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I've been hunting lately with a 460 S&W out of the Performance Shop. With factory 260 gr. Winchester Partition Gold you have 2000 fps at the muzzle and 2309 ft-lbs. It's a loud sucker.

You can get a pocket size version with a 2 3/4" barrel. I think it'd make a adequate deterrent if you do your job. The light factory practice load is 454 Casull .

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That is incredible to say the least. I'm thinking for our black fur brethren it would be more than enough. Have you killed anything with it? I'm looking for something that I can carry all day and if need be dispatch of wolf/black bear.
 
I have a long barreled s&w 500 that is a little too big to pack around all day. My hunting partner has a short barreled 500 that he says is a "thinking mans gun". He says you have to think about what's worse, letting a little blackie gnaw on you OR touching a round off from that 500. It's definitely got some punch but for all purposes I still prefer my old ruger in . 44 mag.
 
Joe, I took a 4x4 muley a couple years ago. 75 yard standing shot and pretty much instant death. Carried it 3 days this year elk hunting and passed on a little 5 and 1/2 bull at 30 yards. He was walking by and while the left side was a perfect 5 pt, the right side of his rack (the 1/2 side) was broken near his head, still pretty much in velvet, deformed and floppy. Not only that, he was awfully poorly looking. I debated culling him from the herd, but didn't want to deal with possibly loosing a tag if the Co. DOW didn't support the kill.

A 460 with muzzle break is LOUD. I hunted for 3 days this year with ear plugs,,,only time I've shot mine with no hearing protection was when I shot the mule deer and my ears rang for 30 minutes like a bell. Never again. I'll have a set of Wilson electronic muffs next time. Recoil is't bad at all with the scope and muzzle break and you can shoot it one handed since it weighs over 5 lbs. , the short barrel Alaskan would likely be a two handed gun, not sure since all I done is handled one in the store. The 460 is an honest 200 yard short gun (whitetail) but it's not as much fun as the 44 Redhawk or Thompson Contender 35 Rem I generally whitetail hunt with.

All the above said, if I wanted the best bear pistol for close combat, the Alaskan is what I'd carry,,,,,,however you're talking to a guy from the south with NO real bear experience other than reading and hunting shows and the occasional sighting while hunting.
 
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As far as auto pistols go there are two rounds that are "bear defense" worth, the 10mm and the . 357 Sig(not sold on this one, but it's due to velocity and penetration).



While the 10mm doesn't have the energy of a . 44 you can have 10-15 rounds of it, which is NICE.



I chose 10mm for this reason, and I carry 220gr Hard Cast Buffalo Bore rounds which travel at 1,200 fps and are full design spec loads.



You have to look for full power 10mm loads thou, most common 10mm loads are barely any more powerful than 40 S&W and it defeats the purpose.



There will always be people that think it's too small, but it's plenty for bears in the lower 48. Alaska is a little bit different, and a 12 Ga is the preferred defense gun in that country (00,00,slug,slug,00).





460 S&W is a gun I would like to own, if memory serves you can also fire 45 LC for an even lighter practice round.
 
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There will always be people that think it's too small, but it's plenty for bears in the lower 48. Alaska is a little bit different, and a 12 Ga is the preferred defense gun in that country (00,00,slug,slug,00).

When the SHTF you can load all the fancy 00,00, slug, slug, 00 you want

Garrett 540gr Ball Busters in a Marlin Guide Gun, one gun one round SOLVES THE PROBLEM.

ALASKA or LOWER 48 it makes no difference!!
 
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My buddy and his son that lives in Laramie Wyoming keep Glock 10mm on their saddles at all times for bear medicine.
 
Don't want to start a war in the holiday season

Ive been following this post without saying to very much

But you folks are telling me that you feel adequately armed with a 220gr bullet with 703ft pounds of torque against a Grizz???
 
A cut a paste from a man that has done more hunting for dangerous game that most of us have seen, I for one would take his opinion to hart.
I personally like the Final Thoughts Part!!! In my experience I have YET!! to see anyone from any Forest Service, Fish and Game Dept. carry a Glock as a side arm in the forest maybe in the campgrounds against a Yogi or People but look in the Saddle scabbard and you'll see Marlin and on their side Super Redhawk!! kind of tells me something


DEFENSIVE SHOOTING OF BEARS WITH THE REVOLVER

Single-action vs Double-action

I like both single-action and double-action revolvers for hunting, however when carried for self-defense from bear attack, there is a pretty strong consensus that the double-action revolver is the better choice. Since bear attacks invariably occur with incredible speed, there is a very considerable possibility that the attacking bear will reach the shooter before he has had an opportunity to effectively deploy his sidearm. If that does occur, it is generally believed that a double-action revolver offers the shooter a better chance of prevailing since it can be fired by simply pulling the trigger. The necessity of thumbing the hammer on a single-action revolver presents a substantial mechanical obstacle when the shooter is placed in such demanding circumstances, as the throttling provided by a bear attack is vigorous in the extreme.

Caliber selection

Since the only completely reliable shot placement against an attacking bear is one that destroys essential parts of the central nervous system, it could be argued that any caliber/load combination capable of shooting through the skull of a big bruin is a reasonable choice. However, the larger the caliber the greater the potential for disabling an attacking bear with a less than perfect shot. Therefore, the best choice is likely to be the biggest caliber the shooter can handle in a desperate struggle where all shooting will be done one-handed. In my opinion, this would include calibers as small as the 41 Magnum, assuming proper bullet selection.

Bullet selection

Where defense against bear attack is concerned, the best bullets for the large caliber handgun are clearly proper hard-cast bullets. Expanding bullets are far too likely to fracture when impacted into the tough bone of a bear’s skull. This should be rather obvious as any bullet designed to expand against the light resistance of a deer’s rib cage cannot be depended upon for major bone busting on a big bear. When selecting a hard-cast bullet for such applications, one should be careful to choose an extremely heavy bullet with a broad frontal flat (meplat). It is also important that the casting possess substantial inherent strength, with a hardness rating of at least 19-Brinnell. The importance of selecting a heavy bullet is twofold. First, heavier bullets penetrate deeper than lighter bullets. Second, since heavier bullets cannot be driven as fast as lighter bullets, they experience less impact stress and are therefore less likely to fracture upon impact. This is very important, as the amount of stress experienced by a bullet upon impact is the result of the speed of impact and the toughness of the target. When the target is close and extremely tough, reliable performance is always best achieved by increasing bullet weight and decreasing velocity. The importance of selecting a bullet with a broad meplat is also critical, as broad meplated bullets tend to penetrate deeper than small meplated bullets. It has become obvious to me through the years that although logic would seem to suggest that heavy bullets with small meplats should penetrate deeper than blunter bullets of the same weight and velocity, they usually don’t. This is quite interesting, as it would seem that the bullet with the smaller meplat would offer less resistance to penetration and therefore should penetrate better than the blunter bullet. However, nearly three decades of penetration testing with the 44 Magnum has established beyond any doubt that the blunter designs penetrate the best. The truncated cone is an excellent example of this. Although possessing meplats in the .210-inch to .230-inch range, truncated cones do not penetrate as deeply as semi-wadcutters of the same weight and impact velocity, and yet the semi-wadcutters I have tested possess meplat diameters of about .285-inch. Later testing revealed that penetration would continue to increase as the meplats increased in diameter up to about .320-inch. However, my penetration testing demonstrated that meplat diameters significantly greater than .320-inch, in 44 caliber, did not increase penetration depth, but instead led to decreased penetration depth. It is always easier to observe than explain, however it is my opinion that the reason for this pertains to the disparity in weight distribution of small meplated bullets. Simply stated, when the back half of the bullet carries significantly more weight than the front half, the back half tends to over-take the front half upon impact. In other words, the bullet tends to go sideways since the back half carries more weight and has more inertia. As the weight disparity between the two ends of the bullet is reduced, as in blunter designs, there is clearly less of a tendency for the back half to over-take the front half, and the bullet takes a straighter and deeper path. However, once this weight disparity has been corrected, any further increases in meplat diameter tend to decrease penetration depth as terminal stability can no longer be improved.

Final thoughts

It should be clearly understood that although a properly loaded large caliber handgun can be successfully deployed against an attacking bear, it certainly is not the gun of choice. It is best regarded as the gun of last resort. In my opinion, the short barreled lever-action carbine firing heavy bullets at modest speed reins supreme for the specific task of stopping a determined bruin. Also, as with the handgun, the lever-action carbine should be chambered in the largest caliber the shooter can handle. For most shooters this is probably the 45-70 with blunt hard-cast bullets of extreme weight.

- Randy Garrett
 
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Absolutely, in the lower 48. Even big bear in the lower 48 is a little one.


I agree a long gun will always be better, but rarely practical to carry.
 
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