04½ Oil Analysis Results

[Mundgyver]

I got mine through OILTECH



They are listed at 8930 Chemainus RD, Chemainus, BC. Canada V0r-1K5, Phone # 250 246-2046 Voice and 250 246-2079 Fax with a toll free number of 1-888-785-0027.



There web site is http://www.oil-tech.com/spinerii.htm



Hope this helps.

 

[radar doctor]

very good article... DOC

 

[puebla]

Mundgyver: Thanks for all the info!

 

[Mundgyver]

The oil report attached shows 3 samples. The latest sample has a high copper content. This I believe is from the fittings into the spinner and the bushings in the spinner. I have changed the oil base on the fact that I found that the spinner was not working as described earlier. But it is fixed now. The mileage on the oil shows as 1,636. They left off a 0. The mileage is 16,360 miles on this oil and 156,350 miles on the engine. I will be sending in another sample next week to establish an new base line on the fresh oil I put in this week. So this gives you guys a feel for the mod. I will continue to post updates and will make this a long term afair. I am working on a spread sheet that I will be able to attach so as the data is gathered, we will be able to see at a glance what is going on.



Hope this helps out the area of understanding oil reports

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

I'm guessing that the stuck inlet valve left the internal rotating parts running dry, and that caused accellerated bushing wear inside the Spinner itself?

 

[Mundgyver]

Yep, thats kind of what I think, but the spinner works off the oil pressure. But it could have come from the 2 quarts of oil I added during my last trip. I found I was low and grapped some regular oil to get me by till I got home. I was not too concerned. The back of the report says that copper is an additive in some oils used in gasoline engines. So I am thinking that it came from there. .



I will be sending in another sampe in a week, so we shall see how this all works out. I'm not worried, just frustrated with myself for not have picked up on the problem during my initial install.

 

[puebla]

Mundgyver: Any new updates? How does your oil look now?

 

[amsoilman]

The oil report attached shows 3 samples. The latest sample has a high copper content. This I believe is from the fittings into the spinner and the bushings in the spinner. I have changed the oil base on the fact that I found that the spinner was not working as described earlier. But it is fixed now. The mileage on the oil shows as 1,636. They left off a 0. The mileage is 16,360 miles on this oil and 156,350 miles on the engine. I will be sending in another sample next week to establish an new base line on the fresh oil I put in this week. So this gives you guys a feel for the mod. I will continue to post updates and will make this a long term afair. I am working on a spread sheet that I will be able to attach so as the data is gathered, we will be able to see at a glance what is going on.



Hope this helps out the area of understanding oil reports

Here's an interesting bit of information for you regarding copper content in Diesel Oil.



QUOTE "Per Caterpillar, high levels of copper found in oil analysis are a result of engine cooler core "leaching". The Zinc additive in Diesel Motor oil reacts with the copper cooler core tubes at high oil temperatures. This chemical reaction results in copper oxidation products forming on the surface of the tubes and then coming off into the oil as it washes over and around the tubes. Heat is a catylist to this chemical reaction. The higher the oil temperature the greater the rate of oxidation and the longer the reaction process is sustained. This does not cause any damage to the cooler core, or to the engine. However, you will see the copper reading elevate to over 100 PPM. Copper is not a particulate in this case but is in solution in the oil. The PPM will start relativley low and increase over 100 PPM and stay at high levels for several intervals, and then return to normal. During the oxidation process, a hard film forms on the tube surfaces exhibiting the appearance of clear varnish. Changes in operating temperatures, and/or changing oil brands can chemically disrupt this film and begin the oxidative leaching processes again. This can occur in any system with a cooler core:Gasoline or Diesel engines transmissions or hydraulic systems. " END QUOTE





Wayne

amsoilman

 

[Mundgyver]

That is interesting about the copper. I have a new sample on my desk ready for mail out. When I get the results back next week I will post them. I want to get about 40 hours of run time on the Spinner before I take it apart again. With this new fresh oil, it will be interesting, especially now that I know it is working. I like it when I shut down and can hear it winding down.

 

[puebla]

Mundgyver: Please keep us updated on the Spinner II. Thanks.

 

[Mundgyver]

I got my sample back and will post the numbers this week after I get off work on Tuesday.

 

[JPereira]

I am curious how the oil physically looks on the dipstick. When checking the oil is it still black on the dipstick or is the spinner II visibly clearing the oil up?

Thanks, Jeff

 

[Mundgyver]

I plan on pulling the spinner apart this week also and will be taking pictures that I can post. If you are thinking that it will be clean as in new to slightly used, it is not. It is dark, but not as dark black as usual. When I get the spinner apart, I should find what looks almost like a black paste on the outer edges. This will be the soot being compressed.



We have had a couple of problem as mentioned before, but everything is in good working order now. I know that when I shut the engine down, I can hear it wind down in speed. Takes about 30 to 45 seconds for the humming to stop.

 

[JPereira]

Mundgyver,

Not expecting to have clean oil, just cleaner. I had read a post of a TP bypass filter where the person stated he could read the markings on the dipstick. I am running a bypass filter setup and after changing the oil and running for minutes I cannot read the markings on my dipstick. I am interested in the spinnerII as it just seems to make sense on getting the soot out of the oil. Has it cleaned the oil up to the point you can see the markings thru the oil or is it still dark enough to hide the markings?



Thanks, Jeff

 

[Mundgyver]

Almost, would have to be my answer to that. The oil looks better and feels better on the fingers. I just did a 1,000 miles this last Friday and Saturday and am thinking about sending in another sample. Got to look at my bills first though.

 

[scotty1]

I just got my results back from 10,000 miles on Rotella 15W40



TBN 8. 0 up from 7. 7 with the Mobil oil with 6500 miles on it.



Silicon was 5 PPM with the UNI Two Layer filter. As good as I ever got with paper.



I do an oil analysis each season... I was in a lot of very dusty agricultural settings following combines with this batch.



Scotty

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

Mundgyver,

Not expecting to have clean oil, just cleaner. I had read a post of a TP bypass filter where the person stated he could read the markings on the dipstick. I am running a bypass filter setup and after changing the oil and running for minutes I cannot read the markings on my dipstick. I am interested in the spinnerII as it just seems to make sense on getting the soot out of the oil. Has it cleaned the oil up to the point you can see the markings thru the oil or is it still dark enough to hide the markings?



Thanks, Jeff

You might be talking about THIS pic:



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The above was taken using a Frantz bypass filter, and about 12,000 miles (as I recall) on Delo 400 15/40 - but I can tell you for a fact, the Frantz *NOR* the Spinner are gonna get your dirty oil that clean after "running for minutes"! :-laf



The Frantz bypass in particular only allows a few quarts per minute to circulate thru it, and a mere "few minutes" aren't gonna get the oil clean with EITHER system!



In my case, it takes several hundred MILES of driving to clean up oil that has turned black from steady soot accumulations.



These filters are GOOD, but they're not miracle devices! :-laf



Sure will be interested in seeing how effective the Spinner oil analysis is compared to the Frantz tho'.

 

[Mundgyver]

Good picture, my oil is a little darker than that, but not much. What I like about the Spinner II is that it flows . 9 gal a minute at pressure. So every 3 minutes, all the oil or almost all of the oil in my system is passing through it. I got it for one thing only and that is soot removal. The reason I went with the Spinner II was that I can take it apart and clean it and re-use it. So once installed, there are no further cost in theory.



The other item is that when I first installed it and checked it after about 20 hours of run time I got a thick black (coal black) paste/tar out of it. That is what impressed me the most. I will be posting picture this week when I get it apart and I will keep posting my reports from Blackstone as I take them. This is a long term project and thread I hope.



I wish we could could, maybe we can, I am not sure, post a spread sheet that could be opened. That would make it easy for me to just update a sheet that everyone could look at for the oil sample reports. .

 

[JPereira]

Gary,



That is the article I was thinking of. In my previous Post I was trying to say after changing my oil it is black within minutes. From New clean oil and filters to Black in a matter of minutes. Does not seem right. . The Spinner interests me because nothing to change. Just empty and clean on some type of schedule. How often does the spinner needs to be emptied? Miles? Hours?



Thanks, Jeff

 

[Mundgyver]

What I am doing is submitting a sample every 7,500 miles when I get on schedule. Using that 7,500 mark as my base I do the following, pull a hot sample while the engine is running from my sampling port. I then change my regular filter pre-charging it with fresh oil. Pull the Spinner apart and clean it and then just run. That is my plan, right now I am pulling a couple extra samples because of my goof up on the install that I mentioned earlier in the thread.



This will take you to my original post and shows how I did the install



https://www.turbodieselregister.com/forums/showthread.php?t=133882