04.5 Fed emmision sold to cali resident

[trailexplorer]

My 04. 5 registration attempt failed. They said it did not meet the california emissions requirement do to the fact that the verbage on the engine sticker did not say anything other than US emissions... Even though there was a "carb" rating on the right side of the valve cover sticker. (Didn't have any numbers under it thought) Anyone have a pict of a cali certified 04. 5? Please send me a pict so i can confront DMV or drive back to the dealer in LAS VEGAS. Any help/ideas. I am faced with never registering the truck if the dmv did actually copy my MSO. I just grabed it and left.



If i didnt have a great job in cali I would move from this messed up state. Just some frustration being vented... thanks

 

[thejeepdude]

Well, at least that answer THAT question! Let us know how it goes giving your truck back... or if you manage to sneak it through somehow.

 

[timjones]

Join AAA then register through them. You can do it all the same day and only costs 65 dollars and you have AAA for a year.

 

[sarj]

AMEN to AAA... . only way to go!

 

[thejeepdude]

Originally posted by timjones

Join AAA then register through them. You can do it all the same day and only costs 65 dollars and you have AAA for a year.

AAA made me go to the DMV when I tried to register my out of state '99 with them... that was a used vehicle though, haven't tried it wiht a new one.

 

[trailexplorer]

Originally posted by timjones

Join AAA then register through them. You can do it all the same day and only costs 65 dollars and you have AAA for a year.

My 04. 5 registration attempt failed. They said it did not meet the california emissions requirement do to the fact that the verbage on the engine sticker did not say anything other than US emissions... Even though there was a "carb" rating on the right side of the valve cover sticker. Any help/ideas. I am faced with never registering the truck if the dmv did actually copy my MSO. I just grabed it and left. If i didnt have a great job in cali I would move from this messed up state.





I called AAA before the purchase and they assured me I could handle everything with them. I went to a AAA office today (i'm a long time member) and was told that they are not able to register vehicles associated with a dealer purchase. I then drove to DMV and was told to remove the vehicle from the state. DMV told me to contact the dealer as they were not able to legally sell me the vehicle. Do controlling agencies have factual info these days or just BS to apease the person they are confronted with (AAA!). These DMV people were so confused and talked to everyone else in the building before destroying my day. ,... ... ... ... ... ..... Breathe. Thank for any info all.



And i was not impressed w/ the amount of confusion @ DMV that led to to my dismisal. I appears they have the reigns but are riding the horse backwards blindfolded (but they peek).

 

[scootergmc]

Here's a pic of mine. Looks like all you may have to do is swap valve covers w/ someone. Not that I condone that behavior or anything. After all, this is the mother of all DMVs.



Hope this works...

 

[trailexplorer]

It's dark out and i can't get the pic right now, but what you are looking for is a line at the bottom of that sticker... I just read mine ... it says "This engine conforms to California emission requirements for the 2004 model year"... . It's the same sticker that has CALB in the far right hand column. Hope this helps

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Thank You. Mine obviously does not have that portion which is the deal breaker. Its hard to find definitive answers to answers the hard way but I now know I'm screwed or the dealer has to create magic. Already have a 20. 5 hitch and a break controller installed. (Think happy thoughts) ;-)



My sticker has no emission numbers under the carb column and only references the fed emission requirements.



I will follow up with the dealer. They have already agreed to send me another 30 day registration and work some "magic" we'll see. I will keep all updated. Thank again for any ideas.

 

[PJ]

I would drive back to Vegas and find the first "Mail Boxes Etc" and get a PO box. They have a real street address and not a PO number. Then hit the Nevada DMV and do your paperwork. The hell with the BOZOS at the Calif DMV! After you rack on 7500 miles, they will have to register your truck. That IS the way around Arnolds law. 7500 miles will come really quick. Better yet, just leave the Nevada plates on until they expire!



Good Luck



California:-{} Nevada

 

[HOBrian]

Scootergmc that valve cover idea is very interesting!!!

 

[scootergmc]

It's interesting Las Vegas doesn't get CA trucks. I believe the only difference is the sticker. I know my truck came from Medford, OR, and it has the sticker. Of course, Medford is a little closer to CA than Vegas, I think.

 

[Scooby]

Its always been about the sticker!!

Having been a long time CA resident prior to recently moving, I recall the days when if you registered an out of state gasoline powered vehicle, they would charge you $300 "welcome to California fee" despite the fact that the cars met CA emissions. The only difference was a sticker under the hood designating that the car was purchased in CA. Later this "tax" was found unconstitutional.



Its simply a protectionist measure since vehicle sales taxes generate an incredible amount of revenue. (most states have vehicle sales tax that are lower than regular sales tax... not CA!) If your retail sales tax is 8. 25%, that's what you pay on a car - ouch! Here in NC, sales tax is 7. 25%, but if you buy a car, it's only 3%



Basically you tried to do exactly what the "law" is preventing you from doing. I can understand your frustration at the Vegas dealership, but if it were that simple, everyone would just cross the boarder and buy their vehicles in AZ or NV to save a few grand.



By the way, I did manage to register a 2 year old Jeep from out of state in CA with only 5000 miles on it..... at AAA...

 

[rashwor]

Let's be fair. The law was in place long before Arnold got there.



Thank God I don't live there!

 

[willyslover]

if all else fails... register in NV and dual register it in calif.



that's what they do for people who drive 50/50 % and nothing they can say about it... I did that on a 98. 5 3500 CTD



used my son's name as the second registered owner [lives in Reno] and said we both use the rig.

 

[bighammer]

Sounds like you need a NV name & address.

 

[GerryDrake]

Originally posted by Scooby

Its simply a protectionist measure since vehicle sales taxes generate an incredible amount of revenue. (most states have vehicle sales tax that are lower than regular sales tax... not CA!) If your retail sales tax is 8. 25%, that's what you pay on a car - ouch! Here in NC, sales tax is 7. 25%, but if you buy a car, it's only 3%

When my 95 PS ate its 4th transmission 850 miles after its 3rd transmission, I put in the 5th one and traded it in on my CTD, in Winston-Salem. I would have loved to have paid the 3% and had that be it, but, living in Washington, HOLD ONTO YOUR SEAT I had to pay 9. 1% which includes a 0. 3% they put on vehicle sales, new and used... Then, of course licensing and that on top... As I recall, total was around $3400... THAT bit, big time

 

[nickleinonen]

15% sales tax in ontario, canada, although you can avoid the 7% GST part if you have your own busniess you can charge the vehicle as an expense to [then the 7% is a tax credit] not quite sure how it all works in the end, but that is why my truck is technically my pop's "work vehicle"

 

[rrausch]

NEVER underestimate the Stupidity of the average California DMV worker. These people seem to take delight in frustrating customers in my experience. I have been put through incredible chicken **** by DMV morons. Keep trying, there IS a way to get you truck legal.

 

[RTuvell]

Originally posted by timjones

Join AAA then register through them. You can do it all the same day and only costs 65 dollars and you have AAA for a year.

The CSAA (California AAA) web site says very clearly that they DO NOT have the authority to register out of state vehicles and that you have to go to the DMV for this type of registration. Maybe somehow there are folks who got AAA to do it, but the web site is very clear on this issue.



trailexplorer,



First, let me say I hate that California has so many restrictions that limit our ability to purchase vehicles. I see absolutely no benefits to these laws.



The way I see it, the question is who is at fault in this specific situation. The requirement that new vehicles registered in California must meet the California emissions limits is a well known law that has been around for decades (mind you, I don't agree that we need this law).



If you the purchaser were not aware of this requirement then you are at fault.



If your vehicle does not comply with the California emissions limits then you really can't fault the DMV for refusing to register your vehicle, it's the law.



Did you ever discuss this requirement with the Nevada dealer at the time of ordering/purchase? Do you have anything in writing from the Nevada dealer that clearly states they are selling you a vehicle that complies with the California emission requirements? Do you have any basis for going back to the dealer and hold them accountable?



If you are left holding the bag in this situation, then you will have to resort to some kind of trickery such as out of state registration or changing the valve cover as someone else suggested (great idea if it works).

 

[klenger]

I would be very careful about changing the valve cover to show compliance. There could be a key in the VIN that indicates if it has CA emissions, and if you changed the valve cover to show compliance, they could really go after you with criminal charges.



Did you give the dealer your CA address when you signed the papers? If so, they should have alerted you to the non-CA status at the time of sale. If all else fails, I would register in in NV till you get 7500 miles on it.



What a mess.