Ram Cummins vs. New Ford 7.3 gasser

[Fender1325]

Guys,

I'm weighing this out and would like some good input. A new ram 2500 cummins or f250 7.3 gasser.

I bought a '19 2500 6.4 hemi and sold it after 7 months. Had some small issues but the biggest annoyance was it kicking into MDS mode all the time. (Yes you can shut it off but you have to scroll through the gears every time you put it in drive, not doing that and not waiting on a tuner). Sold it.

So I ordered a ford. Crew cab long bed 4x4 7.3 gasser. No money down no commitment. It's taking it's sweet time with covid to come in. Might be november. I've grown up driving Ford's and I think they're solid reliable trucks.

But I think the new rams are the better looking trucks, and I enjoyed my ram outside the small issues.

I'm considering the famous Cummins because I'll get the better looking truck and it'll last forever right? (Sarcasm)

The more research I do, the more concerned I am with committing to the diesel. All your standard failure items (EGR, DPF, etc) but that CP4 failure looks like a real b****, costing 10k in repairs +/-.

I want to buy whatever truck I do, and use it for 15 years. Let it become old trusty one day.

My needs to not REQUIRE a diesel. I tow a landscape trailer weekly, and a car trailer occasionally. So I don't plan to tow much over 10k. I'm going 3/4 ton regardless as I like having additional capacity for stability and to not risk overload.

Should I go for the cummins or no?

I have a 15 minute commute on back roads. Enough to get up to temp for sure.

Thanks in advance

 

[Learjet]

either one will work fine. I came from a 2013 Ford 6.2 gasser.

 

[jgillott]

There have been some posts on some of the RV forums about the new 7.3L Ford gas melting plug wires. I don't have any specific information on the fix however.

https://www.jaycoowners.com/forums/f3/7-3-liter-gas-engine-78354.html

 

[Fender1325]

Very interesting. I'm on a very active ford forum and that's the first I've heard of that. On one hand, it's just spark plugs and wires - less of an expense compared to a CP4 failure....

On the other hand, regardless of brand, this covid thing is really screwing the supply chain. I feel bad for people who have new trucks and are waiting on parts.

In some ways it makes me want to just build an old truck and be done with it. But old crew cabs are rare.

 

[TDickerson]

[QUOTE="Fender1325, ] I feel bad for people who have new trucks and are waiting on parts.

Where are they coming from "CHINA"?

 

[sag2]

If you were annoyed by the MDS, you will be equally annoyed by the quick shifts of the Cummins. To stop it you will have to push the Tow/Haul button every time. So if you hated pushing the shifter button so much you sold a perfectly good truck you should probably get the Ford.

 

[gsbrockman]

FoMoCo alllllllllllllll the way.

 

[DonFitzwater]

FoMoCo alllllllllllllll the way.

Mopar or Nocar! To the OP, get the Ford gasser.

 

[Fender1325]

If you were annoyed by the MDS, you will be equally annoyed by the quick shifts of the Cummins. To stop it you will have to push the Tow/Haul button every time. So if you hated pushing the shifter button so much you sold a perfectly good truck you should probably get the Ford.

If I didn't, the truck would vibrate the whole cab at 1900 rpm. To turn it off, you'd have to scroll through the gear selector to gear 8 every single time you put it in drive. Pretty lame to have to do that just so it runs like a normal vehicle. I took it to the dealership. They replaced the active noise dampeners. Didn't change it. Then the steering wheel clock spring busted and the part was on order 4 months. Would make a ratcheting sound around every turn. Compile that with the failures of cam/lifters and I was pushed over the edge.

I don't think shift points would be quite as annoying, provided the truck is responsive to input and doesn't cause an unnatural vibration.

 

[Fender1325]

FoMoCo alllllllllllllll the way.

Sarcasm? With a ram in your profile

 

[Fender1325]

[QUOTE="Fender1325, ] I feel bad for people who have new trucks and are waiting on parts.

Where are they coming from "CHINA"?

Who knows. Likely not from America, same as the other brands. Clock spring in my 19 ram went bad and after 4 months I sold the truck (for other reasons). I'm not mad about it because I get it - covid has really messed up logistics for parts in everything.

 

[Ozymandias]

There must have been something wrong with this Truck.
There is a bazillion of this HEMIs on the road, but thats the first time i hear that it shacks an rattles in 4 cyl. Mode.
On my Durango the only thing for me to tell if it is on 4 is the Dash.

 

[Fender1325]

There must have been something wrong with this Truck.
There is a bazillion of this HEMIs on the road, but thats the first time i hear that it shacks an rattles in 4 cyl. Mode.
On my Durango the only thing for me to tell if it is on 4 is the Dash.

No, it was factory. The new HD Ram's go into eco mode more often and it is very noticeable. In and out. Regardless of speed or gear.

My buddy's 07 ram is seamless with the MDS.

 

[TFucili]

There must have been something wrong with this Truck.
There is a bazillion of this HEMIs on the road, but thats the first time i hear that it shacks an rattles in 4 cyl. Mode.
On my Durango the only thing for me to tell if it is on 4 is the Dash.

MDS is a real nuissance on the HDs. It did cause shudder on my '15 6.4, and my buddy's '19 is worse. It is a worthless gizmo on a 7K pound truck. It is a very common complaint on the gasser oriented forums. And Hemi tick, and cam/lifter trouble is more common than it should be.

 

[wyosteve]

MDS is a real nuissance on the HDs. It did cause shudder on my '15, and my buddy's '19 is worse. It is a worthless gizmo on a 7K pound truck. It is a very common complaint on the gasser oriented forums. And Hemi tick, and cam/lifter trouble is more common than it should be.

MDS is a real nuissance on the HDs. It did cause shudder on my '15, and my buddy's '19 is worse. It is a worthless gizmo on a 7K pound truck. It is a very common complaint on the gasser oriented forums. And Hemi tick, and cam/lifter trouble is more common than it should be.

 

[endoscott]

Guys

I'm considering the famous Cummins because I'll get the better looking truck and it'll last forever right? (Sarcasm)

The more research I do, the more concerned I am with committing to the diesel. All your standard failure items (EGR, DPF, etc) but that CP4 failure looks like a real b****, costing 10k in repairs +/-.

I want to buy whatever truck I do, and use it for 15 years. Let it become old trusty one day. QUOTE]

I absolutely love driving my 2014 CTD/AISIN. But I have had more CELS, recalls, mechanical, and electronic failures than all of my Japanese cars combined (2 Toyotas, 3 Hondas, 2 Acuras). At only 75,000 miles I have had failed GPS, failed radio unit, failed front wheel bearing and rear bearing seals, failed NOX sensors, and now the turbo actuator for which I am still waiting for some BS "approval". Inspector goes to dealer but apparently has to "have a meeting" now before dealer can fix. Meanwhile the old 2003 that my son drives now never has anything more than brakes, clutch, water pump type repairs. Afraid the newer they get the worse they seem to be! Was thinking about a 2022 RAM but really having 2nd thoughts. OTOH how much is this 2014 going to cost moving forward? is it going to strand me somewhere? I tow a heavy 5th wheel so diesel is important. Maybe I should steal my old truck back.

 

[Fender1325]

Not sure why but I can't see the last 2 posts they're just quotes

 

[DonFitzwater]

There must have been something wrong with this Truck.
There is a bazillion of this HEMIs on the road, but thats the first time i hear that it shacks an rattles in 4 cyl. Mode.
On my Durango the only thing for me to tell if it is on 4 is the Dash.

My 2015 with the 6.4 had terrible rattle during the MDS transition. They finally had a software update to reduce it but eventually had to change the motor mounts also.

 

[Fender1325]

Mine was enough that you could feel it in the gas pedal. Just a terrible design and saves you like 1 mpg. Pointless. Which is a shame because outside of that it did everything very well. Plenty fast, towed well enough.

 

[DonFitzwater]

Mine was enough that you could feel it in the gas pedal. Just a terrible design and saves you like 1 mpg. Pointless. Which is a shame because outside of that it did everything very well. Plenty fast, towed well enough.

Just remember, this is government mandated BS.