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[Nyoest]

SRay I like mine and wouldn't hesitate to do I again. I just wish I had gone a little bigger. I was being conservative with my DD so I went with the PDR quick spool. You can NEVER have too much HP!

Hey, I saw your truck at Columbus in June! Love the case decals.

 

[SRay]

Nyoest: what would the differences be in a bigger cam over the one you installed? I'm looking at a stage 2 from Hamilton or colt. Stage 3 I think is the 181/210 big stick.



My goat is hard to miss. Did we meet, where are you from?



Shawn

 

[HHhuntitall]

I can't tell a difference in the Big Stick and the Stage 1 at an idle, albiet, one's a P pump, and the other a VE. Both are just as smooth as ever, but the top of the boost range is where you really notice the Big Stick, up over 1500 rpm. If I get over 25-30lbs boost below 2000, the NV5600 starts whining about working, and at any point, if I get over 40psi, it screams for mercy!!! I'm supposed to get some new oil from Blumenthal's that they claim is a much better oil than the Chrysler or Pennzoil, and is supposed to help with the noise, some... ...



The '93 is really better on bottom and mid range. I don't stay in the upper end much on either one, but the bottom end on the '93 is insane. It makes torque like a HPCR on take off, and it builds boost quicker. I've got a newer S300 to put on it, but for now I'm overspeeding my H1. It takes it pretty well, seems to me. I can't really tell on numbers, yet, with no guages, and no big trailers. Lately, it seems if it's big enough to go on a big trailer, I just use the KW... no problem with braking. I don't think you'd be dissapointed in either the Stage 2 or 3. The 3 moves the valve opening so you get a more complete burn, it looks to me, so I'd think it's much more effecient. Without running one in a truck without a trailer, I can't say as it helps the mileage much. I know it really helped the '03.....

 

[RSchwarzli]

as I'd like to swap in a Hamilton or colt high torque cam.

IS that a volunteer for doing my cam? You did not specify your truck so I would say yes... . :-laf

Nyoest: what would the differences be in a bigger cam over the one you installed? I'm looking at a stage 2 from Hamilton or colt. Stage 3 I think is the 181/210 big stick.





Shawn

Shawn



Dont go stage 2. For where you want to go, min of stage 3. Thats what the crew cab got. Go das biggin shtickin for kangaroo choppin or go home. :-laf

 

[Nyoest]

Nyoest: what would the differences be in a bigger cam over the one you installed? I'm looking at a stage 2 from Hamilton or colt. Stage 3 I think is the 181/210 big stick.



My goat is hard to miss. Did we meet, where are you from?



Shawn

I'm not qualified to make a performance cam reccomendation. I went with PDR bc of my eight years of membership NONE have had a problem. Every truck, driver and situation is different, best is call the guys that make them and talk to them. They WANT you to have the cam you need and be happy with it.



Funny you should ask about Columbus, It seemed I was always behind this Canuck in a big sun hat every time I wanted to see something.



I'm from Tipton, Missouri. Smack dab in the middle o Missouri



Sadly I didn't meet hardly anyone in Columbus/Indy. I took the wife and two coworkers that spend the ENTIRE weekend trying to figure out how I knew these people. Next time I'm gonna tick a bunch of people off online right before the next GTG and wear a name tag. I'm sure to meet some then!

Dont go stage 2. For where you want to go, min of stage 3. Thats what the crew cab got. Go das biggin shtickin for kangaroo choppin or go home. :-laf

And we have our nominee for funniest post of the day folks... ...

 

[SRay]

We are the Borg, your "Go das biggin shtickin for kangaroo choppin or go home" will be assimilated. It's distinctivness will be added to our own. Resistance is futile.



Bschwarzli: hard to decide what cam to put in. I would love to have 1,000 hp and extreme torque at low Rpms (2,000-2,500rpms). I'm not fond at all about running the cummins at high Rpms.



Nyoest: how's life in Tipton, Missori?



Be nice if cams were cheaper and easier to remove and install, then test them all.

 

[ENafziger]

Bschwarzli: hard to decide what cam to put in. I would love to have 1,000 hp and extreme torque at low Rpms (2,000-2,500rpms). I'm not fond at all about running the cummins at high Rpms.

Gobs of low-end grunt sounds good initially... however, from following high-horsepower 1st builds, this isn't always great. RonA comes to mind and his 1,200 hp 1st gen street truck. He's running super quick spooling Garrett BB twins, and has gone to great lengths to limit torque in the lower rpm range. Above 2,200 rpm may be semi-ok, but drivetrain parts simply don't hold together well when subjected to torque hammering. Unfortunately, I found this out the hard way on my '06. It's been waiting on a trans rebuild now for 8 months

 

[HHhuntitall]

We are the Borg, your "Go das biggin shtickin for kangaroo choppin or go home" will be assimilated. It's distinctivness will be added to our own. Resistance is futile.



Be nice if cams were cheaper and easier to remove and install, then test them all.

Umm, have you ever met a Cummins? They don't do well with being assimilated. And there are millions of them running around. Dodge does well just to CONTAIN them, let alone fully harness and wear one out. Usually, the truck fails before the Cummins, so I don't think assimilation is an option... ... ... if you want to ASSimilate something, try Navistar..... they need some group thinking and logic. Oh, and need I mention any of the Cummins Big Cam Brotherhood?!?! Yeah, they've got big brothers, bigger brothers, and then even BIGGER brothers. Millions and millions of 'em. Don't think that's gonna work out for ya, but knock yourself out. Just don't expect me to swerve around your unconcious body on the highway. I drive a Dodge, but don't dodge much... ...



Well, if you figure the cost of the cam, and the fact that it can be done in a day, pretty easily, especially when your flushing the radiator and such, I don't think, as a percentage, it's that hard. Or, you can do what I do, and just buy a truck to put a cam in, and then sell it. Nothing is a sales incentive like 2G's of torque pressing you into the seat. :-laf

Gobs of low-end grunt sounds good initially... however, from following high-horsepower 1st builds, this isn't always great. RonA comes to mind and his 1,200 hp 1st gen street truck. He's running super quick spooling Garrett BB twins, and has gone to great lengths to limit torque in the lower rpm range. Above 2,200 rpm may be semi-ok, but drivetrain parts simply don't hold together well when subjected to torque hammering. Unfortunately, I found this out the hard way on my '06. It's been waiting on a trans rebuild now for 8 months

Well, the money you save building a Cummins up versus a blown gasser, and the longetivity of the Cummins, pretty much evens itself out in the drivetrain. Laws of diminished gained fun... . something like that..... I can tell you all about broken shafts, twisted carrier bearing supports, broken tailhousing... ... but that's no fun, so I'd rather talk about how I pulled a 6x6 with no rear driveshaft, or buried my Dodge in a barditch trying to get a cell phone.....

 

[RSchwarzli]

Yeah, dont go too low in the RPM. Thats a sure fire way to make driveline components fail. Better to have more rpm. That hammering you feel at low rpm is bad. Need smooth rpm before you get into that.



And :-laf at HH... . go Assimilate a Navistar!

 

[Nyoest]

SRay life here is great. Fall is in the air, just starting to get frost regular like. That and deer season opens this weekend.



Cam timing, jet sizes, spark plug heat range..... Puh. All reasons I became a diesel tech, much more cut and dried, for me. You can drive yourself nuts diesecting cam numbers alone in a "lowly" diesel.



It's hard to get a objective view as well. A guy drops $500 and spends a day under the hood of course he's going to feel he's got 150 more horse and gets 6 miles a gallon better economy.



It's cumulative though, add a cam with some injectors a nice turbo and you've got a bang up system that is more efficient. Efficientcy was more what I was shooting for more than anything with my install. And it worked, I've got more power with less smoke. All these damn kids want smoke that will black out the sun while driving to work. They get a rude awakening when I blow them out of the water with little to no smoke.

 

[cerberusiam]

Go das biggin shtickin for kangaroo choppin or go home. :-laf

I don't know what concerns me the most, him sayin' it or me understanding it.



SOMEBODY has been hangin' with Gracie too much again, maybe more than one SOMEBODIES. :-laf

 

[HHhuntitall]

If you've ever had to work on a "B" train Down Under, after it's run over even a small pack of wallebyes, you'd understand what they're saying... ... "Das ist der Grund für das Känguru Bar, so habe ich nicht aus dem Hammer lassen!" (Das de resan fer dat woo bar ot frunt..... so's I don'ts has to zet off za hämmern!!) 460 mile trip, done in @ 6 hours..... with triple 53ft dry vans..... on dirt roads... ... heavy weight kangaroo choppin' at high speed... ... My heroes. Who I wanna be when I grow up... .

 

[RSchwarzli]

LOL. You guys are funny! :-laf

 

[SRay]

HHhuntitall: OH YEAH!? Here's my road train, Cummins power and Texas built, tried and true black horns on the front!



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Nyoest: Thats great to hear! We just got a bit of snow. My buddies are out shootin' deer as well and y'all better stay away my green Deere on the trailer with those guns or there will be many road kills when my goat is finished. #@$%!:-laf:-laf:-laf



You're correct on the ease of making power and reliability from cummins engines.



ENafziger: Yeah thats the crappy part, cummins torque breaks everything, powerstroke and duramax implode on themselves. :-laf:-laf



HHhuntitall: We the borg want PERFECTION and will settle for nothing else but PERFECTION! Navistar will be assimilated but will not be added to our own. They will be crippled and the same goes for duramax. We don't take *****.



Since we have assimilated billions of species in the universe, your millions of cummins brothers are rather small.



Resistance IS futile.



:-laf:-laf:-laf:-laf



Bschwarzli: Yes sir! This here post is the funny farm!!

 

[HHhuntitall]

HHhuntitall: OH YEAH!? Here's my road train, Cummins power and Texas built, tried and true black horns on the front!

... still gotta run over more than 14 hogs at a time to have a tougher truck...

HHhuntitall: We the borg want PERFECTION and will settle for nothing else but PERFECTION! Navistar will be assimilated but will not be added to our own. They will be crippled and the same goes for duramax. We don't take *****.



Since we have assimilated billions of species in the universe, your millions of cummins brothers are rather small.



Resistance IS futile.



:-laf:-laf:-laf:-laf

I feel a disturbance in the force..... is that carbon in the exhaust valve!?!? Hmm, smells like Borg... ... Better up the fuel a little and blow it on out the tailpipe.....

Bschwarzli: Yes sir! This here post is the funny farm!!

I get that a lot..... what's the deal? Sheeeeesh, name one stinkin' mental hospital after the family, and everyone thinks you're crazy!!!



Bschwarzli, thanks for the playground!! We'll have to do it again in a few years when this one dies down... ... . I bet I can even find the energy to chew through my restraints and come visit!!:-laf

 

[HHhuntitall]

WhatchU lookin' at... . ...

 

[RSchwarzli]

My door is always open for you HH! Just dont bring any borgs with you!



Now road kill, that is a must! Tasty BBQ!

 

[SRay]

HHhuntitall: is that your truck? I like that bumper on it. It suits it well. My push bar came off of a 2003 dodge diesel that my buddy bought from Texas several years ago. He didn't want it so I made it fit on my 1997. What kind of bumper is it?

 

[HHhuntitall]

My door is always open for you HH! Just dont bring any borgs with you!



Now road kill, that is a must! Tasty BBQ!

Hey, Thanks BSchwarzli!! I may take you up on that someday!! If there are any Borg, they'll be wrapped around a driveshaft, full of holes, and well ground, so no worries! :-laf



And I'll bring a pig with a little less "tenderizing" done to it... ... ... . but you get to skin the nasty booger!!!







Dear Borg,



I dare you to ASSimilate me. I don't think you can. You're too scared. You and your cowardly kind wouldn't stand a chance. If you think otherwise, feel free to drop by and try. I can be found here:

1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW

Washington, DC 20500

It's the white house with the big lawn, you can't miss it.



Eat Politics and die!!

Sincerely,

Me

 

[HHhuntitall]

HHhuntitall: is that your truck? I like that bumper on it. It suits it well. My push bar came off of a 2003 dodge diesel that my buddy bought from Texas several years ago. He didn't want it so I made it fit on my 1997. What kind of bumper is it?

That's a Buckstop. I bought that to resell, and became a dealer, but I've not had much luck selling them. I was kinda surprised, as they're the best looking, contoured bumper for the price, IMHO. I love the Road Armour, but they were way higher, and were making it difficult for me to be a dealer, so I didn't bother much. The Buckstop guys were "Yes, Sir!!" for anything I asked. Well, other than the custom work... . They're probably the best looking for the first gens anywhere. They're OK on the 3rd gen, and really nice for the 2nd gen. My only gripe would be where the tubes bolt down on the brush guard... they block the turn signals from directly in front on the 2nd gen, and if you hit a deer or cow, they'll wrap around and crater the stinkin' fender!! Ask me how I know!!! I want to add a small extension when I repaint it..... Anyway, they sat around my shop for several months, and I had lots of interest until the price came up, so I finally bolted 'em up to my trucks thinking it would help generate interest... . I've gotten a couple of fleets to buy some, and they love 'em. I've pulled and pushed all kinds of crap, and so far I've only tweaked the very front of my '97s bumper, pushing my KW and trailer through some deep sand. They're tough!! If you go through my photo gallery, there's a pick of it on my '97 3500. I really want one for the '93, but the cost is kinda high for me.....



Also, the way they bolt on is pretty nice. They have two brackets that bolt on to the bottom of the frame behind the rad supports AND out where the bumper bolts are, plus two in the rad support cross member. Not perfect, but better than any other I've seen. Then those two brackes bolt to the bumper, so it's easy to pull the bumper, other than wiring, for any kind of repair or maintenance. IT's a nice setup, IMO. BUCKSTOP Truckware - Heavy-Duty Replacement Winch Bumpers for Dodge Trucks