We need to keep in mind the purpose of the trucks being discussed. Joe has the most powerful single charger #2 only daily driver. Dave Mitchell "probably" has the most powerful pull truck. However, last year at the little pull in Carlisle, KY, the Scheid truck almost took Dave until the charger went. For those of you that were there, that was a single charger diesel only run. No twins for Scheid. I am not rooting for or defending the Mithchell's here now but things are getting a little hairy over a simple question. Joe, Dave doesn't dyno just like you don't like to pull. To each his own. You prove your power on the dyno and Dave proves his when he usually outpulls everyone else. I will have to give Dave credit though, he doesn't brag about his power. I personally like the quite sportsman. He usually has the most. I highly respect all of you horsepower kings. I'd love to have a daily driver like yours. I just about had Pius building a HX55 very similar to yours but I'll stick with the H2E for now.
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Originally posted by Joseph Donnelly
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So who is top dog in horsepower? If sled pulling were an accurate measure, then Mohney would have more power than the Mitchells, even with his little 180 hp injection pump.
*NEVER COUNT MY 180 PUMP OUT!(and I accept, Joe, thanks!)*
experience, better tires, better suspension? If the Mitchells, why did she get beaten so "badly?"
* KEEP IN MIND SHE IS THE TOW TRUCK (and I had the best tires)*
Hmmm, Fuller had about 600 hp on #2 only;
*SO THOSE DYNOS SAY. I DIDN'T SEE IT, OR HEAR IT*
when did you EVER see a PowerStroke with that much?
* GO EAST YOUNG MAN, GO EAST. *
I can only conclude that winning at sled pulling is only vaguely and partially related to horsepower. Also, see how different drivers win different weekends. Not enough consistency to reflect horsepower.
* I HAVE TO AGREE*
These data suggest that luck and other intangibles play a big role in sled pulling. Horsepower is quite secondary.
* NOW YER PUSHING IT. *
The only verified dyno runs we know about on the Mitchell's race truck(not street by any stretch of the imagination) were on TST's dyno at 403 hp.
* YOU ARE STILL WRONG*
Even if they make more now, they aren't talking here and aren't getting dyno numbers at the same time and place as other known high hp Rams in TDR functions.
*THEY TALK ON, THE TRACK. *
Everyone had the chance to beat my 633. 8 (two runs, back to back, same number) on #2 only, all through the injection pump, only one turbo, at MM02. For free, no dyno charge. No one did on #2 only. A few trucks beat that number on drugs. These are just facts, what happened.
*JOE IS MAY MADNESS 2002 #2 ONLY DYNO CHAMPION, NO ARGUEMENT THERE. *
Todd was here
This thread is about a specific question, dyno verified horsepower.
*NO, IT WASN"T. *(Original ? Who has the highest horsepower 12v CTD?)
Those who are belligerent, but don't have the verified numbers, are just guessing from the smoke. I'm not someone who enjoys dragging large chunks of iron around in the dirt for fun, and breaking parts most weekends. I don't care about being competitive there. I use my truck for daily driving, towing, hunting, and 4 wheeling. If anyone wants to be competitive in the horsepower/dyno competition, then compete on the dyno with the rest of us.
*REST OF WHO?*
Everyone who wanted them got free dyno runs at MM02 and could line up on the same yardstick. Those who didn't, well they can try next year. Meanwhile, they can't claim an accurate place on that same yardstick from results on a different dyno, different elevation, different weather conditions, etc. Anyone can post numbers, but only those who came to MM02 have a valid comparison to all the others who were there. Some dyno participants came from as far away as Canada, Maryland, etc.
*A WIN IN ANY EVENT IS ONLY GOOD UNTIL THE NEXT ONE. *
I see we are back to if it did not happen in Vegas, it does not count. If the guy is not a TDR member, it does not count.
There is a big world of Cummins power out there, beyond TDR.
Some of you guys act like Dave is cheating because of twins, or he could not make power with a single. Right.
Joe, I would LOVE to see you break 600hp on a neutral dyno.
Dave and Scheids both make power, and lots of it. Their days of streeting 600 hp pull trucks are long gone. They are way beyond that. Their tow trucks are around the 500-600 range, and they can USE every bit of it. Twins are awesome to tow trailers with. How about 50# of boost at 1000 degrees? Loaded, uphill?
Joe is welcome to be King of paper numbers. . (drugs don't count)
But I will stick by the men and women that put the power to the ground, and USE IT!!!!
All hail the MID WEST!!
I'll see you at Scheids!!!
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not intended to be a flame, I like Joe, and think he has done great things.......
Joe,
How can you call that HX55 a daily driver? The lag has got to be all but unbearable for you not to change it. What happen when you and Piers "played" on the highway?
Anybody ever notice the dyno kings put these huge numbers out, but only with a single turbo? Ever notice how Joe won't dyno on anything other then DD's dyno? Now I have NO doubts about how accurate the dyno at DD is, but rather how nobody but the DD trucks win. Is there any way that you could ever so slightly hold the brake, and "play" or "feather" the throttle to build boost, and once your there, push the start button, and then let go of the brake, and then slam the throttle? What would this do to the dyno chat? Would it not make a HUGE slant "up hill" giving those great numbers? Did Dave Mitchell know to do this?
On the way home from "Diesels in December", Jim Fuller stoped and made a 700+hp run. You all said it didn't count, so he went to MM02 and proved it. Showing that there ARE other dynos that are "close" to the DD one.
JohnBoy made an offer, but it will not be met.
There is one last thing. Unless he breaks, Dave does win just about everytime from what I understand.
Where does it say on a dyno that you have to be a member of the TDR to make HUGE numbers? There is power beyond the TDR.
Dynoing is cool, but is a tool!
Andrew- please remember, this is NOT a flame
Joe,
How can you call that HX55 a daily driver? The lag has got to be all but unbearable for you not to change it. What happen when you and Piers "played" on the highway?
Anybody ever notice the dyno kings put these huge numbers out, but only with a single turbo? Ever notice how Joe won't dyno on anything other then DD's dyno? Now I have NO doubts about how accurate the dyno at DD is, but rather how nobody but the DD trucks win. Is there any way that you could ever so slightly hold the brake, and "play" or "feather" the throttle to build boost, and once your there, push the start button, and then let go of the brake, and then slam the throttle? What would this do to the dyno chat? Would it not make a HUGE slant "up hill" giving those great numbers? Did Dave Mitchell know to do this?
On the way home from "Diesels in December", Jim Fuller stoped and made a 700+hp run. You all said it didn't count, so he went to MM02 and proved it. Showing that there ARE other dynos that are "close" to the DD one.
JohnBoy made an offer, but it will not be met.
There is one last thing. Unless he breaks, Dave does win just about everytime from what I understand.
Where does it say on a dyno that you have to be a member of the TDR to make HUGE numbers? There is power beyond the TDR.
Dynoing is cool, but is a tool!
Andrew- please remember, this is NOT a flame
Getting close to "Chill Pill" time. The MM dyno runs were a open mob affair with the door open on the truck being dynoed. No way for extra curricular number enhancements, and Lawrence just pumped the trucks through. The graphs almost always overlapped during the two or three runs per truck. Very consistant. TxDK- I've ridden in Joe's truck and followed him. It is a daily driver. Doesn't smoke badly in traffic- about like the old Fords before the P-Stroke. Didn't even seem to have any lag- go figure- just smoothness. Because I agree with you that the dyno is a tool, doesn't that explain why the DD trucks pull such high HP numbers? What would you do if you had one sitting in your garage? BIG NUMBERS!!! S-Puller, was that 305 HP a good number? If so, it was seems pretty mild, but re-enforces the concept that pulling is not a good measure of power, since you've been so successful. I hope I don't need them, but SHIELDS UP!
Joseph Donnelly
TDR MEMBER
**Anybody ever notice the dyno kings put these huge numbers out, but only with a single turbo?**
Notice what? Jim Fuller put out 731 at MM02 with his twins. You are distorting facts when youj say we didn't believe his runs elsewhere. We just feel it is only truly comparable when everyone dynos at the same place and time.
** Ever notice how Joe won't dyno on anything other then DD's dyno?**
I dyno'ed on Silver State's dyno was the March 2001 Dyno Day. 609. 3 and 609. 5 hp. Lawrence and I can explain where the other 24 hp came from, between last year and this year, but you don't have a "need to know. " Why do you remain a doubting Tx 
Alleviate your suspicions by participation.
** Now I have NO doubts about how accurate the dyno at DD is, but rather how nobody but the DD trucks win. **
That is completely unfair. In addition to Jim's 731 on nitrous, Christian of BD Power made 733 on drugs at MM02. The white DD truck (automatic, VP44 pump) made 740. Those are close numbers. Where you come off implying DD is fudging results? Lawrence didn't even run his blue bomber which made 787 earlier in the week. He is a serious competitor. Ask those he used to race against. Ask them and the NASCAR Winston Cup folks if he is honest. Sure he does his best to win, but cheating is not winning.
**Is there any way that you could ever so slightly hold the brake, and "play" or "feather" the throttle to build boost, and once your there, push the start button, and then let go of the brake, and then slam the throttle? What would this do to the dyno chat?**
We have done that kind of thing with my truck. Once we had the engine at 2000 and dragged it down to 1500 with the dyno roller brake using as much accelerator pedal as needed. The spool up part of the curve gets better (remember, you guys think my HX55 is a lag pig becausee you never rode in a truck that had earnest fueling ) However, peak hp was exactly the same. We rarely use the loading, just once in a while to see that things haven't changed.
** Would it not make a HUGE slant "up hill" giving those great numbers? Did Dave Mitchell know to do this? **
The TST dyno does load the engine, and the runs are longer, so that should improve numbers, if traction is good.
**On the way home from "Diesels in December", Jim Fuller stoped and made a 700+hp run. You all said it didn't count, so he went to MM02 and proved it. Showing that there ARE other dynos that are "close" to the DD one. **
Answered above. Other dyno's are good, but nothing is better than having everyone dyno at the same place and time, on a dyno that gives traction, decent spoolup, and handles high horsepower and torque. Please don't "make negative suggestions about" others' reputations or integrity when you don't even bother to attend the meet, collect data, make real observations, and give others the chance to answer your questions. I didn't hear ANY complaints or skepticism at MM02 about the FREE dyno time and its validity.
Notice what? Jim Fuller put out 731 at MM02 with his twins. You are distorting facts when youj say we didn't believe his runs elsewhere. We just feel it is only truly comparable when everyone dynos at the same place and time.
** Ever notice how Joe won't dyno on anything other then DD's dyno?**
I dyno'ed on Silver State's dyno was the March 2001 Dyno Day. 609. 3 and 609. 5 hp. Lawrence and I can explain where the other 24 hp came from, between last year and this year, but you don't have a "need to know. "
Why do you remain a doubting Tx Alleviate your suspicions by participation. ** Now I have NO doubts about how accurate the dyno at DD is, but rather how nobody but the DD trucks win. **
That is completely unfair. In addition to Jim's 731 on nitrous, Christian of BD Power made 733 on drugs at MM02. The white DD truck (automatic, VP44 pump) made 740. Those are close numbers. Where you come off implying DD is fudging results? Lawrence didn't even run his blue bomber which made 787 earlier in the week. He is a serious competitor. Ask those he used to race against. Ask them and the NASCAR Winston Cup folks if he is honest. Sure he does his best to win, but cheating is not winning.
**Is there any way that you could ever so slightly hold the brake, and "play" or "feather" the throttle to build boost, and once your there, push the start button, and then let go of the brake, and then slam the throttle? What would this do to the dyno chat?**
We have done that kind of thing with my truck. Once we had the engine at 2000 and dragged it down to 1500 with the dyno roller brake using as much accelerator pedal as needed. The spool up part of the curve gets better (remember, you guys think my HX55 is a lag pig becausee you never rode in a truck that had earnest fueling
) However, peak hp was exactly the same. We rarely use the loading, just once in a while to see that things haven't changed. ** Would it not make a HUGE slant "up hill" giving those great numbers? Did Dave Mitchell know to do this? **
The TST dyno does load the engine, and the runs are longer, so that should improve numbers, if traction is good.
**On the way home from "Diesels in December", Jim Fuller stoped and made a 700+hp run. You all said it didn't count, so he went to MM02 and proved it. Showing that there ARE other dynos that are "close" to the DD one. **
Answered above. Other dyno's are good, but nothing is better than having everyone dyno at the same place and time, on a dyno that gives traction, decent spoolup, and handles high horsepower and torque. Please don't "make negative suggestions about" others' reputations or integrity when you don't even bother to attend the meet, collect data, make real observations, and give others the chance to answer your questions. I didn't hear ANY complaints or skepticism at MM02 about the FREE dyno time and its validity.
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drawson
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I have also rode in the Donnelly monster and it's the real thing!!!
I also agree that the whole part of Dynoing is to show that one day who's the top Dog. At our Utah Dyno days this year both Steve(HebeRam) and I knew our tires would slip on the Edges Dyno, but it was the same for everyone. Steve had made 676 at MM with his NOS and on the Edges Dyno on that day it made 586.
To really settle this East West thing we would have to have a get together where every one would have to pull the moter (with there set up) put them in a truck and do a sled pull, then a drag race , & then Dyno. After that we could crown a reall champion.
I for one don't buy this we make too much HP for the Dyno to stand. You should have seen what the NOS run did to Steve's(HebeRams) MTR goodyears. The Mustang at the Edge wasn't able to take his HP but Steve still ran it and took alot of life out of his tires.
Sled Puller(Gene) common let's get that Red Monster on a Dyno and see what She makes... .
I also agree that the whole part of Dynoing is to show that one day who's the top Dog. At our Utah Dyno days this year both Steve(HebeRam) and I knew our tires would slip on the Edges Dyno, but it was the same for everyone. Steve had made 676 at MM with his NOS and on the Edges Dyno on that day it made 586.
To really settle this East West thing we would have to have a get together where every one would have to pull the moter (with there set up) put them in a truck and do a sled pull, then a drag race , & then Dyno. After that we could crown a reall champion.
I for one don't buy this we make too much HP for the Dyno to stand. You should have seen what the NOS run did to Steve's(HebeRams) MTR goodyears. The Mustang at the Edge wasn't able to take his HP but Steve still ran it and took alot of life out of his tires.
Sled Puller(Gene) common let's get that Red Monster on a Dyno and see what She makes... .
She has been on a dyno and I know what it makes.
Not over 600hp, I didn't build it to go win dyno events, (dyno is an event?) I didn't want that much power, and still don't.
Joe,
Thanks for taking the time to reply.
But put yourself in our shoes. It just looks "funny". I trust 90% of the things you say though. 
I think the only way to truly find the most powerfull is to take the engine out, and strap it to an engine dyno. Just my idea, but who am I?
Andrew
Thanks for taking the time to reply.
But put yourself in our shoes. It just looks "funny". I trust 90% of the things you say though. I think the only way to truly find the most powerfull is to take the engine out, and strap it to an engine dyno. Just my idea, but who am I?
Andrew
Confused
Joe,
This statement is kind of odd.
On one hand, you say he only has 403hp. Then you say he is not a street truck. Then you say your 600 is VERY streetable.
How can Daves 400 be such a beast and not street worthy, yet your 600 is a kitty cat?
You have me seriously doubting my own Dynojet numbers. I use to give them +/- 50hp, but now I'm wondering if I ever broke 300.
Let's try this, could it be that Dave has the 600, and it is not streetable, and it is you that has the 403, since it is streetable. Is this good logic?
Joe,
This statement is kind of odd.
On one hand, you say he only has 403hp. Then you say he is not a street truck. Then you say your 600 is VERY streetable.
How can Daves 400 be such a beast and not street worthy, yet your 600 is a kitty cat?
You have me seriously doubting my own Dynojet numbers. I use to give them +/- 50hp, but now I'm wondering if I ever broke 300.
Let's try this, could it be that Dave has the 600, and it is not streetable, and it is you that has the 403, since it is streetable. Is this good logic?
S-Puller... Huh?
Smoker- right-on! Sure could use a little info on your H2E...
Greg
Smoker- right-on!
Sure could use a little info on your H2E... Greg
In the next couple of years, what kind of hp numbers can we expect with technological improvements, and reasearch and developement? With drugs and without? Some of high numbers now with drugs are almost 800hp thats very impressive? Will the 12v ever break the 1000hp mark?:--) That would be insane!!!!!!!
Originally posted by Doubleclutch
S-Puller... Huh?
Greg
Greag, look at what Sled quotes, and then what Sled asks him. He has a point that I missed.
Andrew
Hammer
TDR MEMBER
After numerous tries last nite to stay out of this and erasing what I typed because I know I'll end up getting another slap on the hand,I've had enough and here goes.....
Joe D states this-"Everyone who wanted them got free dyno runs at MM02 and could line up on the same yardstick. Those who didn't, well they can try next year. Meanwhile, they can't claim an accurate place on that same yardstick from results on a different dyno, different elevation, different weather conditions, etc. Anyone can post numbers, but only those who came to MM02 have a valid comparison to all the others who were there.
I must have missed something here,but,just because its done elsewhere does not mean it does not count,only in your mind Joe,,I along with many others Joe have tired of your attitude about dyno numbers,,There are alot more dynos in this country than your two out there or the MM dyno and how can you even think to discredit the numbers the masses here put up??,,You have this complex and look down at others just because you have not seen them roll a jet or they do not post bragging thier accomplishments so you can shoot them down,WHY,just because they were not done at MM,,Joe there is life outside the TDR and many trucks in that life that could slip out of the cracks and cause you alot of heartburn,,I only could hope it happens soon and someone video's it for all to see... ...
What amazes me is how you and DD can constantly discredit others accomplishments for the simple fact it was not done in front of you,,What your doing peeking around corners trying to find out others combos is sounding like fear to me,,Fear is something a competitor smells and your being nervous is looking like that,,Stick to the original post,it said nothing about verified power or where it was done,it did say how much does everyone have.....
Joe I'll do Johnboy one better,I have called my dyno people and got it arranged,,Its a open date,you let me know when you want to come east to play and I'll gather the masses to roll with you,,We will all pay for our spins and yours will be taken care of,,This way we can have a offical Joe D certified Dyno Jet that numbers will count on,,Balls in your court let me know and I'll gather the masses,,Our local jet is in a place nice and quiet and plenty of room to handle the large group i know that would show,its up to you,,If you choose not to come out,its time that you stop the discrediting of the other dyno numbers out there because it did not happen in front of you,you have been offered the same chance you gave us with MM... ... . Andy
P. S. -By the way,we are all still waiting for you to admit and post your actually being a vendor,,I mean you do sell parts correct(ported heads,clutches,etc etc)... ... .
Joe D states this-"Everyone who wanted them got free dyno runs at MM02 and could line up on the same yardstick. Those who didn't, well they can try next year. Meanwhile, they can't claim an accurate place on that same yardstick from results on a different dyno, different elevation, different weather conditions, etc. Anyone can post numbers, but only those who came to MM02 have a valid comparison to all the others who were there.
I must have missed something here,but,just because its done elsewhere does not mean it does not count,only in your mind Joe,,I along with many others Joe have tired of your attitude about dyno numbers,,There are alot more dynos in this country than your two out there or the MM dyno and how can you even think to discredit the numbers the masses here put up??,,You have this complex and look down at others just because you have not seen them roll a jet or they do not post bragging thier accomplishments so you can shoot them down,WHY,just because they were not done at MM,,Joe there is life outside the TDR and many trucks in that life that could slip out of the cracks and cause you alot of heartburn,,I only could hope it happens soon and someone video's it for all to see... ...
What amazes me is how you and DD can constantly discredit others accomplishments for the simple fact it was not done in front of you,,What your doing peeking around corners trying to find out others combos is sounding like fear to me,,Fear is something a competitor smells and your being nervous is looking like that,,Stick to the original post,it said nothing about verified power or where it was done,it did say how much does everyone have.....
Joe I'll do Johnboy one better,I have called my dyno people and got it arranged,,Its a open date,you let me know when you want to come east to play and I'll gather the masses to roll with you,,We will all pay for our spins and yours will be taken care of,,This way we can have a offical Joe D certified Dyno Jet that numbers will count on,,Balls in your court let me know and I'll gather the masses,,Our local jet is in a place nice and quiet and plenty of room to handle the large group i know that would show,its up to you,,If you choose not to come out,its time that you stop the discrediting of the other dyno numbers out there because it did not happen in front of you,you have been offered the same chance you gave us with MM... ... . Andy
P. S. -By the way,we are all still waiting for you to admit and post your actually being a vendor,,I mean you do sell parts correct(ported heads,clutches,etc etc)... ... .
I dont mean to discredit anyone with this. I am sure Mitchells trucks make serious power, Gene is a great sled pull driver, etc. etc. etc. Reality is as far as I am concerned, to compare apples to apples you have to use the same yardstick.
How about if I just posted that my truck ran 12's in the 1/4. You dont think people here would want to see my timeslip. What no timeslip, I did it with a stopwatch, based on some lines kids made with crayons in the middle of the street..... OH but it should still count, we dont all have to use the same yardstick..... you think this place would accept my results. NOT.
How about if I attached the little red sled out in the garage used for winter snow fun to my truck pulled it down the road, and them posted that I can out pull Gene, w/o giving any details, proof, or what ever it is they give you at the end of a pull, you dont think Gene would be all over me, wanting to know details.
We all could go on and on with the stupid analogies, my opinion is apples to apples need to be measured by the same yardstick. if you want to claim you have the most power then it should be based on dyno reports. Not pulling events, 1/4 mile times or some other feat.
Yep, slybones scored a three pointer.
Hammer
TDR MEMBER
As I can see Slybones you did not read my post and absorb what I was trying to say,,I did say that we need to use the same yardstick(be it dyno sheets,sled pulls,timeslips,etc,etc)BUT,in the "dyno sport" as referred to by Mr. Donnelly there is only one ACCEPTED dyno run or number in the country,,That would be his MM dyno spins all other dyno runs mean zippo,squat,goose egg or just a plain waste of our time and money,,I myself have just tired of his constant discrediting of numbers laid down on sheet anywhere else in the country,hence the offer to him,,No one can discredit his numbers and most are in awe of them and make him one to shoot for to knock off his hilltop,but,if all he can do is say "MM numbers are the only ones which count,all the rest are just numbers and anyone can post them" then why are we all wasting our time rollin dynos,,I'd only like to see him or the rest of that group give credit where credit is due and not attack a guy who has spun a roller and has the sheets or disc to back up his piehole... .
Well I'll leave with this and I'm done here,Joe,the offer still stands all you got to do is let me know when and I'll round the troops out east ,,This way we get a "Donnelly certified" dyno and the high hp trucks that show numbers will not be discredited..... Andy
Well I'll leave with this and I'm done here,Joe,the offer still stands all you got to do is let me know when and I'll round the troops out east ,,This way we get a "Donnelly certified" dyno and the high hp trucks that show numbers will not be discredited..... Andy
I believe I read the post just fine. Maybe my sarcastic analogies were to stupid, sorry.
Lets try this one. SledPuller pulled 304. 9 at Muncie. However he does not pull 304. 9 feet every time out. There are a lot of factors, like track conditions, tires, driver, etc. etc. Now lets say this last weekend I went and pulled 310. 9 feet at a local track. Does this give me bragging rights to claim that I dethrowned SledPuller. NO it does not. Because there is nothing so prove or disprove that he would not have pulled 320 under those same conditions. I have no bragging rights because my pull on a different track, under different conditions and all that, is better than some other pull under completely different conditions. The only way I get bragging rights here is complete on the same track at the same time, and then the bragging rights are only good till the next event when its done all over again.
I believe that if someone wants to claim they have more power that Joe D. then they need to beat Joe at the same event as Joe. IMO there is nothing wrong with that part of Joe's statements.
The problem that I see is many people here hold them up as the top dogs. And the top dogs only play in their backyard. So all the other dogs have to go there to play. So yes, we can as mentioned above try and get the top dogs to come out of their own yard to play. Or we can simply be like SledPuller and hold someone else up as the top dog. We as a group dont have to play that way if we dont want to.
I read a thread here somewhere recently that made a reference to what happen when Joe and Piers raced out on the freeway. I looked to me that the big number game appear to have not mattered. For me I drive my truck on the street. I dont dyno, I dont sled pull, I dont race at the track. I drive back and forth to work, and I tow my trailer, I try to make it look nice. If the opportunity to smoke a powerstroke comes along, I go for it. Of course I have not ridden in every truck out there, but IMO Piers truck is wildly fast. So when you can clain you smoked Piers out on the open road, I will add you to my list of hero's. As if anyone gives a rats a$$ this is my yardstick.
( Sorry for putting you on the spot Piers. You know you would have raced them anyways )
Lets try this one. SledPuller pulled 304. 9 at Muncie. However he does not pull 304. 9 feet every time out. There are a lot of factors, like track conditions, tires, driver, etc. etc. Now lets say this last weekend I went and pulled 310. 9 feet at a local track. Does this give me bragging rights to claim that I dethrowned SledPuller. NO it does not. Because there is nothing so prove or disprove that he would not have pulled 320 under those same conditions. I have no bragging rights because my pull on a different track, under different conditions and all that, is better than some other pull under completely different conditions. The only way I get bragging rights here is complete on the same track at the same time, and then the bragging rights are only good till the next event when its done all over again.
I believe that if someone wants to claim they have more power that Joe D. then they need to beat Joe at the same event as Joe. IMO there is nothing wrong with that part of Joe's statements.
The problem that I see is many people here hold them up as the top dogs. And the top dogs only play in their backyard. So all the other dogs have to go there to play. So yes, we can as mentioned above try and get the top dogs to come out of their own yard to play. Or we can simply be like SledPuller and hold someone else up as the top dog. We as a group dont have to play that way if we dont want to.
I read a thread here somewhere recently that made a reference to what happen when Joe and Piers raced out on the freeway. I looked to me that the big number game appear to have not mattered. For me I drive my truck on the street. I dont dyno, I dont sled pull, I dont race at the track. I drive back and forth to work, and I tow my trailer, I try to make it look nice. If the opportunity to smoke a powerstroke comes along, I go for it. Of course I have not ridden in every truck out there, but IMO Piers truck is wildly fast. So when you can clain you smoked Piers out on the open road, I will add you to my list of hero's. As if anyone gives a rats a$$ this is my yardstick.
( Sorry for putting you on the spot Piers. You know you would have raced them anyways
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