2016 2500 4x4 auto 3:42

[AH64ID]

Last year for 17" rims on tradesman was 2013.

Ummm.. they are still, 2019, the standard tradesman wheel.

 

[Shiner]

Ummm.. they are still, 2019, the standard tradesman wheel.

Maybe when upgraded to chrome clad it goes to 18"? I admit, I am too comfy at the moment to look up my sticker.

 

[Timd32]

Pretty good guess on the 23k GCWR he came up with on the OP.

My guess's are as follows. Who else wants to throw numbers out there for the following:

1. Truck Type
2. Truck Weight
3. Trailer Weight
4. Pin Weight / Tounge Weight
5. Trailer Type: Bumper, GN, 5th
6. AXLE Over Weight By

My offical guesses:
1. CC 6.4 Bed
2. 7,860 Truck Weight
3. 15,100 Trailer Weight
4. 3,500 Pin Weight
5. GN
6. +413 GAWR

 

[Timd32]

My first draft

1. CC 6.4 Bed
2. 7620 off the J2807 sheet
3. 15340 trailer
4. 3740 pin
5. GN
6. +653 GAWR

 

[Newsa]

Stock width of the 17 inch tires on the tradesman was 245. But i imagine if you go to a 275 width which fits fine on an 8 inch wide rim, you can get a tire that holds more weight

 

[pwr2tow]

I'm assuming beaverguy isn't responding much is because he doesn't want or care for the way these types of threads go.

Kudos to you beaverguy.

 

[AH64ID]

I suspect the OP isn’t avoiding how these threads go, but rather not publishing how overweight he likely is on the the rear tires.

IMO there isn’t anything wrong with exceeding GVWR or RAWR on a 2500 if you have the tires/wheels to support the weight. The frame/axle can handle the weight, and on a 13+ 2500 airbags will really help when above RAWR.

By my 0.02 is that exceeding tire ratings is just asking for trouble. Not saying I’ve never done it, but I’ll go out of my way to avoid it.

Stock width of the 17 inch tires on the tradesman was 245. But i imagine if you go to a 275 width which fits fine on an 8 inch wide rim, you can get a tire that holds more weight

245’s are rated at 3,000 lbs, and 3,195. So you can gain a little, but not much. 17’s have been limited to 3195lbs by regulation. The only exceptions are tires that were designated before the regulation changed. When tires get updated they have to drop, if they were higher, to a max of 3195lbs.

 

[Cummins12V98]

Too funny no one wants to give ALL the info and want ALL the answers!

As mentioned what are the truck axle weights and what type of trailer is it???

 

[beaverguy]

Your truck will pull that trailer without any problems. I had the exact same truck as yours and pulled a 16,000lb toyhauler. Your air bags will definitely help in the sagging. Check the load rating on your tires is the only concern. Flat ground it will tow in 6th, slight hills to moderate hills stay in 5th, steep mountains it will probably drop down to 4th at times if you're trying to maintain 65 mph.
Put it in tow haul mode and exhaust brake on, drive prudent for conditions, and most of all enjoy yourself.

 

[SnoKing]

Ring the church bells, all is well!!!

 

[beaverguy]

Your truck will pull that trailer without any problems. I had the exact same truck as yours and pulled a 16,000lb toyhauler. Your air bags will definitely help in the sagging. Check the load rating on your tires is the only concern. Flat ground it will tow in 6th, slight hills to moderate hills stay in 5th, steep mountains it will probably drop down to 4th at times if you're trying to maintain 65 mph.
Put it in tow haul mode and exhaust brake on, drive prudent for conditions, and most of all enjoy yourself.

Thanks a lot pwr2tow. That's the kind of info I was looking for.. From some one that has actually pulled heavy. My tires are new Coopers 10ply (18") I do not plan on driving over 60mph .. I'm retired and have no reason to hurry!!!
Thanks Again,
John (beaverguy)

 

[SnoKing]

And your rear axle weighed????

 

[beaverguy]

And your rear axle weighed????

I'll get the rear axle weighed and let you know. We have crappy weather now. (Snow & rain) When it clears up I'll get it weighed.

 

[RVTRKN]

Beaverguy, you asked us a question if your truck could handle your trailer. The only info you have given us is the trailer weight. Without specifics how can we answer your question. Well I'll try to answer it with my own experiance hauling my heavy 34' Arctic Fox with my 2500 (Look at sig) and still be legal within the axle weights. 5ver was at wet weight with full camping ability, except for no fresh water, with just enough for what was needed for toilet use, GVWR at 15000.

Anyone can give me their thoughts good or bad If I'll have any problems.

 

[EZeis]

So the important number is what was the rear axle weight. You are over the truck 6500 RGAWR by a few hundred pounds. Do you have tires rated to 3640? I do not see where you stated trim level of the truck. Tradesman's still have 17" tires I believe, so if you have those, you are over the tire rating. SnoKing

My August of 2018 tradesman has 18" tires.

Earl

 

[Timd32]

I'm assuming beaverguy isn't responding much is because he doesn't want or care for the way these types of threads go.

Kudos to you beaverguy.

Agree and Disagree, all these posts head this way for sure....

I had no clue what 12V98 was talking about with the 4k comment, so I looked around a figured it out so I learned something from that comment, as it added no real value from the start it will IMO become pretty spot on with the weight slip, so it is what it is there.

I have a lot of time at times if that makes sence other times I have no time for anything, in this case I saw this thread and had a pretty decent answer based on the J2807 sheet for the 2016MY, using his signature info of a Laramie trim and google used trucks. The 3.42 rear helped me in that "guess" for truck, backed out the weight, tried to get a basic tounge weight/pin weight, which answered the 4k? Rule of thumb can use 25% pin for GN/5th, etrailer says 20%, others say 25%, this is where the real info from folks who haul GN/5th would be great,,,,, if they knew it was GN/5th which they still dont.

Here are my notes after I got the additional weights, my wife asked what the hell is all that and I explained it to her, so thats where the descriptions came in at the top.

As much as you will always get the back and forth which is great entertainment value for most of us.

I really should post this as a thumbnail to drive home that point, but will not.

Give some additional info, answer some of the questions you will get accurate info and if its not exactly what you want to hear.

I did a draft of this about 20min after the post was up, no I dont tow heavy, but these are real numbers off the spec sheet for that MY, if you need and know a specific person to respond send them a PM.

And I know he will be fine towing, is it within the limits of the ratings I thought it was going to be close from the start.

 

[jhenderson]

The 18 inch wheels are an option on the tradesman.

 

[EZeis]

Standard on my 18 as per the build sheet, I believe 20" could be optioned. Would have to look at the option list. But my tradesman August of 2018 built truck came with 18" wheels and listed as standard on the build sheet. Which was good cause I didn't want 20" wheels as I didn't want any more bed height. Could be 2500 vs 3500 as mine is a 3500 SRW?? Though as far as I know they come with the same wheels and tire sizes. But my build sheet says 18" standard. My truck has the chrome group optionowhich included chrome clad wheels and they are 18" as well.


Earl

 

[jhenderson]

Check what’s listed under the chrome group package. Mines a 15 3500 srw tradesman and I know the standard wheel was a 17 inch plain steel. I also have the chrome package. You can also check the Ram build and price site. Plain 17 inch still listed last time I looked.

 

[SnoKing]

Agree and Disagree, all these posts head this way for sure....

I had no clue what 12V98 was talking about with the 4k comment, so I looked around a figured it out so I learned something from that comment, as it added no real value from the start it will IMO become pretty spot on with the weight slip, so it is what it is there.

I have a lot of time at times if that makes sence other times I have no time for anything, in this case I saw this thread and had a pretty decent answer based on the J2807 sheet for the 2016MY, using his signature info of a Laramie trim and google used trucks. The 3.42 rear helped me in that "guess" for truck, backed out the weight, tried to get a basic tounge weight/pin weight, which answered the 4k? Rule of thumb can use 25% pin for GN/5th, etrailer says 20%, others say 25%, this is where the real info from folks who haul GN/5th would be great,,,,, if they knew it was GN/5th which they still dont.

Here are my notes after I got the additional weights, my wife asked what the hell is all that and I explained it to her, so thats where the descriptions came in at the top.

As much as you will always get the back and forth which is great entertainment value for most of us.

I really should post this as a thumbnail to drive home that point, but will not.

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Give some additional info, answer some of the questions you will get accurate info and if its not exactly what you want to hear.

I did a draft of this about 20min after the post was up, no I dont tow heavy, but these are real numbers off the spec sheet for that MY, if you need and know a specific person to respond send them a PM.

And I know he will be fine towing, is it within the limits of the ratings I thought it was going to be close from the start.

I think you are low on truck weight, ready to tow with a 5th wheel hitch and "stuff" that one carries. That is the problem when one does not weigh correctly, including dropping the trailer and getting a front and rear TV weight. If one wants to REALLY know what their weights are and not rely on someone towing something similar, they weigh front, rear and trailer axles, then drop the trailer and weigh the TV front and rear.

For comparison my 2015 3500 Laramie SB 4x4 Aisin was 8900 with 3760 on the rear axle ready for full timing. Demco picture frame/B&W manual slide hitch, and both boxes full of "stuff" and without a tail gate.