04.5 Fed emmision sold to cali resident

[jadoca]

the 7500 mile rule does not apply to a CA. resident buying a new vehicle out of state. the vehicle must have been registered prior to another out of state party unless it is a 50 state compliant vehicle.



regards,

 

[jadoca]

and yes the vin number will most likey supercede the valve cover, not a good idea.



regards,

 

[RTuvell]

Originally posted by jadoca

the 7500 mile rule does not apply to a CA. resident buying a new vehicle out of state. the vehicle must have been registered prior to another out of state party unless it is a 50 state compliant vehicle.



regards,

If you want to "go by the book", here's the way it has been explained to me:



A California resident cannot register a "new vehicle" in California unless the vehicle complies with the California emission limits. By definition in California law, a "new vehicle" is any vehicle with less than 7500 miles on the odometer "at the time of purchase". Therefore, a California resident is also prohibited from purchasing a vehicle with less than 7500 miles on it, drive it until it exceeds 7500 miles on the odometer and then get it registered in California.

 

[bpenrod]

I am wondering if anyone thought to check the Vehicle Emission Control Information lable on the truck? There is nothing in the VIN specific to emissions but that lablel is. It's usally on top the radiator support. Just wondering what it says. Also, I thought I saw something about "Border States" emissions somewhere. I'll try to remember where and dig it up.

 

[ChrisTucker]

I thought that the new "2004. 5 600" was 50 state compliant??? If it is, why would you need a Cali sticker if it meets 50 state standards??

 

[bpenrod]

From the Cummins wedsite:



Cleaner Emissions



The Cummins 600 Turbo Diesel is not only more powerful, it's also cleaner. Particulates and nitrogen oxides have been reduced to meet the 2004 emission standards. Now the Cummins 600 meets all US federal and state emission requirements.

 

[RTuvell]

Originally posted by ChrisTucker

I thought that the new "2004. 5 600" was 50 state compliant??? If it is, why would you need a Cali sticker if it meets 50 state standards??

This issue was covered in a thread at the beginning of this year. There still has to be a "separate sticker" on the vehicle that states it complies with the California emission limits in order to register it as a new vehicle in California.



Member TomeyGun was one of the first to determine that only dealers in California and bordering states could order the trucks with the California emission sticker. I've heard that getting the California approved trucks is now possible beyond the border states but I haven't confirmed this.

 

[thejeepdude]

Exactly, it's just a f'd up way for the CA polititians to keep CA money in CA. It really doesn't make ANY sense, since even if I bought a vehicle in OR where there's no sales tax, I'd still have to pay sales tax to CA when I registered it, so what do they lose? Nothing. I wish the governator would abolish that BS like he did the stupid car tax (VLF). Alternatively, it would be nice if DC just included the CA sticker on ALL vehicles, since they all meet CA requirements anyways. That's the hope with the '05s... rumor is they're going to do that, but as Tomeygun said, "I'll believe it when I see an '05 with my own eyes. "

 

[scootergmc]

Mail/Call/Email your state congressman/senator/representative. While this is usually ineffective, there are hopes a college intern will read it. By the people, for the people.



Anyone have the VIN decoder? I don't think there's a designation for a CA model, since they're all 50 staters. I'm still all for the valve cover swap.

 

[klenger]

Even though there may not be a field in the VIN for CA emissions, the VIN data base could keep track of CA emissions by the serial number part of the VIN. I don't know for a fact this is true, only stating you would not want to get caught if it is true.



Any bets that this whole mess is propigated by the CA car dealers themselves? I'm sure they have a good lobby with the CA legislature.

 

[kshimizu]

Did the dealer tell you you would be able to register the truck in CA? When I bought my 02 while going to school and living in Vegas. I had a CA drivers license and they said I would not be able to register it in CA. They said they couldn't sell it to me if I used my parents CA address so I had to use an out of state address. There are still a few issues if you go to register it in NV. You need proof of insurance beforehand. Our insurance was with So Cal AAA which is not part of the CSAA coverage. So I couldn't get Nevada insurance through them. If your insurance is nationwide not a problem I guess. The other thing to think about is that insurance in Las Vegas and most locations in Clark County is pretty high. I got a couple quotes and they were all double my old rate.



Like someone else said, you can't buy a new vehicle out of state with the intentions of waiting 7500 miles and going to register it. The 7500 mile thing is possible. You must have paperwork that shows an address outside of CA and everything matches up, drivers license, insurance, etc. Drive around with drive-away permits and rack up the miles as fast as you can. Once you have 7500 miles go into the DMV and register it. So long your dealer paperwork didn't have CA written on it you should be fine. Tell them you bought the truck when you were out of state and had no idea you'd be moving to CA.



In the case that DMV was able to take a copy of your MSO (the green one right?) with CA address on it, I'm not sure what you can do about that. Looks like you'll have to register it out of state. I would talk to your dealer and tell them what happened and work something out with them. They can always change the address on all of your sales paperwork.



You tried to do things the right way and be legal and they won't let you. It is interesting that your truck doesn't have CA Border Emissions when Vegas is only 30-40 miles from Stateline and Oregon trucks do. Goodluck getting it registered, I'm sure you'll figure something out.

 

[trailexplorer]

Originally posted by RTuvell

The CSAA (California AAA) web site says very clearly that they DO NOT have the authority to register out of state vehicles and that you have to go to the DMV for this type of registration. Maybe somehow there are folks who got AAA to do it, but the web site is very clear on this issue.



trailexplorer,



First, let me say I hate that California has so many restrictions that limit our ability to purchase vehicles. I see absolutely no benefits to these laws.



The way I see it, the question is who is at fault in this specific situation. The requirement that new vehicles registered in California must meet the California emissions limits is a well known law that has been around for decades (mind you, I don't agree that we need this law).



If you the purchaser were not aware of this requirement then you are at fault.



If your vehicle does not comply with the California emissions limits then you really can't fault the DMV for refusing to register your vehicle, it's the law.



Did you ever discuss this requirement with the Nevada dealer at the time of ordering/purchase? Do you have anything in writing from the Nevada dealer that clearly states they are selling you a vehicle that complies with the California emission requirements? Do you have any basis for going back to the dealer and hold them accountable?



If you are left holding the bag in this situation, then you will have to resort to some kind of trickery such as out of state registration or changing the valve cover as someone else suggested (great idea if it works).

 

[trailexplorer]

Thanks for that info RTuvell. If we all knew everything and were not ignorant top some extent, TDR would have no purpose.



BTW I am not pointing fingers I just want to see if anyone has had a similar misfortune and the possible fix to it.



The dealer is getting back to me. See how that goes. ;-)

 

[jarmar]

I have a 04. 5 which I ordered from Carson Dodge in Carson City, NV and I live and registered the truck in California. During the DMV process an agent came out to the truck to view the California sticker before I could complete the process.



The truck was ordered with a special part number which was the California sticker. My understanding is that the trucks are exactly the same, but though emissions approval for most states is done by a representative sample, for California each truck much be emissions tested individually.



I have a jpg of the label but was not able to attach it. Be glad to email it if you want to pm me with your email address.



jr

 

[sarj]

I went the AZ route instead of Nevada, and ordered the truck, and I'm pretty sure I remember trailexplorer saying he ordered his. I just got off the phone with the AZ dealer I dealt with and he gave me what should be pretty good info.



When you order a truck, you give an address... . they even wanted a photo-fax of my ID. They got a CA address from me. When he's running down the list of options on an order, there is a check-off on Calif emmisions. It is the dealers responsibility for that check off if he is ordering a truck for CA. Once that's done, the rest is automatic, and when the truck arrives you gots your sticker that says it "conforms to California regulations for the 200X model year". This is on the valve cover sticker. You HAVE to be a border state to be able to order it. When I picked up the truck, I had him point it out to me so I knew I wouldn't have any problems. If the truck is ordered this way, I'm figuring the responsibility is on the dealer and that's where recourse is. An interesting note is that he had a driver & I go to the border together, and in front of a notary, we actually had the change of possession take place in Blythe, CA. I didn't ask, but I'm guessin' there is a very good reason for it. This dealer advertises in SoCal, and does a good business here, so he's had lots of practice. He was also 1700 less than the best deal I could get in SoCal, so a $100 plane fight was a no-brainer.



If you pick it up off the lot instead of ordering it, you would probably run these kind of problems, but then the guy I bought mine from said it would be the dealers responsibility to find out the destination state and not sell an illegal truck.



Now the funny part... I'm waiting for my ownership paper from the dealer so I can register mine ... 'cept everything I heard also checked out with what AAA told me, & they've seen the truck and they said 'no problem, we'll do it all here (in their local office vs. DMV ), as soon as the title document comes.



This is the kind of headache no one needs, and I'd be lookin' to sort it out right, just in case some vehicle inspection down the road turns out to bite you in the ask me no questions and I'll tell you no lies. ( not that I have resorted to lying or cheating in some past life getting a 70 F250 through smog or anything ). Keep the dealer responsible through registration until it's right. I'm sure dealers are under legal obligations when it comes to something as heavily regulated as the automotive industry. Just an opinion though.



sarj



PS- thanks to all TDR members for this forum... . this is my first diesel and if it weren't for TDR, I might have bought a F**D. I've had it a week, and it gets better everyday.

 

[klenger]

I sure hope this story has a ending.

 

[thejeepdude]

Originally posted by kshimizu

It is interesting that your truck doesn't have CA Border Emissions when Vegas is only 30-40 miles from Stateline and Oregon trucks do.

Oregon trucks as a whole do NOT... however they are ABLE to order CA trucks, just as any other border state can.

 

[GCross]

Originally posted by timjones

Join AAA then register through them. You can do it all the same day and only costs 65 dollars and you have AAA for a year.

AAA cannot register a new out of state vehicle. I tried it and they informed me that because the vehicle has to be verified by a DMV inpector I would have to go the DMV office.

 

[GCross]

Originally posted by scootergmc

Here's a pic of mine. Looks like all you may have to do is swap valve covers w/ someone. Not that I condone that behavior or anything. After all, this is the mother of all DMVs.



Hope this works...

Sounds good unless there's a code in the VIN that designates CARB or FED. Better check this first to avoid any legal problems.

 

[GCross]

Originally posted by klenger

I sure hope this story has a ending.

THE END!!!