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ATLANTA – Allison Transmission plans to release the first 9-speed fully automatic transmission in 2020, offering fuel savings and available to help meet the next round of greenhouse gas emissions standards.


At the North American Commercial Vehicle Show, company officials said the fully automatic transmission for medium- and heavy-duty vehicles will be available globally and is targeted for release in 2020.

The new 9-speed transmission has a deep first gear ratio, includes an integral engine stop-start system, and is scheduled to be released in time for the EPA's GHG Phase 2 emissions standards.


“This 9-speed product launch represents the first in a number of new products which will demonstrate Allison's ongoing commitment to addressing the global challenge of improved fuel efficiency and reduced greenhouse gases,” said Randy Kirk, senior vice president -product engineering and product teams. The new 9-speed will reach up to 7% greater fuel efficiency than the base 6-speed model, he added.

“Customers can also expect up to 10% greater [fuel economy] or more when compared to a competing transmission.”

The new transmission marks the first of its kind for the medium-duty market and is ideal for Classes 3-7, especially distribution trucks, rental and lease trucks, and buses, Kirk said. With the new transmission, drivers can also look forward to better comfort due to smaller steps, a smoother start, and improved acceleration, Allison says.

“Many OEMs in North America, Europe and Asia have expressed interest and excitement, with prototype evaluations beginning for them yet this year," Kirk said. “This is the first in a number of new products we’ll develop to meet the global challenge of increased fuel efficiency and reduced greenhouse gas emissions."
 
Like I said earlier, if RAM/Cummins gets more gears it will be a marketing decision, and not a performance need. Note: Semi trucks have been going down in gear counts, not going up.

I-6's seem to need less gears than V-8's. I-6's do not win races, however then win on simplicity, ease of maintenance and repair. SnoKing

What a stupid thing to say. I recon Stupid is as Stupid does...

A quote from 12V.

“This 9-speed product launch represents the first in a number of new products which will demonstrate Allison's ongoing commitment to addressing the global challenge of improved fuel efficiency and reduced greenhouse gases,” said Randy Kirk, senior vice president -product engineering and product teams. The new 9-speed will reach up to 7% greater fuel efficiency than the base 6-speed model, he added."

It is not a race game to the top. It is how much better we can reach the top and bottom with better efficiency. Get there more efficient you reduce wear and tear.

The more your transmission keeps your RPMs in it's sweet spot not just between TQ/RPM range the more power you have available.
 
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ATLANTA – Allison Transmission plans to release the first 9-speed fully automatic transmission in 2020, offering fuel savings and available to help meet the next round of greenhouse gas emissions standards.


At the North American Commercial Vehicle Show, company officials said the fully automatic transmission for medium- and heavy-duty vehicles will be available globally and is targeted for release in 2020.

The new 9-speed transmission has a deep first gear ratio, includes an integral engine stop-start system, and is scheduled to be released in time for the EPA's GHG Phase 2 emissions standards.


“This 9-speed product launch represents the first in a number of new products which will demonstrate Allison's ongoing commitment to addressing the global challenge of improved fuel efficiency and reduced greenhouse gases,” said Randy Kirk, senior vice president -product engineering and product teams. The new 9-speed will reach up to 7% greater fuel efficiency than the base 6-speed model, he added.

“Customers can also expect up to 10% greater [fuel economy] or more when compared to a competing transmission.”

The new transmission marks the first of its kind for the medium-duty market and is ideal for Classes 3-7, especially distribution trucks, rental and lease trucks, and buses, Kirk said. With the new transmission, drivers can also look forward to better comfort due to smaller steps, a smoother start, and improved acceleration, Allison says.

“Many OEMs in North America, Europe and Asia have expressed interest and excitement, with prototype evaluations beginning for them yet this year," Kirk said. “This is the first in a number of new products we’ll develop to meet the global challenge of increased fuel efficiency and reduced greenhouse gas emissions."


This trans was in an equipment world mag at work a few months ago. It is an evolution of the 2000 series which isnt exactly suited for a pickup. Not to say the new unit couldn't be smaller and lighter, but if it's tailoring to the same market it likely won't end up in a Ram.
 
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This trans was in an equipment world mag at work a few months ago. It is an evolution of the 2000 series which isnt exactly suited for a pickup. Not to say the new unit couldn't be smaller and lighter, but if it's tailoring to the same market it likely won't end up in a Ram.

Isn't the 1000, 2000 and 2400 all in the same family? That is same form factor?

https://www.transdiesel.com/allison-1000--2000-series-transmission/series/52

The 2000 just has wider ratios. Parking pawl presence varies by model.
 
I'm not saying it's impossible just not likely. Notice in the description in Rons quote,

The new transmission marks the first of its kind for the medium-duty market and is ideal for Classes 3-7, especially distribution trucks, rental and lease trucks, and buses,

That is exactly the market the 2000 currently supports and it doesn't appear they are looking to change that. The 2000 series is rated for lower HP and gearing found in commercial vehicles, not exactly a transmission that is ready made to drop in a pickup. I have no idea what their target is for the new transmission but it would have to be quite a bit different to be viable in a pickup truck.
 
I think the post from 12V is very revealing. "This 9-speed product launch represents the first in a number of new products" "The new transmission marks the first of its kind for the medium-duty market".

Sounds like to me it is a brand new concept.
 
Sounds like to me it is a brand new concept.

And it could very well be. It's also nothing but a rumor at this point coming from TFL.
We do know two things for fact. Ram was testing an 8 speed ZF in a 3500 CTD, and FCA named ZF their global supplier of transmissions in 2019. Based on the fact that FCA has some real buying power with ZF I suspect it will be the "chosen one" if Ram veers away from Aisin.
Time will tell!
 
I recall getting a survey from Ram a few years ago....asking my opinions on the desire to have a transmission with more speeds.
 
I was looking at the F450 and my Ram 3500 at the same time. The Ford is smooth...wont debate that but I didn't like the exhaust brake....even empty. That and there's something oddly familiar between my 06 and this new truck even though they are light years apart. IMHO the Fords are the best looking duallys out there. I was told by a service tech at my dealer the new ZF 8 speed may go in the next update on the heavy duty Rams. Don't know where he got that info. I got by with a 48 RE for years so the Aisin seems great to me and this HO motor has no problem with putting power through a wider ratio trans. Another reason I didn't buy the 450 was Ford thinks they are gold....wouldn't deal much from MSRP in my area.
 
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We have all three brands at my work. The Chevys ride the best and Ford has the pep. Ram is middle of the road. They just ordered me a new F450 I will be getting in a few months, guess I will be able to evaluate it for a while before my next truck purchase. Was planning on a second year 8 or 9 speed from Ram but I guess we'll see!
 
Just curious, when you say Ford has the pep what truck line are you referring to?

Reason I ask is we also have all 3 brands in half ton vintage 2017 and newer. The Ram 5.7/ 8 spd ZF eats the Ford and GM's lunch. Caveat, the Ford is the 5.0/10 speed not the Ecoboost.
 
Well, that probably makes sense. GM has a car like ride with its IFS. Until it hits max payload or anything extreme suspension angle.

I just assumed he was referring to the half ton segment, not many companies have all 3 big leagues in the HD class.
 
My take on the current Ford DRW truck is they look like they took two different year rear fenders and stacked them on the sides of the bed.
Yep. That they do. I think they did that so its easier to see behind you. On our Mega dually I see a lot of blue fender in the rearview lol. I'm happy with the looks of my truck and glad its the Cummins!
 
RAM needs to build a special order version of a 3500 dually. IMO here you go. 3500HD, with 8-10 speed auto, 2.65x19.5" wheels tires, pickup bed, high output engine, 15k GVW, increase in front axle rating, higher rated fifth wheel hitch, higher rated rear hitch, higher rated brakes front/rear, super cooling package.
Call it 3500XD RV/Towing version.
 
RAM needs to build a special order version of a 3500 dually. IMO here you go. 3500HD, with 8-10 speed auto, 2.65x19.5" wheels tires, pickup bed, high output engine, 15k GVW, increase in front axle rating, higher rated fifth wheel hitch, higher rated rear hitch, higher rated brakes front/rear, super cooling package.
Call it 3500XD RV/Towing version.

I think this truck should have a similar wider front axle with better turning radius and bigger brakes like the 4500/5500 are equipped with. Heck, IOW we want a RAM that would compete with the F450 pickup. I think a RAM 4500 pickup would sell well.
 
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