215/75/17.5 H Tires - Not a Tire War

[Wiredawg]

Friends,

I'm following my own advice and bringing my RV tire discussion over to it's own thread and out of the mega 600 post thread in the 4th Gen Forum.

I originally posted the sidewalls blew out of my GY G114, but was mistaken. The tread separated completely and the sidewalls remained intact. I checked pressure all around 110psi and 4Klbs per tire. Not overloaded. I estimate about 30K miles on them. I did not observe any road hazzards.

My RV is 4 years old, purchased new. I need to get dates off the tires, but my expectation is to get 5 years per set. RV I stored inside, so minimal UV and weathering impact.

I've found Sailun 215/75/17.5 H for $167 free shipping and am leaning towards them.

I wouldn't mind hearing recommendations, but would like to NOT have a tire war.

Thanks, Ron

 

[JR]

I don't think you can go wrong with the S637. I've been running them on my 14k tilt deck for around 4 years and am very happy with them. I wish they made a tire small enough to fit my 5er.

 

[DavidC]

I was gonna say your lucky it did not cause more damage until I looked at the section behind the tire. What kind of repair is that going to be as it does not look like the usual J moulding that is replaceable.

 

[Cummins12V98]

Your first mistake was not keeping the tire and turning it into GY.

It's rare these tires blow. Usually the center three ribs go. You must have been running for a while.

What is the date code?

Did this or any others look like this? This is what it looks like if tread separation is starting. As I mentioned GY had a run in 2015.

You really need that tire as GY will pay the damages if not road hazard! Why have an insurance claim.

 

[Wiredawg]

I don't think you can go wrong with the S637. I've been running them on my 14k tilt deck for around 4 years and am very happy with them. I wish they made a tire small enough to fit my 5er.

JR,

Yes sir, they are looking good 16 ply rating. I'm finding them for $207ea free shipping on Ebay. I did look up the dates on the GY G114s and its 25/14 on all of them, so I'm at 5 years with them and time to replace them.

I inspected the rest of them and no obvious tread separation on them. Outside temp 93°F, about 45 Miles into the trip.

Cheers,


Ron

 

[Wiredawg]

Your first mistake was not keeping the tire and turning it into GY.

It's rare these tires blow. Usually the center three ribs go. You must have been running for a while.

What is the date code?

Did this or any others look like this? This is what it looks like if tread separation is starting. As I mentioned GY had a run in 2015.

You really need that tire as GY will pay the damages if not road hazard! Why have an insurance claim.

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Ron,

I wouldn't expect any warranty on a 5 year old with 30K miles, so not sure I'll admit I made a mistake in not keeping the carcass. And these were OE on the RV. I had a new Durun Chinese tire mounted for a spare for protection, but likely would have mounted a GY if they had one. I consider these GYs have provided good service for the time, wear, and mileage, but I'm not married to a brand. I've been RVing for 20 years and have had experience with various tire brands. Although I favor Michelin, they are really pricey, at over $550 each mounted.

Thanks for your input.

Cheers, Ron

 

[GCroyle]

Ron,

TPMS on the old tires? Might be a future consideration if not.

Disc brakes, wow good stuff.

Hows that ankle doing?

Gary

 

[Wiredawg]

Ron,

TPMS on the old tires? Might be a future consideration if not.

Disc brakes, wow good stuff.

Hows that ankle doing?

Gary

Hi Gary,

Ankle is good, I'm being VERY careful. I bought TPMS and haven't put them on. First thing to do after I get new tires. Wished I'd have installed them, have enough for the truck too.

Thought I'd throw in my BIL highly recommends Hankook tires. They run very heavy Mega watt generators on trailers with them and have great results. They are about $30/tire more than Sailun.

Still wading through the choices looking at Veterans Day next trip, so in the next couple of weeks I'll pull the trigger.

Take care and thanks.

Ron

 

[NIsaacs]

Another option might be Hercules Tires, they seem to be of good quality. I have a set of 215/75x17.5 on the front of my dually. They are all position/all steel, 16 ply, H902. I also have a set of Hercules LT235/85x16, all steel, 14 ply (H901) on my car trailer and a set of ST235/85x16, all steel, 14 ply (H901) on my dump.

 

[Jim W]

Ron,

TPMS on the old tires? Might be a future consideration if not.

Disc brakes, wow good stuff.

Hows that ankle doing?

Gary

Hi Ron,

Sorry for the issue with your tire on the trailer. But I do have to ask how is TPMS going to solve a belt separation and subsequent tire failure?

I am not much of a fan of TPMS for tires a lot of end users think they are a cure-all for tire failures! They are not! What they are intended for is to tell you that a tire is under the set pressure that the Automotive/Truck manufacture sets in the computer module for the vehicle. Or an aftermarket device that you set the parameters in.

As we all know that the 80PSI rear tire setting for the 2500 Ram trucks when the truck is unloaded is ridicules. An if you lower the tire pressure to say 45PSI for an improved ride you will receive a warning that the tire air pressure is low.

I believe in daily inspection of the tire and checking the air pressure cold. Yes, a tire is going to fail sometimes but the TPMS will not catch that failure! As an example, I did my tire inspection on a 2010 Cougar fifth wheel, before we left the campground. All tires pressures were checked and adjusted accordingly to the ambient temps, 10 mins after leaving the campground I heard a large explosion! My drive side rear tire on the trailer had a catastrophe failure. This is the only tire failure I have had in 13 years of towing a trailer without TPMS. An TPMS would not have caught that tire failure!

I have read were users on the RV forums are now setting the trailer tires 10 to 15PSI below the max cold inflation pressure so, the tire when heated up will not set off the upper limit of the TPMS device. Also, several users are overly concerned with the temperature rise in their trailer tires that are being displayed on the TPMS device! They have asked if they should deflate the tire when the tires are hot! So, the device warning limits will go away.

Sorry for my rant!
Jim

 

[GCroyle]

Jim,

I am a fan of trailer TPMS and I do accept that it has limitations but from the several years of towing and now I'm on my second TPMS system, I'm sold. They are watching out for changes to PSI and in my case internal tire temp.

I had one issue a few years ago that really was my lack of annual brake inspection and maintenance. I was seeing increased temp on one wheel. Pulled off at a parking lot, and sure enough I had a hot disc brake. The fix was pulling the wheel, cleaning the rust off of the pad anchor, light film of grease on the anchor and we were back on the road.

No my TPMS does not replace a PTI or PSI check. But it watches out for what I can't easily get feedback on until it's too late.

I also dumped the 15" ST tires in favor of 16" Michelin and haven't looked back. My TPMS is the internal Dill system.

Gary

 

[TFucili]

Trailer TPMS is just another tool. It does not replace or eliminate anything. I still do a walk-around at every stop, and carry my IR gun in the door panel. Catastrophic failure aside, I figure if I pick up a nail or screw, and am made aware of the leak, I can swap tires or air up with my Viair to get to a safe spot or a shop for repair before it ruins the tire and/or becomes a catastrophic failure.

 

[Wiredawg]

Hi Ron,

Sorry for the issue with your tire on the trailer. But I do have to ask how is TPMS going to solve a belt separation and subsequent tire failure?

I am not much of a fan of TPMS for tires a lot of end users think they are a cure-all for tire failures! They are not! What they are intended for is to tell you that a tire is under the set pressure that the Automotive/Truck manufacture sets in the computer module for the vehicle. Or an aftermarket device that you set the parameters in.

As we all know that the 80PSI rear tire setting for the 2500 Ram trucks when the truck is unloaded is ridicules. An if you lower the tire pressure to say 45PSI for an improved ride you will receive a warning that the tire air pressure is low.

I believe in daily inspection of the tire and checking the air pressure cold. Yes, a tire is going to fail sometimes but the TPMS will not catch that failure! As an example, I did my tire inspection on a 2010 Cougar fifth wheel, before we left the campground. All tires pressures were checked and adjusted accordingly to the ambient temps, 10 mins after leaving the campground I heard a large explosion! My drive side rear tire on the trailer had a catastrophe failure. This is the only tire failure I have had in 13 years of towing a trailer without TPMS. An TPMS would not have caught that tire failure!

I have read were users on the RV forums are now setting the trailer tires 10 to 15PSI below the max cold inflation pressure so, the tire when heated up will not set off the upper limit of the TPMS device. Also, several users are overly concerned with the temperature rise in their trailer tires that are being displayed on the TPMS device! They have asked if they should deflate the tire when the tires are hot! So, the device warning limits will go away.

Sorry for my rant!
Jim

Jim,

Thanks for the input... I inspect and check tire pressure every day I travel. TPMS would have told me AFTER it blew and lost air. I didn't feel or hear anything. An 18 wheeler driver pulled up beside me and motioned I have a problem. TPMS on my Jeep alerted me I picked up screw in it as it was slowly loosing pressure.
Its a tool that has its pluses, if used correctly.

Jim,

I am a fan of trailer TPMS and I do accept that it has limitations but from the several years of towing and now I'm on my second TPMS system, I'm sold. They are watching out for changes to PSI and in my case internal tire temp.

I had one issue a few years ago that really was my lack of annual brake inspection and maintenance. I was seeing increased temp on one wheel. Pulled off at a parking lot, and sure enough I had a hot disc brake. The fix was pulling the wheel, cleaning the rust off of the pad anchor, light film of grease on the anchor and we were back on the road.

No my TPMS does not replace a PTI or PSI check. But it watches out for what I can't easily get feedback on until it's too late.

I also dumped the 15" ST tires in favor of 16" Michelin and haven't looked back. My TPMS is the internal Dill system.

Gary

Trailer TPMS is just another tool. It does not replace or eliminate anything. I still do a walk-around at every stop, and carry my IR gun in the door panel. Catastrophic failure aside, I figure if I pick up a nail or screw, and am made aware of the leak, I can swap tires or air up with my Viair to get to a safe spot or a shop for repair before it ruins the tire and/or becomes a catastrophic failure.

Gary/Tom,

I agree with you on TPMS... in my case, the biggest negative is me NOT installing them.


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All,

Just wanted to share I purchased (ordered) the Hankook 215-75R-17.5 H, a high quality tier 2 tire. I was leaning strong on the Sailun and Hercules tires, and would certainly install those on my 20' enclosed car hauler and my 14' dump trailer. They are high quality tier 3 tires. The tier 1s are the big name tires, and it was hard not to purchase the Michelins, except for approx. $600+/tire.

As always, whether in agreement or not, the discussion is good and all opinions and comments are appreciated.

Cheers, Ron

 

[GCroyle]

As always, whether in agreement or not, the discussion is good and all opinions and comments are appreciated.

Cheers, Ron

Slow smoked with real wood and sauce is the EATER's choice or it's just cooked meat!

 

[NIsaacs]

[QUOTE="Wiredawg,
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All,

Just wanted to share I purchased (ordered) the Hankook 215-75R-17.5 H, a high quality tier 2 tire. I was leaning strong on the Sailun and Hercules tires, and would certainly install those on my 20' enclosed car hauler and my 14' dump trailer. They are high quality tier 3 tires. The tier 1s are the big name tires, and it was hard not to purchase the Michelins, except for approx. $600+/tire.

As always, whether in agreement or not, the discussion is good and all opinions and comments are appreciated.

Cheers, Ron[/QUOTE]


Which model tires did you order, I see they have several in that size. Where do you get the info on tier? I have never heard that about tires.

The TH22, 16 ply is a good looking trailer only tire and J-speed rated or 62mph. That wouldn't work for me

 

[Wiredawg]

[QUOTE="Wiredawg,
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All,

Just wanted to share I purchased (ordered) the Hankook 215-75R-17.5 H, a high quality tier 2 tire. I was leaning strong on the Sailun and Hercules tires, and would certainly install those on my 20' enclosed car hauler and my 14' dump trailer. They are high quality tier 3 tires. The tier 1s are the big name tires, and it was hard not to purchase the Michelins, except for approx. $600+/tire.

As always, whether in agreement or not, the discussion is good and all opinions and comments are appreciated.

Cheers, Ron

Which model tires did you order, I see they have several in that size. Where do you get the info on tier? I have never heard that about tires.

The TH22, 16 ply is a good looking trailer only tire and J-speed rated or 62mph. That wouldn't work for me[/QUOTE]

I went back to Hankook website and it shows they are rated at 65MPH, which is what I drive anyway. I however didn't know they weren't 75mph.

Cheer, Ron

 

[JR]

That's one reason I went with the S637 4 years ago, most all trailer tires were still rated at 65mph. Most of the higher quality tires have increased their speed ratings since then. On long jaunts I will run with traffic, or at least the speed limit. I don't feel comfortable getting passed by everyone doing 15mph or more than I. Odds of being rear ended are slim but ever increasing with a$$hats constantly distracting themselves with phones and/or vehicle infotainment systems . I literally witnessed one occurance on I-77 in West Virginia last year. That has really stuck with me.

 

[Wiredawg]

Friends,
Discount tire gave me a deal on the Goodyear G114s. Even though I only run 65MPH, I still like the margin. I've gotten good wear and service out of the 114s that came with the RV. On my Travel Supreme, I lost a Michelin the same way I lost the G114.

Anyhoo, thanks for all the help and thanks for pointing out the speed rating.

Cheers, Ron

 

[Cummins12V98]

Ron,

I wouldn't expect any warranty on a 5 year old with 30K miles, so not sure I'll admit I made a mistake in not keeping the carcass. And these were OE on the RV. I had a new Durun Chinese tire mounted for a spare for protection, but likely would have mounted a GY if they had one. I consider these GYs have provided good service for the time, wear, and mileage, but I'm not married to a brand. I've been RVing for 20 years and have had experience with various tire brands. Although I favor Michelin, they are really pricey, at over $550 each mounted.

Thanks for your input.

Cheers, Ron

If not a road hazard they would have paid your damage at 5 years. 5 years starts when y

Friends,
Discount tire gave me a deal on the Goodyear G114s. Even though I only run 65MPH, I still like the margin. I've gotten good wear and service out of the 114s that came with the RV. On my Travel Supreme, I lost a Michelin the same way I lost the G114.

Anyhoo, thanks for all the help and thanks for pointing out the speed rating.

Cheers, Ron

 

[Cummins12V98]

Ron you made a wise choice IMHO.