2014 Cummins Coolant Confusion

[m37]

20 years? The truck I bought new prior to my 17 RAM was a 94 F250 7.3 IDI (the last yr for mechanical engine), It had 98,000 miles and ALL original hoses and clamps, thats 23 years. But that had the factory short life GREEN coolant with Cummins DCA-4 religiously maintained to the proper concentration (so the PH was were it belonged and no cavitation possible). Last spring I drove it from CT to OK to pick up a Kubota tractor, worked flawlessly. How do you figure that into the mix? The long life coolant seems like a scam to get you to spend more money and give them a reason to deny warranty claims. But I am just old school.

 

[SyN]

Question for the Mass: Without doing a total complete flush is it safe/feasible to mix different brands but SAME Chemistry of OAT coolants?

Example: Mopar OAT / Fleetguard ES Compleat OAT or Mopar OAT / Peak Final Charge OAT

 

[Too Tall]

This is what they put in my 2014 when I had the water pump replaced. It's purple. The mechanic gave me the opened jug. This is the concentrate but they also used the 50 -50 so part numbers would be different I assume.

 

[SyN]

That is the same type I bought off of Amazon. Just to have a gallon in the garage for top off or incase I have a hose fail or develop a leak.

I am asking for a neighbor who has a 2016 whom had a bottom radiator hose develop a leak.
Local WM has the Peak Final Charge ELC - OAT to which he was going to replace the hose and refill with the Final Charge which is the Same Chemistry as the Mopar OAT--> just a different color.

I know it is against all that is Holy to mix different types of Chemistries but I have not found any info on it being against all rules to Mix different colors of the Same Chemistries...

Thank You Mr Blair for your Reply.

 

[GAmes]

Prestone label says it mixes with all types. That is what I use.

 

[JR]

Question for the Mass: Without doing a total complete flush is it safe/feasible to mix different brands but SAME Chemistry of OAT coolants?

Example: Mopar OAT / Fleetguard ES Compleat OAT or Mopar OAT / Peak Final Charge OAT

I researched this as I've got access to a near full drum of Peak Final Charge that was ordered for a job and didn't get used as expected. The Peak appears to be a superior coolant looking at specs alone, it meets the latest CES14603 which the Mopar stuff makes no mention of. It also says it is compatible with ALL OAT coolants.


http://peakhd.com/wp-content/uploads/img_upload/Final Charge Red_Spec Sheet_hires.pdf?x38462

 

[SyN]

Yes: The Peak Final Charge is a very robust ELC HD Diesel coolant.
According to the Literature it is far superior to the Mopar OAT.
If I could only find out for 100% certain that he could just drain the coolant the replace the hose and refill with the Final Charge with never an issue that would be awesome.
I am thinking very hard: Since Both coolants are OAT he will not have to do a complete flush.

Local WM had the 50/50 FC for $12.47 gal
The 100% Concentrate is virtually impossible to find locally. Which I guess is smart (Keeps owners from going retard and adding tap water).

If I remember right the Final Charge is good for almost 600K miles.

I guess I could contact Peak and ask them.
For those that are curious about the coolant I am referring to here is a bit of info.

https://www.sinclairoil.com/sites/default/files/PEAK FINAL CHARGE 50-50.pdf

Once I find that these 2 coolants are 100% compatible with no future ill effects I will switch over. First I need to find a proper drain procedure.
Note: I wouldn't even bother if I only had plans on keeping this 2017 Ram for 3-4 years. She is going to be in my possession well into my retirement so this is for the future not just for $hits & Giggles.

This is what I found today: OAT coolants are cross brand compatible. Peaks Final Charge OAT coolant is currently used by Spartan in their chassis - Cummins Fleetguard Division which originally made an OAT coolant called Optimax but this has now been rebranded as ES Compleat OAT extended life coolant.
Caterpiller offers its own CAT ELC coolant, which also uses OAT technology. (All 3 are 100% compatible so if you cant find one brand, you can go into any truck dealership and pick up one of the others at the parts counter).
The majority of the OAT coolants are orange in color, although they can vary, so color alone will not determine OAT status.
Shell's Rotella ELC is more of Red in color. It too is a ELC that can go 600K miles.
However it is not a true OAT coolant so don't go mixing this with any of the other brands of OAT coolants..
Take all this for what it is worth.

Sad thing is: There Just is not much info out there informing customers who supplies FCA with their Mopar OAT coolant.

 

[JR]

Per the link I posted,

Works in ALL heavy-duty diesel, gasoline and natural gas engine cooling systems

And furthermore,

Can be mixed with other coolants

I am Certainly not telling you or anyone else what to do. I'm far from an expert, but from what I do know there just aren't that many variations among OAT coolants and what classifies them as such.
I have mixed a small amount of this very coolant when my upper wye burst in with the OEM stuff. It's not been a long time (less than a year) but I truly anticipate no problems.
And I will use it when the time comes for a coolant flush/refill.

 

[SyN]

Pardon my ignorance on this matter: Is the 6.7L a dry sleeve or wet sleeve motor?

 

[JR]

Pardon my ignorance on this matter: Is the 6.7L a dry sleeve or wet sleeve motor?

Neither. The ISB is considered a parent bore block. Better heat dissipation, compactness, and weight savings over a lined engine are a few advantages of a parent bore over sleeved. Advantages of a sleeved engine is ease of rebuild and cost of rebuild IF the cylinders were damaged, with a parent bore you can either bore out or drop in a dry sleeve. Sleeved engines are touted as being more durable with their hardened liners but the ISB has proven itself as quite capable over the long haul.

 

[SyN]

Thanks JR!
Just a note: I myself am sticking with the Mopar OAT coolant.
Only if I have any issues with the cooling system in the future & have to drain the system would I consider switching to Final Charge.

I still am going to make an effort to see what company supplies Mopar with the OAT coolant.

After a couple of hours of research I found a bit of info from a reliable source that explained to me that Valvoline was the main supplier of HOAT coolant to Chrysler.

I was instructed that another company is currently producing the Mopar OAT.
Valvolines engineers got ahold of this new OAT and multiple tests were performed and the results showed this new Mopar Coolant is indeed 100% Dexcool and showed to have the exact same chemistry as the Zerox Dexcool. Same Chemistry just different color.

Take that info for what it is worth.

 

[Newsa]

Neither. The ISB is considered a parent bore block. Better heat dissipation, compactness, and weight savings over a lined engine are a few advantages of a parent bore over sleeved. The only real advantage of a sleeved engine is ease and cost of rebuild IF the cylinders were damaged, but with a parent bore you can either bore out or drop in a dry sleeve .

Where would the piston cooling jets go in a sleeved engine?

 

[JR]

Generally the same place, the main oil gallery of the block