2007 Dodge Buy Backs????????

[catoiler]

well i live in california so it goes without saying we ain't gettin nothin else! 2nd off my son in laws father works for Chevron running the console and he says nothing being made but ulsd. your man works for a dealer so his word don't mean a whole lot.

 

[hwebster]

Ulsd Vs Lsd

After driving thru the States last month and seeing all the ULSD stickers on the pumps, I noticed that in Canada the only stickers on the diesel pumps we LSD. The caused me some concern and I did some snooping on the net and found this. .



http://www.cppi. ca/pdf/ULSD_Q&A_e.pdf



Turns out that, in a blaze of bureaucratic wisdom, we Canadians are calling the 15 PPM diesel LSD not ULSD... .

 

[kshimizu]

My work bought one this past summer. It went 1000 miles without a regen and the canister was full. The truck sat at the dealer for 3 weeks without a fix and they finally took it back. This was back before they came out with any of the flashes that were supposed to fix the problem.

 

[jelag]

My 5500 is on its first long trip..... on the way to Edmonton and back this week... . we scaled it at a shade under 19,500 lbs loaded... .

I'd like to add... the gent about Chevrons refineries making only USLD is in line with I'm sure all of them... . sure both can be sold thru 2010 but the COSTS associated with shipping and storage prohibit most all distributors from doing so... . None of these guys have the excess storage needed for another product...

One thing I learned in the class I went to... Cummins and dodge are the only guys using a DPF that can re-gen... they re-gen it so for 2 reasons...

1 - its smaller, so that it can be put under a pickup... . needs a fraction of the surface area if it can be re-generated instead of cleaned... .

2 - its cheaper..... The DPF on a large class truck is several hundred pounds and the replacement costs are close to 6,000

They believe (cummins - dodge) that a smaller unit, that can re-gen is the long range better plan for smaller trucks... . remember that to re-gen means putting raw fuel into the CAT to raise the temperature so that excess soot can burn off...

I want to say without going back to my notes that the reduction from soot to ash is 50:1... . they had in a glass vile the amount of soot produced per liter per hour of engine size at 1200 rpm... .

 

[BimmerAgent]

Ford flames?

I must be missing something. If Dodge & Cummins are he only ones using a regenerative DPF, then what was the 6. 4 PowerChoke doing when it was spewing flames out the tailpipe shortly afer it was first introduced? Does the 'Choke not have a DPF? Bruce

 

[HBarlow]

Jim,



I hope you'll keep us posted on the performance of the 5500 and also post some completed photos of it now that it's rigged out.



I believe what you're saying about the fuel distribution system but EB, the oilfield hotshotter has recently commented that ULSD is still not available throughout the area where he operates and fuels. The challenges and solutions probably vary from region to region.



That's great info about how Cummins-Dodge chose to approach the DPF problem. I've not heard or read that anywhere else. I have always felt that Cummins tries to take the most practical, least expensive, and most durable approach to solving industry/product challenges and I think that is one of the reasons their engines are so successful and popular with us who own them.



Harvey

 

[Jeepstang]

jeepstang,



I hope you didn't think I was saying I disbelieved or doubted the accuracy of your earlier report. That is not my meaning. I believe that ULSD is not available in all areas and have no doubt that Dodge and its dealers believe that many problems are being caused by fuel related issues.



I think Jelag's fuel retailers are probably telling him the truth also that they don't intentionally mislabel LSD fuel as ULSD fuel.



I value all good information. I think the cause of problems some owners report is still unclear and I seek the answer.



Harvey

No Offense taken



I try to look at it with an unbiased opinion

I only can verify what I see with my own eyes and pass on information given to me which I feel to be reliable sources. The fact that ULSD is hard to find in my area is enough for me to have concern where I get my fuel from. I stay away from the mom and pop no name discount stations which I is really rare for them to even have ULSD. I can only hope that when the pump reads ULSD that I am getting pure ULSD . I was thinking last night that the City i grew up in which is the second largest city in the state of MD. It is in one of the wealthiest counties in the United states. I cannot think of a single station that I know of that sells ULSD. I don't have the time to call everyone of them i have driven through it many times looking without finding any

I know there are some retired people on here that may have time to do this

I challenge someone to find a station in Rockville, MD. That sells ULSD

You will see what I am talking about. I have a spare 5 gallon can filled with ULSD because when I get to 1/2 tank I start looking to get filled up.

 

[jelag]

I'm sorry, I was using a comparission with big trucks and the DPF, and not comparing them with Ford and Chevy... . Ford or Chevy might re-gen but I know that large truck mfg have decided for the most part not to do it...

 

[grasmo]

The first cel I had was the first day I had my new truck... Guess what Full tank compliments the dealer. When I brought the truck back A couple of days later the mechanic told me the cel was caused by improper fuel,and asked me what kind of fuel I had put in it. I told him I had not put any fuel in it there was nothing else said. Here in the last visit to his shop I wanted to confirm that what he told me was accurate ... . The scan tool told him that I had run the wrong kind of fuel ... . at that point he said no that the truck can't tell the scan tool that. I guess he was fishing to see if he could immediately establish wrong fuel knowing the trucks are gonna have problems repeatedly and then it would be all my fault . The more systems you add to a vehicle the more chances you have for a failure, just a fact.

 

[jelag]

Jeepstang

If your extra 5 gal can is galvanized, expect problems. . diesel is not to be stored in galvanized containers... additives in diesel attack the zinc coating causing parts of it to dissolve and go into the tank...

Where do you live... . I'll ask one of the fuel distributors I deal with to see if there are other standards that might be in use by oil distributors in other areas... 2 of the systems we belong to are nation wide and Canada...

 

[Jeepstang]

Jelag i have it in a plastic can but thanks I was not aware of that. I live in a Suburb of Washington DC and Baltimore

my issue is locating ULSD not the quality of fuel I have not heard of any issues with what is in the tanks in this area

 

[starkmr]

I have to agree with Jelag here, storage is limited in most locales and having to provide storage for both ULSD and LSD isn't practical. The other part to that is that fill lines would have to be flushed every time you switched from LSD to ULSD so that what's in the pipe doesn't get mixed. It's just not logical for them to keep both. As for putting LSD into a tank that is designated ULSD on the consumer end (at the pump) I believe it is against federal law to do that and the fine is probably based on the number of gallons in the tank + number of gallons sold since the last delivery. Though I haven't researched this, I would bet that the distributor has laws preventing them from putting the wrong fuel in the tank. It stands to reason that a retailer that knowingly puts LSD in their ULSD tank would be liable for every 2010 compliant diesel vehicle with a motor failure linked to wrong fuel.

 

[CUMMINZ]

Jim,



How did your 5500 do with weight of 19. 5k?



As to my 6. 7L I love it so much I can't stand it. .

 

[ASchuerg]

I HaVE BEEN THERE WITH CHRYSLER TWICE IN THE PAST. BOTH TIMES I WAS RECEIVED AND SETTLED TO MY SATISFACTION. HOWEVER, IF YOU PLAN TO PURSUE A LEMON LAW THERE AREA FEW THINGS YOU MUST KNOW.

FIRST THE PROBLEM HAS TO BE ON GOING THAT MEANS THE SAME PROBLEM W/O SASISFACTORY RESULTS. SECOND " DOCUMENT EVERYTHING " I MEAN EVERYTHING.

THIRD VISIT ANOTHER DEALER TO SEE IF YOU CANNOT GET THE PROBLEM RESOLVED.

FORTH, GET THE DC INVOLVED

LAST RETAIN A CIVIL ATTORNEY BRING SUIT AGAINST DODGE, CHRYSLER, AND THE DEALER.

I HAVE WON BOTH TIMES W/ A REPLACEMENT UNIT $ 5k THE FIRST TIME AND $10k THE SECOND FOR DAMAGES AND INCONVIENCE.

OH BY THE WAY IF THEY HAVE TO KEEP YOUR TRUCK OVERNIGHT MAKE THEM GIVE YOU A LOANER

 

[jelag]

Cumminz

The truck runs great... . really blasts up the hills... . we bought our first automatic in over 12 years... . Its the Aisin..... the only issue so far is that we have a light vibration when the truck in NOT in tow /haul with 19. 5K between 35-50... if we push the button and lock it into tow/haul its fine...

We've installed a set of extra filters... . 10 micron and 2 micron in the fuel line under the cab... . I'll get photos soon. . the truck now has about 6K miles... .

 

[wstmmd]

I bought an 07 w/5. 9 in Aug 07- 2 days later it would not start! 20 miles from home in the mountains- After 20 or 30 min while on the phone to Chrysler to arrange for a tow, it started. Took it to a dealer the next business day and they did a "flash". Two nights later the cruise would not work- next day, "flash" and a new cruise switch. One day later, the Ck Eng light went on. The following day the dealer said there were 3 unrelated codes. They kept it 3 days and worked with "star" to try to correct the warning lights,etc. Then 1 day later Ck Eng, light came on. Took it to another dealer who kept it one week and put in a new engine control module and something in the throttle. Drove 7 miles and CEL CAME BACK ON!Took it back to dealer and got so irritated I sold it! Sad, as the mileage was over 20 mpg (calculated) and the rest of the truck was fine. But 10 days in the shop in 8 weeks and over 50 miles each way for each repair was too much for me to put up with. The dealers were nice enough and the techs seemed nice, but I've had lemons before and they never get better. I wrote Chrysler after the first major problem. Weeks after I sold it they called and after a long discussion they said they would do nothing as I didn't own it, and it didn't seem to sink in that I sold it as it was defective and not "fixable"! So its not just the 6. 7's with problems. Something seems to be setting off warnings that don't correlate with a specific problem. Months later a recently retired Chrysler engineer told me if it was running ok and oil pressure and temp were ok, I should not have worried about the warnings. If so why do they "track" all that data with the sophisticated computer system? Sounds like its great when it works, but if it doesn't they have no clue as to the "fix". I'm not angry anymore, but disappointed and out several thousand dollars!

 

[courierdog]

In Canada July 2006 it was mandated in Canada to convert to ULSD!
In June of 2006 Shell announced they completed their conversion and implemented the change over one month early.
This being said why then did I have to have the EGR, Cat and the DPF replaced as they were totally plugged. I only fill up at high volume Shell truck stops. (Flying J, Shell) All my VW TDI's have been running much better since the conversion to ULSD, filled at the same locations but my 2007 6. 7 has had its share of "So Called" fuel related issues.
Are there other factors which we are not being told?

 

[jelag]

courierdog... . I'd bet money that these problems are not fuel related issues... . instead its a problem with the tech and his ability to understand the system and how it works... just like wstmmd and his problems... the guys don't understand whats going on and because they can't diagnose any more they depend on the equipment which still needs to be refined... .

The techs won't admit they have a problem... so they blame the fuel...

I've seen a lot of posts on this board where the driver thinks there is something wrong... or he wants it checked... he takes it in when its his driving habits or something else... I personally feel the engineers have done a great job... we just need to let the dust settle... Understand that if this is a failure of Cummins, as it's their design and something they've put all their eggs in one basket on... . they will be in deep do do... . so to speak because this is the platform they've chosen for the rest of their engines. .

 

[HBarlow]

I think you are probably right, Jelag. The new trucks may not be as simple and troublefree as the previous generation yet, but lots of them seem to run fine and their owners praise them here.



I am confident that Cummins and Dodge will work through the problems and make it as right as they can.



I'll admit to a little uncertainty myself but I will take delivery of a new '08 3500 cab and chassis Monday. If I'm back on the forum whining about problems with mine in a few weeks or months some of you can laugh at me or commiserate with me, your choice.



Harvey

 

[FourBarR]

cummins and dodge will work through these problems the same way they did for the 53 block,lift pump and vp44.