2011 Ford F550. Round 3!!..

[TFucili]

That is the problem... Cummins is their competition. They don't want to buy from a competitor in the off highway engine business.

Personally, I don't see why they don't buy a Cummins since Cummins doesn't compete with CAT in that size on highway truck business... but it's not my decision.

Bill

I can see where they are coming from, but talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face! When it affects your ability to conduct business it is bad policy. For the down-time and heartaches they are enduring they could buy the Dodges, pry the Cummins "C" off the fenders, install their own emblems. Pretty silly to not buy what is obviously a superior package, though.

 

[Wingate]

I can see where they are coming from, but talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face! When it affects your ability to conduct business it is bad policy. For the down-time and heartaches they are enduring they could buy the Dodges, pry the Cummins "C" off the fenders, install their own emblems. Pretty silly to not buy what is obviously a superior package, though.

haha. . that was already suggested!. .
Im sure the NG is still just an idea for us... but many of the NG producers are already making the jump... it will be interesting to see it become more widely used.

 

[Slow Six]

Sort of like the guys who wouldn't be caught in a Dodge but driving a Sterling was okay!!

 

[HBarlow]

It's bad enough now, what will Wingate's company do when the warranties expire on those pos Furds? Those things can generate tens of thousands of dollars in repair costs per truck each year.

 

[TFucili]

haha. . that was already suggested!. .
Im sure the NG is still just an idea for us... but many of the NG producers are already making the jump... it will be interesting to see it become more widely used.

I know CNG has all of the momentum, and has been used pretty heavily in city buses, etc. , but what happened to GTL(Gas To Liquid)Technology? As I recall, it produces liquid fuel that requires no equipment conversion, and no infrastructure changes for refueling.

 

[TFucili]

haha. . that was already suggested!. .

Im sure the NG is still just an idea for us... but many of the NG producers are already making the jump... it will be interesting to see it become more widely used.

I know CNG has all of the momentum, and has been used pretty heavily in city buses, etc. , but what happened to GTL(Gas To Liquid)Technology? As I recall, it produces liquid fuel that requires no equipment conversion, and no infrastructure changes for refueling.

 

[Wingate]

Talked with the dealership several times today... . seems that Ford has a throttle valve/actuator on this engine and apparently it has failed. If that was the problem, it will explain why it did not want to run on ether, no air!.
Where have we really gone in the world of diesels when we installed a throttle plate/actuator like a gas engine. . ??
I WILL say that the repairing dealership is going above and beyond in fixing this truck. Cannot thank them enough for their commitment.

 

[Wingate]

Its alive again. (knock on wood)
While I have mainly just reported on my particular truck, but I have to share this one. The twin sister to my truck that came in on the same haul truck that Saturday morning ( first two we received) went down on Sunday evening. Wold run on ether, but nothing else. Ford dealerships do ALL of our service work and repairs, no quickie lubes. . etc. . Maintenance is done at 5K miles and always includes oil change and fuel filters.
Dealership decided the injection pump had to be removed. Upon disassembly, they said the inside of the pump looked like a bomb had exploded inside of it! Dealership is going to have to remove the entire HP fuel system and replace it all. They are saying it will be about 10-11K warranty pricing. . NOT retail. .
This fuel system/engine has approx. 38-40K miles on it!. No bad fuel present, no abuse, no programmers...

 

[HBarlow]

I wonder if Furd's top management folks are beginning to wonder why they are in the diesel light truck market at all? It's bad enough when someone is trying to depend on that junk to power a service truck that is down 1/2 the time but I wouldn't drive a free Furd that's out of warranty.

 

[Wingate]

Dealership service department made the comment they are now seeing more of the new 6. 7L in for repairs than the 6. 0-6. 4L engines.

 

[JR]

Dealership service department made the comment they are now seeing more of the new 6. 7L in for repairs than the 6. 0-6. 4L engines.

Why am i not surprised? Even though these are "ford" engines, it seems like theyve kept alot of the over engineered garbage that the navistars had.

 

[JFought]

WINGATE
So are you saying,
under warranty they are charging your company $10K
Or that the wholesale parts cost being billed to ford Corp. is $10k?

 

[rscurtis]

Dealership service department made the comment they are now seeing more of the new 6. 7L in for repairs than the 6. 0-6. 4L engines.

Does that comment refer to the 450-550 only, or does it also include pickups?

 

[HBarlow]

Someone posted a link earlier in this thread a couple of weeks ago that took me to a popular Furd enthusiast's website. Pickup truck owners are seeing it also. It's funny to go there and read the reports. When an obviously truthful owner reports with sadness that his new truck has suffered a major engine problem some of them viciously attack him accusing him of being a troll, a liar, or similar. Furd owners don't want to hear the truth.

When a Furd service department reports they're seeing worse numbers for 6. 7 failures than the Sick. Ohh disaster of the mid-2000 era that is indeed bad news.

 

[Wingate]

WINGATE
So are you saying,
under warranty they are charging your company $10K
Or that the wholesale parts cost being billed to ford Corp. is $10k?

We arent being charged anything. . thats what the repairing dealer said the parts/labor costs... . when billed to Ford warranty. . Remember though, this is on a medium duty... many shops charge different rates for medium dutys... .

 

[Wingate]

Does that comment refer to the 450-550 only, or does it also include pickups?

I didnt really ask, and he did not specify... . I was actually floored that he said it... but when I looked around their service dept. they had the cabs off 2 2011-2012 pickups swapping engines.
I believe the 2011 and 2012 pickups will end up with the same reputation and resale value as the 1st generation of the 6. 0L . . Dont know if they will get the 13 models lined out... Kinda reminds me of the LB7 Duramaxes and their injector/pump problems. .

 

[MChrist]

I may be naively optimistic here, but I would like to think that Ford will be able to figure out why their engines are failing. I keep hearing that they go while under very little load and on the highway. Maybe they are going into regen, and the temps are taking out valves that can't quite handle the EGT?

It'll be interesting to see just what the culprit will be.

 

[jgillott]

I may be naively optimistic here, but I would like to think that Ford will be able to figure out why their engines are failing. I keep hearing that they go while under very little load and on the highway. Maybe they are going into regen, and the temps are taking out valves that can't quite handle the EGT?

It'll be interesting to see just what the culprit will be.

It makes me question how this type of problem would not have been indicated in pre-production testing.

 

[SRay]

Maybe ford didn't do much testing on their products before customers bought them

 

[seafish]

Maybe ford didn't do much testing on their products before customers bought them

That was one of the problems... IIRC they did 100k hours of engine test stand testing of the motor, but that certainly does NOT replicate real world testing.