Cummins in the news.

[Diesel85]

Speculation is that it might be the HO engine and not the whole 6.7's. Will have to wait till next month to find out for sure. Yes, it seems to be another attack on the diesel engine market! Seem so strange that the EU has a primary of diesel powered vehicles and the exact opposite here in the USA. Yet the more emission related equipment on diesels let alone gasoline engines is killing them! Seems to be the next "big" push to EV which is funny that the Maine vote is delayed with the 400K+ power outages that have been multiple days! May need to rethink these EV pushes as lives depend on getting out and electric may not be available! The Government may need bigger generators to run charging stations!!!!!!!!!!!

I feel the need rant too... and I totally agree it is a direct attack on the diesel engine market!

I have the same feelings. Something ain't right and I feel like I have a tinfoil hat on sometimes, but as times goes on... well, gee, I guess my predictions were correct. Not as crazy as I thought.

Where I live, out in the country, I lost power at least 10x a year mostly during the hot summer months and really cold months. On top of that, everything we got is SWER (single wire earth return) and it's not designed for the high electrical load. This past summer we lost power for an entire day only because a SWER line literally melted and dropped across a roadway. I felt guilty for running my air conditioning after that. Then I hear the same thing, that we will be experiencing more power outages and grid loss. So yeah, the government will buy large diesel gensets to match it right?!

EV is not the answer to anything. If anything, we need to get off the dependence of electricity and balance it out with other natural resources. I'm trying my best not to run stuff off electricity, that includes solar. I don't like electric other than for lighting.

My furnace crapped out on me earlier this year, and my local HVAC guy said NO to heat pumps with supplement electric heat. He said I would not like it and it would cost me more. He was able to get me hooked up with a nice dual burner 100k BTU propane furnace, with a R-410a A/C unit. Last year to get the R-410a units, before the flammable and less efficient R-32 and R-454B refrigerants take over.

Then on top of that, my last electric statement was $0.25 KWh (included delivery, taxes, usage, etc). I don't hardly use any electricity and my electric bill keeps jumping up and up, while I see my propane bill going down, down, down. Oh, and let's not forget my diesel truck. Since the prices have been steadily dropping, I'm saving money now driving a diesel versus a gasser.

I do small talk when filling up my truck with other diesel owners, and most of them feel the same way. So I know I'm not going nuts.

Driving, cooking, and home/business heating need to run off bio fuels (including wood) and fossil fuels. Other stuff can be electric.

Furthermore, the diesel engine is truthfully the only way forward that makes sense, not only on paper, but in real life.

 

[Jay P]

Speculation is that it might be the HO engine and not the whole 6.7's.

Can't be since 2500s are included.

 

[Ozymandias]

Diesel sales in Europe plummeted after the VW affair. Now it's all hybrid and full EV.
For example, the whole JEEP line up that one can buy is now all hybrid or EV. They push really hard to Electric now from Brussels.
The coming EURO7 standard will almost be impossible to match with any internal combustion engine and almost all manufacturers stopped engineering new engines aside from BMW. If it comes like they want the last internal combustion engine for Passenger vehicles will be sold in around six years or so.

That's Europe.

 

[Diesel85]

Diesel sales in Europe plummeted after the VW affair. Now it's all hybrid and full EV.
For example, the whole JEEP line up that one can buy is now all hybrid or EV. They push really hard to Electric now from Brussels.
The coming EURO7 standard will almost be impossible to match with any internal combustion engine and almost all manufacturers stopped engineering new engines aside from BMW. If it comes like they want the last internal combustion engine for Passenger vehicles will be sold in around six years or so.

That's Europe.

I heard about that. It's not going to last very long though because of many differing reasons... I'll let you all figure that out by reading the news.

A hint might be those who grew up in fear in the 1940-1960's era. You'll understand.

 

[06 Dodge]

No definitely not!

The problem is the definition of a "defeat device" - the article doesn't say what it was.

Read into it, some of these "defeats" keep the system from destroying itself under certain conditions.

There must be a new definition of Defeat from EPA, I'm dead sure that Cummins did not cheat the way we define cheat. Especially not on a new engine generation 2019+.

Can someone find out what actually the problem was????

From what I read else where Cummins is not admitting to doing any thing wrong, so I wonder if its a simple as a decimal point being put in the wrong spot, one of the many programs they use gave them output numbers or a stupid fat finger input error, or did the EPA give them bad info to work with as in set them up to fail....

 

[Diesel85]

Here's something to think about...

Why is Cummins on the hook? Stellantis buys from Cummins an engine with that other than most of the long block is different than what they sell to all other manufacturers for medium duty trucks.

Its my understanding the pump and cam are Ram specific as of course as the ECM which is supplied by Stellantis. Its not like one can even use HD truck software to get in a Cummins ram computer or vice versa, they are completely different animals.

 

[nukegm]

a take on this from " tfl trucks "

cheers

 

[Turbo Terry]

Good review thank you

 

[Ozymandias]

So we know that we know nothing.

 

[Tuesdak]

I'll put on my tinfoil hat and say that I still think it's a conspiracy for people control.

I wonder what Diesel engine will replace the Cummins or will China buy Cummins assets out of bankruptcy? "Not made here" agenda moves forward. Frankly the near zero NOx limits are unobtainable and have a well running engine. Meanwhile we stand by and watch non-stop forest fires Block Out The Sun for weeks at a time every single year!

I agree with you and it's clear as day in the following statement.

EPA Administrator Michael Regan said “vulnerable communities are more likely to reside near highways where these harmful emissions are concentrated, making this agreement critical to advancing our environmental justice agenda.”

Ref:

https://nypost.com/2023/12/22/busin...ecord-1-7b-fine-for-emissions-defeat-devices/

The internet is killing the Ram 2500 right now with its class low GVWR of 10K lbs. Any forum/group/etc is pushing GVWR/payload as a legally binding number everywhere and that really hurts the 10K Ram with a 6.7.

Ram is the only 3/4 ton without a 11K+ GVWR. It’s time for a change.

Yes, it's time for a change for a more usable number from RAM if that's the real reason for low numbers. It would be interesting to know what else has to change for this to happen for a 2500 RAM like taxes, different emissions classification, different Electric vehicle subsidy carbon credit tax, CAFE if it applies... Taxes: My 3500 requires commercial plates here in AZ where a 2500 doesn't.

After shopping for a slide in truck camper I got an education on this. Anyone thinking about going over the GVWR, a number clearly printed on the driver door jamb and spelled out as a hard limit in the owner's manual, should first contact their insurance company and their attorney who may need to defend them or not sue their insurance company when they refuse to pay.

Specific Example: In Arizona they passed a "Stupid Law" intended to make people pay for their own rescue from driving into flooded washes and injuries from not wearing a seatbelt. Law has been used by insurance companies to NOT PAY claims if the TV, Tow Vehicle, is overloaded and totals out both the TV and trailer. An eye opening reference from my own attorney that did not involve major injuries or dead bodies: just the totaled write off by the owner of both the TV and trailer involved as their insurance Walked Away due to going over GCWR. Yes, lawyers are not going to sue the insurance and win this one.

It's what, over a $100,000 gamble for the pickup alone now and add trailer cost? Because as above insurance will not pay. Any injuries, dead bodies... We didn't say it was your fault. We said "Gross Negligence" because this overloaded vehicle should not have even been on the road. There is another thread on here where Colorado handed out a 100+ year sentence, but, the big boat that overloaded and burned off the brakes off a 3500 Ford DRW ... there were enough dead bodies that they threw the book at the driver to see what would stick including "you should have been running commercial so now these laws apply to the situation as well".

We can debate all day long about One leaf spring difference if even that mechanically. End of the day the Owners' Manual says clearly several times "Do Not Overload any single number." Like the one clearly printed on the driver door jamb. That's pretty tough to overcome. The only way I know of is a vehicle upfitter that will take on the liability and put another sticker on the door jamb with their company name on it.

End of they day NO ONE on this forum is going to defend you for free advice given. You have to do your own due diligence. As above I suggest better resources to answer this question.

 

[Road Dog]

That video sounds like a big pile of speculation.

 

[bcbender]

Well here where I live there is no shortage of trucks running around that are over (some way over) the GCVWR. Mine is close with my 5er weighing in around 16k...but the 50' triaxle toy-haulers are well north of 20k and nobody is towing them with single cab 2wd trucks...

 

[AH64ID]

Well here where I live there is no shortage of trucks running around that are over (some way over) the GCVWR. Mine is close with my 5er weighing in around 16k...but the 50' triaxle toy-haulers are well north of 20k and nobody is towing them with single cab 2wd trucks...

Close to GVWR or GCWR?

A 16K trailer wouldn’t put me close to my GCWR or GVWR, unless there was a cab full of people and a bed full of other stuff. Your 2020 should be similar. I have a GCWR of 33,610.

At the end of the day the only rating that really matters for me is RAWR, since I’ve always hit that before anything else… aside from GVWR, but that’s meaningless.

 

[bcbender]

Oops.. I was reading the wrong column.. so I have a few thousand pounds of margin...

 

[Jebruns]

That video sounds like a big pile of speculation.

I like TFL, but I agree. Really not worth watching the video, nothing concrete in there at all.

 

[06 Dodge]

I read the press release not the BS from news or U-tube where it clearly stated what Cummins did is all Alleged, as I see it if the state of CA and DOJ had 1000% proof against Cummins they would not be using the word Alleged so many times like they did would not be settling it like this and Cummins has stated they did nothing wrong ( so far no one from DOJ or State of CA is saying that what Cummins is telling the new is a lie) also if they were going to use some sort of defeat programing why would they only use it on some engines and not others, once I found out the state of CA was involved it gives me pause/ reason to believe most of the claims are BS...

 

[Diesel85]

I read the press release not the BS from news or U-tube where it clearly stated what Cummins did is all Alleged, as I see it if the state of CA and DOJ had 1000% proof against Cummins they would not be using the word Alleged so many times like they did would not be settling it like this and Cummins has stated they did nothing wrong ( so far no one from DOJ or State of CA is saying that what Cummins is telling the new is a lie) also if they were going to use some sort of defeat programing why would they only use it on some engines and not others, once I found out the state of CA was involved it gives me pause/ reason to believe most of the claims are BS...

Are you referring to this:
https://investor.cummins.com/news/d...s-agreement-in-principle-to-settle-regulatory

 

[06 Dodge]

Are you referring to this:
https://investor.cummins.com/news/d...s-agreement-in-principle-to-settle-regulatory

No, the link below that I was referring to the DOJ statement, the DOJ statement does not have the Cummins statement that I read about else where they say they did nothing wrong and I did not book mark that one

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/stat...nd-agreement-principle-cummins-settle-alleged

 

[Regen]

The internet is killing the Ram 2500 right now with its class low GVWR of 10K lbs. Any forum/group/etc is pushing GVWR/payload as a legally binding number everywhere and that really hurts the 10K Ram with a 6.7.

Ram is the only 3/4 ton without a 11K+ GVWR. It’s time for a change.

The 10,000lb GVWR allows trucks to be used for certain businesses to run under the 10,001lb DOT regs for commercial vehicles.

I run a 2500 and I can pull a 14k GVWR trailer all over the state of Texas and not have to run a log book. I can run a hot shot anywhere in the U.S. and not have to run a log book or pull into weigh stations.
I want the 10,000lb GVWR.

 

[AH64ID]

The 10,000lb GVWR allows trucks to be used for certain businesses to run under the 10,001lb DOT regs for commercial vehicles.

I run a 2500 and I can pull a 14k GVWR trailer all over the state of Texas and not have to run a log book. I can run a hot shot anywhere in the U.S. and not have to run a log book or pull into weigh stations.
I want the 10,000lb GVWR.

Absolutely, there are a small percentage of users that benefit from a 10K GVWR, which is why the other 2 mfgrs have a 10K GVWR option and why Ram has a 10K GVWR option on the 3500 SRW C&C.

Keep it an option for those that want it, but having all the 2500’s that way is killing sales.



Also, it’s very easy to modify the GVWR in accordance with federal code. That means you could buy a 14K GVWR pickup and drop the GVWR to 10K. Lookup
49 CFR § 567.7.