2nd Gen Non-Engine/Transmission #2 diesel now $3.20/gal

[RoryTek]

So back to buy Amercian products, I just found out that if I buy a John Deere tractor most of it is made in China. So no matter who, what and where you buy, it's going to have Asia in it. Face it you can no longer use that argument. We are now part of the "World Economy" everything comes from everywhere.
Hope hope my POV is not to far off base.

R-

 

[Horsepuller]

$3. 15 in Santa Monica, premium gas was under $3, that is irksome. The popularity of diesel engines today, especially in trucks, is being played against the diesel consumer. High demand, low supply and no substitute. It's a dream come true for the oil companies. As John Wayne said: "it's gettin to be re-GDMN-diculous.

 

[JBlock]

RoryTek



It unforunate, but RoryTek has got it right, it takes work to buy American. Especially when JOhn Deers is 90% made with oversea components. Even Intel does all their assembly oversea, with the brains of the chips made in the USA.

 

[DLBurns]

This is nothing but the rape of the american consumer by the greedy *** scumbags running the major petroleum companies.

Diesel should be Federally and State REGULATED just like natural gas, electricity and water. It's not a perfect system but it does help to keep the monopolies from gouging the hell out of their consumers.

Oh ... ... and that lame duck *** wipe Bush needs to go back to his ranch and watch the tumble weeds grow!

 

[pwknapp]

I work in the gas patch and the supply and demand is a decided issue. No new refineries in years and those that are working are close to capacity. Factor in the $64/barrel and the fact that the older wells as they decline, produce markedly less "sweet crude" that is so easily made in to #2.

 

[ceastmen]

What is Bio-Diesel going for??

Chuck E.

 

[2Gen3Gen]

Makes me not want to come home :{ . I'm enjoying the prices her in the Northwest anybody know how bad I'm going to get on I-5 through central Calif?



Mac

Get ready to bend over! :--) :--) :--) :-laf

 

[Vaughn MacKenzie]

Looks like California is getting the same treatment the NW did a few months ago when our prices shot the moon. Washington had the highest prices in the US by a sizable margin. We were close to $3. 00 this spring.



Vaughn

 

[RStacy]

my . 02.

First America IS the worlds number one super power for a reason. Because we are quicker to realize that someone else may have an idea there and adapt the principles to our own needs. We are clever like that... . Most of the time. I am a Bush man to the end. but his interest, which I agree with 99. 0% of the time, also lie elswhere. the ten percent that I disagree with him. he is a fuelman and will protect his own interest on a personal level. Would any of us do it any differently? honestly? So Americans have come together to figure out how to make these big bad cummins run better and cheaper. make your own fuel or burn something else.

I've posted on both and will be burnning something else soon.

But that's why we are where we are in the world. We come up creative solutions to our problems. And lead the world to a new era in whatever the topic may be. of course Japan and China worry me based on pure mind power PER CAPITA. Somebody is bound to have an Idea sooner or later. But they have always been stand-offish or clever with someone elses idea. It's like working harder to get out of doing something rather than just doing it. Americans Just Do IT. Nike had it right!!. So in short I'll be creative on budget, you do the same and before long we will have something to sell to the rest of the world that will keep us out in front.



My money is on SVO. with all the money being made from Mickey D's "putting weight on people" they have to be using some serious grease!! With this in mind I follow the bio -d sites and the Svo sites regularly. (153 bio emails today) seems like there is always something wrong with the mix!!! enough for now. Shoot I hate those long post!!! don't they ever shut-up.



my apologies, but read the title!!!

 

[Bulldog80]

You guys just need to move out of California. Saving a buck a gallon on diesel is reason enough, not to mention gettin away from the communists.

 

[RStacy]

Ps to previous post mine is $2. 40 and keeping with premium.

 

[Fishin Guide]

I am a Bush man to the end. but his interest, which I agree with 99. 0% of the time, also lie elswhere. the ten percent that I disagree with him.

No offense, but the fuzzy math is why we are having issues right now. This is not Bush's fault. This is not a Republican vs. Democrat vs. all comers. This is greed. Pure and simple. For years the American businesses have lobbied to gain control over the oil business by destroying competition. Now, we all pay the price.



Do you think OPEC would continue to gouge the American public if we weren't paying for it? And at any cost? You want to get fuel prices in line? Simple. Make it here.



That's right, develop bio and work to stop the pitfalls of using it. I would imagine this would/ could also have an impact on heating oil use in this country as well. As soon as the American public is not held hostage to big oil, we would see the bottom fall out of the crude market. At least in this country.



Funny thing is, the only thing these oil producing countries have going for them is, OIL. When we don't need it, the money shrinks up, terrorists are no longer financed, governments have to yeild to word pressure and basically it puts several locations in this world firmly back into the dark ages.



Is that a bad thing? I dunno, how does $5 a gallon sound? We either invest in alternative technology now, or be forced to do it while working for a Chinese company and do our morning excersises in our black suits. Which of course, were made at the sister company to the one we work for and is exactly identical to every other black suit out there.



I purchase bio everywhere I can find it. One of the guys in our area is gonna start producing it and hopefully we can get a bunch of guys to pitch in and get it going. We all have to do something, not just compare the price at the pump from one state to another. We have got to wring the oil out of the towel and take back our security!



Dave

 

[Walt-L]

Listen, the oil companies are just doing what comes natural in a free CALITAList country. My peeve is the shear ingnorant AH's we share this great country with. I live 2 hrs drive north of NYC. I have to tell you if you EVER want to buy a SUV with a 4x4 running gear thats LIKE NEW we have hundreds of thousands of them here! I remember when nearly all 4x4s were bought cause you did snow plow work. In one way its Great that prices are climbing. A couple of years ago, I was buying a used 00 VW TDI Golf for a family beater. As the car sat idleing at the dealership, a woman that walked by asked the salesman what was "WRONG" with that car? After he told her it was a Diesel, she said "OH, I couldn't live with a car like that". Here you have it folks, The spoiled fat American syndrome... . Sky HI oil AND soon to be FOOD prices is the ONLY cure for the LARGESS of America. Cause the grey matter here AINT cuttin it! One third of all outstanding US government bonds are now held buy China intrests. Here we are tighed up tight in RED TAPE! The Shuttle Blows up twice because The Fed kissed the greenies *** and got rid of the asbestos O-ring seals on the engines AND had to use NON CFC made foam insulation on the booster fuel tank!!! The New "GREEN" foam insulation is 10 times more fragil that the old stuff. OTM's (other than mexicans) are floodin across the boarder and THEY get a appearance ticket for a DEPORTATION HEIRING and TURNED LOOSE! HERE!! of course 85 percent don't show for the good judge... ... ..... WHEN the Hell are we gona start doing something about this BULL SHI*? Sorry I got a bit off topic.

 

[nps]

Walt, tell us how you really feel. :-laf



Wait, am I in the politics thread?

 

[WadePatton]

I don't understand this logic. So if we all bought American and American industry started to surge wouldn't it need the same diesel to keep the American industry growing?

Good point. I get overzealous in my anti-communism/red army thing.



If presented with a choice--I ALWAYS choose the non-communist item. I'm not saying they don't have bad human-rights situations in other developing contries BUT none of them have the RED army. Anybody remember the USSR? Anybody remember Fidel? --and those lovely cigars that we CAN'T buy legally?



So back to the fuel.



First the EPA would never ever let US industry use fuel wasting, smoke belching manufacturing processes enjoyed by the rest of the world. SO the same products made here would consume less fuel being made. Then



Second, imagine that Hector makes your Widget in Mexico instead of China. That's one Mexican who is not an illegal alien. He is a Patriot, working for a living making widgets in his homeland. Then the Widgets get shipped all the way to the USA. That should reduce the travel time/fuel bill.



We have this ECO planetary love of the Earth so deep in our blood that we actually ship materials to china where they hit it with hammer and ship it back to us. That's why they need that big boat. :-laf



Okay ignore all that... this is the wrong forum.

 

[Baron]

Well... ... ... so far fishin guide makes the most sense to me!

 

[CStewart]

My two cents

Got some interesting if down right scary info today at work. I've worked at an oil refinery in the midwest for about eight years now and in all that time they have NEVER run at anything other then MAX capacity when ever they can. The problem is murphys law is alive and well and even small problems can greatly reduce production capacity let alone big ones like fires.

Due to the EPA and goverment regulation its not profitable for oil companies to build new refineries they just keep upgrading old ones for additional capacity. While I know that oil companies are making money in my opinion the big reason for the high prices and price fluctuation is supply and demand and the actions of commodity traders. The cost to refine a barrel of crude oil doesn't change much from month to month let alone day to day like the prices do. We have hundreds of thousands of barrels of product in storage at any one time. The price of oil in my opinion is driven by demand and what the brokers drive it too with every little blip they see in the market.

I love my dodge but the distance I drive to work got me into a jetta TDI that gets better then twice what the dodge gets in milage. I'm real happy with the 04 but when I was in for service I questioned why there were no new jetta TDI's out yet. I was told they were waiting for the ultra low sulphur diesel to come out so they can run the same engines they have in europe. OK so here is what I thought was the scary part( finally :{ )

I got to talkin to the powers that be today about when they plan on being able to start producing diesel that meets the new spec and I was told 2010 :--) Although I had seen major upgrades on the units that produce diesel I had assumed that it was to meet the new spec. What I was told was that to make the new diesel will require a completely new HIGH pressure hydrotreater to meet the new spec. And they don't plan on building one until 2010!! Whats more every refinery is the USA is set up the same way and from what I was told diesel production to the new spec MAY be able to meet only 50% of what there making now if there lucky!!! All were gonna be making is what we are now and selling it to the off road and marine markets. We will not be making any on road diesel to the new spec until 2010. Not only will our Cummins probably not like the new stuff it sounds to me like we'll be lucky if it isn't $4 to $5 a gallon. The only alternative, or one of them, is to take low sulphur diesel and run through a HP hydrotreater to get into spec and from what I can find out there are VERY few of those around now or any time soon. Well now that I have set a record for the most long winded post I have ever made I'll leave it at that. Like I said this is my two cents.



Chris

 

[Grizzly]

If everyone parked there diesel trucks for a month, what do you think would happen to the oil industry? Heck, let's go two months.

 

[WyattEarp]

2.37 now

diesel just jumped from 2. 31 to 2. 37 in a day, guy at service station says next week 10-15 more cent hike for gas and diesel.

I hope this wonderful thriving economy we have just peeks due to all this, our gov't will be issuing welfare notices for area's like mine, most pple don't realize there are still some areas of this country where pple are driving over an hour to work, working from check to check and most are doing it on min. wage.

This area here can't withstand such a brunt, well it can but at the expense of every service station, store shutting down.



HOPE OUR DAMN GOV'T IS HAPPY!!!! Energy bill My *****.....

 

[RACE427]

$3.20 a gallon is nothing wait to you see whats coming!

A barrel of oil traded yesterday at just below $ 67. 00, this means that the cost of fuel will be on the rise again. They predict that a barrel of oil will go for $ 80. 00 a barrel before long, fuel will be up to $ 4. 00 a gallon then. I feel sorry for the American Auto Worker, these men and women saw massive layoffs in the 70's due to the Arab oil embargos. Everyone in this country went out and bought imported cars and trucks leaving American workers out to dry. If you were an auto mechanic in a domestic new car dealership you saw layoffs because your boss could not sell cars. If he cannot sell new cars why does he need guys working in the service department?



America is an oil based economy, all of us, everything we do in our lives is affected by the price of oil. Price of oil goes up, everything else will follow!!



Stop and think for a moment, what would you do if we had no more oil? We as a society cannot function, the Arabs know it !! Garbage bags of plastic, polyester clothing, CDs, recording tape, garbage barrels, plastics, the way we get to work, light up most of our homes, heat our homes, Asphalt roads, all based on oil products or by products. It was said in the 70's "America is a Junkie on oil", said to say but it is true!!



If you are into reading books, spiritual stuff, look for

"Koviashuvik" By Sam Wright... ..... not an expensive paperback about $20. Kind of opens up your eyes. We are trapped and no one knows the way out.

Not even those who supposedly run this country.



Just a thought that is all, not trying to sway anyone. Saw all of this back in the 70's, just worked in the Auto Industry, been laid off 13 times in my working career. It sucks big time to be out of work !! Unemployment? they treat you like dirt, like your a lazy bum, like it is your fault you were laid off!! Most degrading thing that can happen to a worker.



God Bless America, still the best place on earth to live..... am i glad my Grandfather came to this country !!!! LOL