2016 ccsb empty weight

[tony1461571]

Is the payload the combined weight of people and any cargo.

 

[AH64ID]

Is the payload the combined weight of people and any cargo.

Payload is anything in the rig, so yes people, cargo, cell phone chargers, bed liners, etc...

 

[tony1461571]

Thanks. AH64ID.

 

[dfb]

I am no DOT regulation expert, but I am familiar with OSHA and EPA regulations. When dealing with machinery/equipment (especially with OSHA) "manufacturer's recommendations" is above actual written regulations on the hierarchy of rules scale. I can't help but believe there is something similar within DOT (whether state or federal). But like many have said, likely won't become an issue when exceeded.....until there is an accident.

Like this person driving an old vw bug had 4 of her really fat friends got in a wreck. She got sued for one day of bug sales for 3.5 million!..

 

[dfb]

Megacab is 8900!.... Old dually quad was 8000 .... Oh, when registering I claim 5999 lbs. this is because weight declaration is only for commercial and not private use...

 

[dfb]

My Dually has a GVWR of 14K but it actually weighs 15K when loaded but it's under front/rear axle ratings and also below combined tow at 32,500#.

Some will say I am "overloaded" but the fact is the 14K is just a number because if it was 14,001# it would fall into a different classification causing insurance and licensing financial woes. The F450 with pickup bed is rated at 14K for the same reasons.

1401 means it is medium duty... Some Rams need a Cdl driver....

 

[gsbrockman]

Megacab is 8900!.... Old dually quad was 8000 .... Oh, when registering I claim 5999 lbs. this is because weight declaration is only for commercial and not private use...

The RAM website says your configured truck weighs 8,174 lbs.....5,003 lbs front axle & 3,171 lbs rear axle.

 

[dfb]

Apparently , by adding fuel , a 32 lbs hitch, liner, running boards adds
726 lbs!

 

[gsbrockman]

Apparently , by adding fuel , a 32 lbs hitch, liner, running boards adds
726 lbs!����

Or.......the scales at your local dump S*U*C*K !!!

 

[dfb]

I'm starting to wonder that myself

 

[photowrite]

I changed my GVW today, as when I transferred my old plate to my new truck, old plate was for a GVW of 8800 lbs
so to get it to what the OEM truck 10k GVW was, I had to raise it
was super simple, AAA girl filled out a form and charged me a few bucks to send the paperwork into my DOT, to do the change, and then I will now pay a few bucks a yr more for yearly reg due to higher weight deal
small no big deal.

The forms were to raise the GVWR, not just the registered weight? What state?

Sounds easy, for you, the process is likely/possibly different in other states?

It's easy for me to raise my "declared" and registered weight in Nevada, but the GVWR sticker is another matter, which I've not studied.

 

[dfb]

The forms were to raise the GVWR, not just the registered weight? What state?

Sounds easy, for you, the process is likely/possibly different in other states?

It's easy for me to raise my "declared" and registered weight in Nevada, but the GVWR sticker is another matter, which I've not studied.

I was told here in Nevada to not declare gvwr unless truck is used commercially. It is registered as a car..

 

[photowrite]

Another reason that gvwr is a number that is largely ignored and irrelevant on these trucks. Stick within FAWR/RAWR and have fun.

I agree, particularly for non-commercial uses, one is not only unlikely to have legal troubles they are also unlikely to be 'unsafe'. But of course where one lives and drives can matter, as does the skill of the operator.

Even the (rear) GAWR can be very conservative these days, often the brakes, tires, and the axle itself are safely capable of more weight. However, GVWR and GAWR are as much (if not much MORE) about registration, license, and vehicle class as they are safety.

 

[dfb]

Yes! You know what?? I'm not going to sweat it. Ram said tow rating is 16660 .. Trailer gvwr is 16000 Gcvwr is over 25000. I'll just go by this. No how, no way will I ever hit gvwr of fiver.

 

[photowrite]

I was told here in Nevada to not declare gvwr unless truck is used commercially. It is registered as a car..

Yep, I get that approach, and there is little argument against doing that except for a possible registration ticket because the truck is technically not registered to haul even its own weight, if such a ticket could be written/proved. (Registration laws are largely about taxes and revenue.)

In 1996 I took the opposite approach with my F-350 crew cab, longbed, which had what I thought a very low GVWR of 9,200#. I registered it for 9999 (tax/reg cost are the same here for 8,500-10,000).

That F-350 had a rear GAWR of 6,084#, exactly the capacity of the (then standard) OE 235/85R18E tires. The Ford corporate/Sterling 10.25 was rated for more weight in other applications, but the tires were a natural, safe limit. The same axle in a similar generation dually truck could have a GAWR of 8,250#.

My 2014 2500 has essentially the same rear GAWR, an even 6,000. Yet there is an AAM 11.5" under the truck, the stock 18" tires have much more capacity, 7,280#, and the brakes on the new Ram are much better than the old-school Ford's. I also have aftermarket tires capable of 4,080# each.

It all boils down to what we are comfortable with

 

[photowrite]

One example

I'm pretty familiar with noncommercial driving laws and vehicle codes in Nevada, and often there is more than one law that might apply to a particular situation... after just a few minutes of digging, I found this code, which is the first in this section. Pretty sure an LE officer could cite someone for being overweight using this law, and others. Is it likely, nope. Do I care enough to worry because I'm over GVWR for the truck but well under my GAWR with my popup camper on the back? Nope.

SIZE, WEIGHT AND LOAD

General Restrictions and Exemptions; Permits

NRS 484D.600  Prohibited acts concerning size or weight of vehicle; special permit; emergencies; exceptions.
1.  Except as otherwise provided in this section, a person shall not drive, move, stop or park any vehicle or combination of vehicles, and an owner shall not cause or knowingly permit any vehicle or combination of vehicles to be driven, moved, stopped or parked, on any highway if the vehicle or combination of vehicles exceeds in size or weight or gross loaded weight the maximum limitation specified by law for that size, weight and gross loaded weight unless the person or owner is authorized to drive, move, stop or park the vehicle or combination of vehicles by a special permit issued by the proper public authority.

 

[dfb]

Thank you...it is even In the dmv handbook...the state of Nevada made more on this truck than the manufacturer and dealer combined!

 

[AH64ID]

Yes! You know what?? I'm not going to sweat it. Ram said tow rating is 16660 .. Trailer gvwr is 16000 Gcvwr is over 25000. I'll just go by this. No how, no way will I ever hit gvwr of fiver...better yet, upgrade rims and tires and use the mega cab dually ratings!

That is the maximum estimated tow rating. Which assumes 300lbs of people, 100lbs of options, and hitch weight. It's an advertising number. It is nearly impossible to hit based on many factors.

Ram also states payload and max trailer weight are mutually exclusive.. A comment most skip over.

This is the 3rd thread where you will be told to hit the scales to see if your too heavy on the rear axle. That is a limit, the magical tow number from Ram is not.

Scales are an accurate way to determine if you need to worry or not. Advertising brochures are not.

I'm pretty familiar with noncommercial driving laws and vehicle codes in Nevada, and often there is more than one law that might apply to a particular situation... after just a few minutes of digging, I found this code, which is the first in this section. Pretty sure an LE officer could cite someone for being overweight using this law, and others. Is it likely, nope. Do I care enough to worry because I'm over GVWR for the truck but well under my GAWR with my popup camper on the back? Nope.

I think it would be impossible to get a ticket for mfgr GVWR based on that law. There would have to be an additional statue that makes mfgr GVWR a legally binding number, and I haven't found one and have done a bit of searching. Registration weight is legally binding thou.

If GVWR is that big of a concern then modify your door sticker ratings. It's perfectly legal under Federal Title 49 CFR 567.7. I have one since I exceed mfgr RAWR with my 19.5's. I also raised my GVWR while I was making the new one. I wouldn't have done it for GVWR alone.

 

[dfb]

That is the maximum estimated tow rating. Which assumes 300lbs of people, 100lbs of options, and hitch weight. It's an advertising number. It is nearly impossible to hit based on many factors.

Ram also states payload and max trailer weight are mutually exclusive.. A comment most skip over.

This is the 3rd thread where you will be told to hit the scales to see if your too heavy on the rear axle. That is a limit, the magical tow number from Ram is not.

Scales are an accurate way to determine if you need to worry or not. Advertising brochures are not.



I think it would be impossible to get a ticket for mfgr GVWR based on that law. There would have to be an additional statue that makes mfgr GVWR a legally binding number, and I haven't found one and have done a bit of searching. Registration weight is legally binding thou.

If GVWR is that big of a concern then modify your door sticker ratings. It's perfectly legal under Federal Title 49 CFR 567.7. I have one since I exceed mfgr RAWR with my 19.5's. I also raised my GVWR while I was making the new one. I wouldn't have done it for GVWR alone.

I just don't get it!. When yhe truck is optioned with 69rfe, the tow capacity "increases" the weight of 180 lbs by having yhe lighter trans than the Aisin.. Now, explain this... By adding a heavier bed, axle, 2 more tires, the tow rating increases??? Just added additional weight to the same truck.. Now, if ram says the tow capacity on my truck is 16660 lbs., they know the hitch weight can be 25 percent of trailer weight... If you go over rawr, or gvwr , then the 16660 is a LIE! It's like saying all at once, yes you can tow that, but No you can't tow that...

 

[RVTRKN]

OK I'll bring up an old arguement that will help explain some of what your questioning. Rams GVWR/GCWR are only numbers Ram cares about, for warranty. GAWR's are what DOT cares about. An example is my 2014 with a 10K GVWR, but if you look at the door tag, the front and rear axle GAWR's equal 11K, this is from Ram. The arguement is that, with a higher tire rating, you can legally increase the axle weight ratings, but I disagree with that. Manufacture axle ratings for Trailers/Semis/Pickup trucks, is what DOT will allow. So if your registered and lic. for 30K GCWR, then as long as you don't go over the axle ratings for each axle, you can legally pull it with your Ram rated at Rams 23K GCWR.