in labor this time. Also interesting no "fuel" related codes were triggered as the fuel pressure died, e.g. P0148 Fuel Delivery Low, P0628/P0629 Relay circuit or Lift Pump Control Low/High.

P.S. I asked shop to also replace the 15 year old fuel relay.

Wally

 

[WalterJ]

Thanks-- I do hope I NEVER have to try.
I do appreciate your input

Your idear occurred to me years ago, but i never took action. I never really thought about the small detail that the aux. pump would have to suck fuel thru the entire in-tank mechanism! If I didn't have to turn in my in-tank unit, I'd either send it to you for testing or ask you send me your aux. pump for testing. Why don't you pipe it in & see what kind of flow you get in a jar?!? Guys' gotta have a hobby?

 

[sojoe]

At this point I haven`t seen proof that it can`t be done???
When you are OOC on I-80 at a rest area in Wyoming wouldn`t it be worth a try.
I just have never done that sort of thing with an in tank diesel pump(AND I HOPE I NEVER HAVE TO).