Timken Clutch Release bearing, NV5600

[Tuesdak]

Can you go in depth on why everyone decided to run a damaged in shipping transfer case? Did you discuss future cracks and if the busted off fins were a structural support or cooling?

I would have had the shipping co eat it and replace the broken case. So I am curious as to why you didn’t? Not there in person so just curious.

 

[bcbender]

I was going to say something similar...

I would've been more concerned with the sealing of damaged surfaces and indexing / alignment features and possible shaft / bearing damage due to impact.

 

[Darkbloodmon]

Can you go in depth on why everyone decided to run a damaged in shipping transfer case? Did you discuss future cracks and if the busted off fins were a structural support or cooling?

I would have had the shipping co eat it and replace the broken case. So I am curious as to why you didn’t? Not there in person so just curious.

It does bother me significantly that it was so close to its final destination and got damaged. Though looking at the pictures I requested be taken before shipping and when received back from shipping the damage doesn't appear structural. The owner of Pure Diesel Kernersville who received the pallet in person didn't think it was structural and felt confident about it. I took his judgement on it as I wasn't there in person just looking at the pictures. I'll get better pictures of it tomorrow. It looks worse than it is when I glimpsed at it.

I notified STG about it yesterday when I called about the warranty card. They organized the shipping through their "contract?" with R&L carriers. I have pictures of how it left NC and how it came back to NC so there isn't a dispute on my part. For what its worth It's not leaking and I didn't have any issues in 2H on the hour and a half trip back home.

I'll ask STG about the coverage of the warranty on it and weather they'll honor it if something comes up as a result of it. If I have the green light on warranty coverage I'll put it through its paces.

 

[Darkbloodmon]

I was going to say something similar...

I would've been more concerned with the sealing of damaged surfaces and indexing / alignment features and possible shaft / bearing damage due to impact.

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The gold ring just above the right most arrow is the input seal, the transmission has a recessed output and the T-case main shaft splines onto it coming in contact with the trans fluid. The space between the two arrows is hollow and had a lot of aluminum corrosion when I pulled it off my trans during the first removal.

On the topic of bearings, It appears the large Chinese Peer bearings and the NSK that I received back were from the transfer case assembly not the transmission. I realized this after watching a tear down and reassembly of a 271D off a 03 Cummins.

Looking at the tear down of the case; the front part of the housing (where my damage is) is pretty thick in cast material. If the perimeter between the studs had been cracked or chipped I'd wouldn't have let Pure Diesel Install it regardless of professional opinion.

 

[Darkbloodmon]

I need something strong to knock me out. Up shift into 3rd and 4th is grinding consistently Double clutch down shift into 4th is grinding and fighting.

Took it for a test drive on back roads. I had 233,078mi and the ambient temp was 65* leaving the house, Ambient was 55* when I pulled back in at 233,098mi (20mi difference) Trans temp didn't crest 130*.

I was told by Pure Diesel the Vehicle was test driven the latter part of the week before I picked it up this Monday. My truck was dropped off at Pure Diesel with 232,977mi. The drive from my house to pure diesel is 73.6 mi. I had 233,058mi on my truck when I parked it in my drive way after picking it up and driving it home Monday.

The difference in mileage between dropping off my truck at Pure diesel and it being in my driveway completed is 81 miles. 73.6 of those miles are me driving it home leaving 7.4mi to Pure Diesel for their test drive. I didn't get the trans up to temp in my 20mi test drive what the hell is a 7.4mi test drive on a rebuilt transmission and transfer case.

I noted yesterday when running errands coming back home driving in the neighborhood I miss shifted going from 2nd to 3rd and it was grinding. This was the first instance I noticed. The following day I can't get into 3rd with out grinding.

I'm calling both Pure Diesel and Standard Transmission and Gear. I don't understand how I'm the only one to catch this after it's been bench tested and "test driven" ffs MB Diesel put more miles on my truck "Diagnosing it" to tell me nothing when I test drove it on pick up day and it did every thing I said it was doing. I'm tired of being BS'ed.

 

[NIsaacs]

Remind me on why you replaced the clutch in the first place. What was it doing/not doing? How long did you own/drive it prior to? What oil are you using, past and present?

 

[BigPapa]

A 7-8 mile test drive is farther than most shops would have done.

 

[Darkbloodmon]

A 7-8 mile test drive is farther than most shops would have done.

I don't know their practice on it. But I'm very frustrated that only my eyes and ears are noticing things that aren't right after its been given the green light on completion. Maybe I should have specified to test drive it for x miles. Personally I wouldn't sleep on sending a rebuilt trans out the door after a 7mi test drive. Even more so if I didn't rebuild it. I'd make sure I covered all my bases on labor installation so that my work doesn't come into question at all.

I'm not pinning them for anything but their labor if it's found something was done incorrectly. I'm just disappointed that I had to be the one to find something wrong before it left.

 

[Darkbloodmon]

Remind me on why you replaced the clutch in the first place. What was it doing/not doing? How long did you own/drive it prior to? What oil are you using, past and present?

Preventative maintenance and the release bearing was growling and going out.

Truck had 207K mi on it when I received it, stock OEM clutch and stock lube levels. Fluid changed with Amsoil Manual synchro mesh 7 quarts total. Truck driven right till about 232K before clutch replacement.

This is the gist I have specific date time and mileage for all changes. Only ever used Amsoil MSM.

 

[Darkbloodmon]

Standard Transmission and Gear has been called an notified. They're going over the pictures and calling into question the transport on the damages shown in the pictures.

I'll send them over the video of me driving and the symptoms as soon as its done processing. Video link

Pure Diesel has been notified : "Just wanted to keep you in the loop. I did a 20mi test drive yesterday. Can't shift into 3rd or 4th without grinding. Double clutch down shifting in 4th and 3rd is fighting and grinding. Rebuilder has been called and notified, they're going over the pictures you took (thank you) and the transport is being called into question for the damages."

 

[Tuesdak]

If it wasn't for bad luck you wouldn't have any luck at all with this!

 

[Darkbloodmon]

If it wasn't for bad luck you wouldn't have any luck at all with this!

If im understanding this correctly its like "dark implies light, heaven implies hell?" bad luck implies that I've had some good?

 

[Darkbloodmon]

I called Standard Transmission and Gear today and they reviewed the video multiple times with their techs, master tech and staff and they agree it doesn't sound right. They don't believe the transmission internals could've been damaged as easily as the transfer case internals(potentially), but one of the ideas floating around until they get it and look at it is bad synchro's. It's under warranty as long as nothing is burnt up from low oil.

After talking with them, the best case scenario would be for me to bring my truck down there, they said they wouldn't charge for a removal and installation as it would be under warranty which is great and really standout on customer service. But the small catch is I have to get my truck there 1100 miles away. I reached out on my local (NC) 4x4 forum in the hauling sub asking if anyone was willing to take me and my truck down one way and for what price. Though its not looking like anyone will bite. So im potentially looking at driving down myself dropping the truck off and staying in a near by inn for a few days while they work on it. I'm already out 1100.00 bones for a removal and installation at Pure Diesel.

Standard Transmission and Gear is opening up a damage claim with R&L carriers but one of the managers said typically its futile. The tech who unloaded the pallet at Pure Diesel didn't notify the driver of the damages or notate it on the bill of lading which didn't help, but the pictures are still solid evidence.

 

[BigPapa]

Standard Transmission and Gear is opening up a damage claim with R&L carriers but one of the managers said typically its futile.

Seems to be the norm these days. A FedEx driver backed into my son's Mustang in our driveway. FedEx denied the claim saying the driver said he never backed or pulled into our driveway. I don't have any cameras but I had two witnesses that saw him backed into the driveway. $3,000 damage. His uninsured motorist insurance covered all but his $200 deductible.

 

[bcbender]

yep...... Fedex drove across my yard and left 6" ruts. I don't have a dually and I watched him.. but driver says .. not me

No accountability seems to be the way the country is going... don't like your job, quit (collect govt pay) not getting paid enough, quit (collect govt pay) damage something (deny it) do something against policy (deny it)...

A real life version of the 90s movie Idiocracy..... strap in its gonna be a bumpy ride.

 

[bcbender]

if anyone was willing to take me and my truck down one way and for what price.

Might try U ship.. or another internet bidding site... I got a quote a few years back when I was looking at Broncos out in CA for about $750 one way to ship the truck... way cheaper than the fuel cost would've been, especially now. Have them haul it then fly down when its done and have them pick you up, flight would likely be cheaper than a hotel for a week. JM2C

 

[Darkbloodmon]

Might try U ship.. or another internet bidding site... I got a quote a few years back when I was looking at Broncos out in CA for about $750 one way to ship the truck... way cheaper than the fuel cost would've been, especially now. Have them haul it then fly down when its done and have them pick you up, flight would likely be cheaper than a hotel for a week. JM2C

That may be an option besides moving it down myself, but at this point the less hands touching my truck during transport the better, that and sometimes its better to explain what's happening, what I know and what's been done in person versus over a phone.

It's going to be expensive either way... I offered 600.00 when a local forum member was potentially interested but hes eating 400 in fuel alone with his Duramax. 200 for a one shot 1100 mile trip doesn't sound all that enticing to me either.

On my last highway trip I hit my best mileage and longest distance per 52 gallon tank at around 800+ miles (I have it in my log book), Unloaded I could make the trip in just under two tanks. 5th and 6th gear are fine. I might just suck it up and drive it down myself.

 

[Darkbloodmon]

flight would likely be cheaper than a hotel for a week

I'm likely just going to drive it down and catch a flight out. This is a better option after thinking about it.

 

[Tuesdak]

It's going to be expensive either way... I offered 600.00 when a local forum member was potentially interested but hes eating 400 in fuel alone with his Duramax. 200 for a one shot 1100 mile trip doesn't sound all that enticing to me either.

Offer more to have it hauled there then fly down and get it when it's done. Bluntly with your luck it will go from noise to not moving and need to be towed... somewhere past the point of no return. This is a long trip for a vehicle with a powertrain issue/problem. If it locks up and say spits the driveshaft out at 65+MPH it would have been cheaper to "ship it".

 

[Darkbloodmon]

Money is an object right about now. Correct me if im wrong in my understanding of the grinding im getting. But on the assumption that everything else in the transmission is fine except the synchro's on 3rd and 4th gear. The noise being heard are the engagement teeth catching right?

I made it 70mi home with no issue and none the wiser of 3rd and 4th acting up. This trip would be 95% highway using 5th and 6th gear which I've had no issues with.

I asked someone with the same transmission an dual disk clutch what RPMs they shift at when he floats (100% of the time) They're saying 2K to 2500. He has over 540K miles on an original NV56 and tows just under 26K. I'm going to give it a shot and practice it on some back roads.

I know things can always get worse, but at some point my luck has to turn around unless im just damned.