2013 3500 14k GVW ?

[Bill Stockard]

The dual alternators have been a longstanding option for the Ferd Stupor Duty C&C trucks bound for ambulance, wrecker, etc. service where electrical power demands are high at idle conditions for an extended period of time. I would hope that Ram has a similar option for the C&C trucks intended for these services.



Rusty

During the introduction video made at the Texas State Fair, it was announced that dual alternators would be available on '13 C&C trucks.



Bill

 

[RustyJC]

Bill,



I don't keep up with the C&C options, but I've seen more and more Ram C&Cs in ambulance service. I guess I'm surprised that they don't have the dual alternators already.



Rusty

 

[Bill Stockard]

I haven't seen any C&Cs in ambulance service in my local area yet, but every new small bucket truck operated by the utility companies and the local REA are Ram C&Cs.



Bill

 

[MoparBob]

I have been searching for wheel/tire info for '13's and finally found some info.



SRW Standard 275/70-18 3640lbs (increase of 445lbs)

DRW Standard 285/60-20 3640lbs (increase of 555lbs) Seems like a WIDE DRW tire, so I wonder if that's a typo???



Rear axle ratings don't seem to have changed, but 9,350 + 6,000 is still over the 14K rating. Even if the DRW tires are still the 3085lb 235/80-17 they have enough capacity for a 14K GVW.



Once thing I noticed is fuel tanks are smaller, 32 gals for an 8. 0ft box.





EDIT: NIssacs beat me to it, I guess I took too long in reading and typing.

I really hope these are the new tire sizes!!!

 

[Bill Stockard]

I have been searching for wheel/tire info for '13's and finally found some info.



SRW Standard 275/70-18 3640lbs (increase of 445lbs)

DRW Standard 285/60-20 3640lbs (increase of 555lbs) Seems like a WIDE DRW tire, so I wonder if that's a typo???



Rear axle ratings don't seem to have changed, but 9,350 + 6,000 is still over the 14K rating. Even if the DRW tires are still the 3085lb 235/80-17 they have enough capacity for a 14K GVW.



Once thing I noticed is fuel tanks are smaller, 32 gals for an 8. 0ft box.





EDIT: NIssacs beat me to it, I guess I took too long in reading and typing.

I ran a quick "Search" on the tire size 285/60/20 and find only one supplier of that size tire... Goodyear.



Bill

 

[NIsaacs]

I ran a quick "Search" on the tire size 285/60/20 and find only one supplier of that size tire... Goodyear.



Bill

Might have to go with an old 10:00x20 split rim, tube type at replacment time..... :-laf



Nick

 

[Bill Stockard]

Might have to go with an old 10:00x20 split rim, tube type at replacment time..... :-laf



Nick

Yep, 10. 00 x 20 on 20" split type rim on a Dayton cast spoke wheel... "cultivator wheels" as we called them. :-laf BTDT



Bill

 

[zb39]

One of my local ambulance services has a new one on a Ram cc. Nice looking machine. I asked them about the dual alternators and they didn't know anything except it was a diesel. Nice guys though. Are 20 inch tires with decent tread available, I don't mean mudders, but something with a little more bite than street tires.

 

[EGroeneveld]

Toyo has MT and AT in a 275/65/20 size that will might work pretty well, but its not a ''stock'' size.



If Dodge, er Ram, starts using a 20'' rim size for all tires from the factory I'd imagine that the aftermarket will react pretty quickly. Look how many tires are available now for 17'' 18'' and 20'' rims for all the Super Dutys and Ram HDs now.

 

[AH64ID]

17's have been out for many years, and there are still more 16" options. Ram/Ford haven't even offered 16's, or been able to use them in 10 years but there are still new tires being developed in 16's, with better load ratings and size options. 17's appear skipped over, it seems 16's and 18's are the future.

 

[CPH]

Does anyone know the Wheel cut on the new CC?



Charlie

 

[HBarlow]

Does anyone know the Wheel cut on the new CC?

Charlie

No, but you can probably find that spec on the body builder's guide.

 

[TFunfer]

I ran a quick "Search" on the tire size 285/60/20 and find only one supplier of that size tire... Goodyear.



Bill

In a couple of pics on the web of the 2013 3500 Dually it has Continental HSR tires. Those are usually 225/70R19. 5 on the 4500/5500 trucks. Other pictures I've seen it has General Ameritrac tires.

 

[Bill Stockard]

In a couple of pics on the web of the 2013 3500 Dually it has Continental HSR tires. Those are usually 225/70R19. 5 on the 4500/5500 trucks. Other pictures I've seen it has General Ameritrac tires.

The 19. 5 tires confirms my guess (see post #33 above) all along as to how they get 14,000 GVWR on a 3500 DRW. It's beginning to look more and more like the original Ford F450 pickup specifications, but not the "neutered" F450 pickup Ford sells now.



Bill

 

[AH64ID]

I would be very shocked to see 19. 5's on a 3500 pickup, it's simply not needed to get to 14K GCWR. We know the front axle will be a 6K lb axle, and the rear doesn't even have to change from it's 9,350 it has now to more than meet 14K.



These spec's show a 17" or 20" option for 3500 DRW's.



http://www.rambodybuilder.com/2013/docs/ram/ramhdts.pdf



Thou these spec's show 17" for DRW, and the 20"s are for SRW's (which is more realistic)





http://www.rambodybuilder.com/2013/docs/intro/tirecharts.pdf



From what I can tell D2 is a 3500 pickup, DD is a 3500 C&C, and DP is a 4500/5500. So it appears even the 3500 C&C's are sticking with 17's.



EDIT: Looks like I got the codes correct.



http://www.allpar.com/forums/topic/81103-master-platformbody-codes-list/

 

[NIsaacs]

I would be very shocked to see 19. 5's on a 3500 pickup, it's simply not needed to get to 14K GCWR.





I agree, 6, 17" tires @3,000 lb capacity is good for 18,000



Nick

 

[EGroeneveld]

I think for some of us we just want a higher GVW and higher rear axle rating. I have a super heavy slide in camper. My rear axle weighs in a 10K with the camper loaded and a trailer (ATV/UTV loaded) hooked up too. So I'm somewhat over the Rear axle rating and the GVW. I'd prefer to be under all the factory ratings if I could.

 

[AH64ID]

I think for some of us we just want a higher GVW and higher rear axle rating. I have a super heavy slide in camper. My rear axle weighs in a 10K with the camper loaded and a trailer (ATV/UTV loaded) hooked up too. So I'm somewhat over the Rear axle rating and the GVW. I'd prefer to be under all the factory ratings if I could.

That's why they have a C&C truck, specifically 4500. The AAM is already rated at more the RAM allows. There is room for an increase, but there is probably a reason the GVWR is 2550lbs less than FAWR + RAWR.

 

[HBarlow]

GVWRs of up to 19,500 lbs. have been offered by Ram since mid year 2007. I guess some want a Ram 2500 or Ram 3500 SRW with a GVWR of 16,000 lbs. I don't understand the thinking.

 

[rrl989]

I need a Ram 3500 DRW with a payload of 5000 lbs minimum, give it whatever GVWR that's needed for the job. I don't consider a C&C to be a pickup truck.
GM already has a 5000++ plus rated payload on their 3500 DRWs.