Guns, Bows, Shooting Sports, and Hunting 22LR Ammo

[BIGNASTY]

Question??

Subsonic 22LR ammo (1,080 FPS or less)

Standard Velocity 22LR (1,125 FPS)

High velocity 22LR ( 1,300 FPS)

Hyper Velocity 22LR( 1,400+)

All of these being lead slugs are going to wear barrel at aprox. the same rate?

A rife that requires Subsonic ammo, barrel longevity?

I have 22's that have countless rounds of Hyper Velocity ammo thru it and still as accurate as the day I bought them.

Just wondering about a barrel that is a Nitrided steel barrel? using subsonic ammo

Thanks
BIG

 

[Deleted member 995608]

I think my flux capacitor just broke because I have no clue what you're talkin' bout Willis.

 

[GCroyle]

BIG,

Neither the velocity or bullet material have anything to do with wearing out the barrel. Its a proven fact that barrel wear is influenced by the amount of shots taken and the negative hyper reciprocal of the number of misses redundant to the speed of the trigger squeeze and of course you should know if anybody sees the miss, well than that darn barrel is plum kerflotnick and maybe if'n ya reblacken the sights and start collecting the old brass and let Harmon Harmonize some new rim fire rounds it just might get a Pelt 4 Penny and all will be well in Big Sky Country.

Any issues?

Gary

Got my Dad's Stevens 84C Springfield 5 shot bolt 22 downstairs, got a little wear, scratches, his name hand scratched in the but plate, worth its weight in gold to me.

 

[BIGNASTY]

I think my flux capacitor just broke because I have no clue what you're talkin' bout Willis.

Just a different kind of ammo for a different kind of shooting sport that I have become involved in. Its not about killing anything but a target under stressed conditions, like being out of breath and tired from skiing a few miles between shooting skills pretty hard to do I have found out.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biathlon

http://seeleylakenordic.org/Feasibility.aspx?t=uHOCK0ZZZIKDMJ1O+T2R5Q==

Seeley Lake Biathlon

The biathlon sport has its origins in an exercise for Norwegian soldiers, as an alternative training for the military. In 1960 the biathlon became an Olympic Sport and in 1992, women were first allowed to compete. We welcome either those that skate or those that are classic skiers, both men, women, and youth. Men and women have both novice and experienced categories and kids have a single race where any technique works. We use regulation biathlon targets with five circular targets, which change from black to white when hit from a distance of 50 yd. Racers ski a loop, shoot prone, ski a loop, shoot standing, ski a loop. There is a 50yd penalty loop for each missed shot.

BIG,

Neither the velocity or bullet material have anything to do with wearing out the barrel. Its a proven fact that barrel wear is influenced by the amount of shots taken and the negative hyper reciprocal of the number of misses redundant to the speed of the trigger squeeze and of course you should know if anybody sees the miss, well than that darn barrel is plum kerflotnick and maybe if'n ya reblacken the sights and start collecting the old brass and let Harmon Harmonize some new rim fire rounds it just might get a Pelt 4 Penny and all will be well in Big Sky Country.

Any issues?

Gary



Got my Dad's Stevens 84C Springfield 5 shot bolt 22 downstairs, got a little wear, scratches, his name hand scratched in the but plate, worth its weight in gold to me.

Nope!!! No issues here Gary, I was just wondering about the barrel steel if its prone to easy wear or not? To be good at what the rifle is intended for it will take MANY round of practice, cant reload 22 brass as far as I know. This last hunt had more than enough pelts to make a new coat for the Mrs. if she wants one. On your point of barrel wear I think that you might want to readdress that train of thought.

 

[GCroyle]

Gotta have a ponderous pontification of stuff once in a while. Today was .22 day I guess.

Getting a .22 to hit the mark is a great challange, those little rimfires are a blast to work with. The Olympic Biathalon demonstrates a unique twist on learning the craft. Those Biathalon guns are pretty unique.

Years ago I picked up 2 GI throat erosion gages still in the packages for the M1. One of them got traded for services rendered, the sealed one went to benefit a program to help GI's get back on the firing line range with M1's.

 

[BIGNASTY]

Yup!!! get a workout and a bit of shooting at the same time. Not your run of the mill 22 ammo but its a kick in the Britches to play this game, that's what it is to me anyway.

 

[HHhuntitall]

BIG!! A quality .22 rifle barrel will notice no difference in the ammo. All are slow enough they will not cause damage over time.... most damage is done in high velocity, high pressure, rounds, like 22-250 and 338-378. The chamber pressures and temperatures are high enough to flex the metal in the chamber and throat areas, and the heat and movement of gasses behind the bullet being forced into the bore and beginning to spin cause excessive throat erosion. Slow ammo in a .22 is not a problem. Most .22s will take 10-20k rounds accurately. I've only shot out one .22 barrel in my lifetime, and I got that when I was 9yrs old. It took almost 20 years and probably well over 20k rounds, but the lands started disappearing in it... Lack of knowledge and maintainance played a part, as well as poor quality of barrel from Ruger. The type of rifle you're probably looking at will have a much better grade barrel and be assembled better, as well..... In my experience, trying several brands of ammo yields the best accuracy. Also, look for Federal, Ely, and Fiochi ammo, and you'll probably see better results from more consistent rim thicknesses, which is where the headspace is set off a rimfire cartridge.... There are also rimfire gauges available to help you filter through "practice" and "match" ammo.... One type of guage: http://www.sinclairintl.com/reloadi...ols/g-3-rimfire-accuracy-gauge-prod35683.aspx

 

[BIGNASTY]

HH

Thanks for the tip on the gauge thinger-ma-bob, Not being anything much more than just a shooter of guns I had never heard of a Nitrided steel barrel?

The rifle is the Anschutz 182F ( http://www.potfire.com.au/new-ansch...all-bore-.22-rifle-walnut-without-sights.html)
In the book that came with it, it specifically said to use Sub-sonic ammo only, don't know why they have such a WARNING ON IT IN BIG BOLD WORDING!! It could be the barrel I thought because I have no degree in Metallurgy and had no idea of what Nitrided steel IS???

Was also thinking that it could be because of the unique bolt that is on this, I don't know how to explain it, I will try to find a video. Its very smooth and very little movement of your head (Like none) its more of a finger, thumb bolt very fast. Kind of a crappy video but right at the end of it show the person racking the bolt. Watching the first part of the barrel end I was wondering how the person ever hit anything with the amount of movement shown :-laf
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmu19C1h9SA

I have picked up some various ammo for this, everything I could find in the Match Grade ammo, and im running accuracy tests on each now. (when the snow will cooperate)

Like you I have several 22's that I really have no idea how many thousands upon thousands of round have been put thru them but are still a tack driver.

Thanks

BIG

 

[HHhuntitall]

Big,

Not sure why they say to use Sub-sonic only... strange, to me.

Nitriding is basically similar to Case Hardening... I'm sure you've seen that on your older rifles. The process they're using here, though, is more similar to Carbuerizing or Salt Nitrogen purging.... Glock calls it Tennifer coating... It's nitrogen purging the surface, creating a hardened surface that acutally penetrates the surface several thousandths. I'd wager they're suggesting low pressure rounds to prevent heat and stress cracks on the barrel surface.... Hmm.... I'm curious now.....

 

[GHarman]

Hey All, this "most eclectic pontificator"
is ready to "pontificate" (Wife? Did I get any on me?). :-laf

Really and seriously (for a few minutes), more .22 rifles are ruined by improper cleaning, storage and dry firing than being shot.
The pressure developed is insignificant (comparatively speaking), gas temperature/volume far lower and time at temperature duration is further insignificant compared to a .223, for instance. Now this is all subjective, but not far off from reality. Lead bullets will lap a bore to a fine polish, taking many thousands of rounds to do so, if it is not finely polished, already.
The worst case is a lead/carbon ring that can develop just ahead of the throat. Careful removal will restore accuracy. The new bore cleaning chemicals will make short work of that issue, when it crops up. One piece coated cleaning rods are the proper tools. (Plastic brushes made with twisted bronze wire cores.) Some use one piece Stainless steel rods (very carefully), Use a rod guide fore sure! NEVER use an Aluminum cleaning rod. NEVER<NEVER<NEVER use a segmented aluminum cleaning rod. NEVER dry fire a rimfire rifle unless it SPECIFICALLY STATES IN THE INSTRUCTION BOOKLET THAT IT IS DESIGNED FOR DRY FIRE!

In all my reading and some considerable .22 shooting,
This feller forgot more than I ever knew about .22 rim fires! Bill Calfee did some outstanding articles for Precision Shooting Magazine some years ago.
I don't know if they are still around or on the internet, but this Gentleman knows his rim fires. Course he also builds them for Bench Rest competition. Heres a link to one of his books. http://www.amazon.com/The-Rimfire-Accuracy-Bill-Calfee/dp/1456797778

Hope this helps!
GregH

 

[BIGNASTY]

Damn G man I have to stop and look up NEW words every time you post something " pontificator " ??????????????

Well I know Im not one of those :-laf

But thanks for the heads up for the library addition, I will have to hunt that one down

 

[BIGNASTY]

Big,

Not sure why they say to use Sub-sonic only... strange, to me.

Nitriding is basically similar to Case Hardening... I'm sure you've seen that on your older rifles. The process they're using here, though, is more similar to Carbuerizing or Salt Nitrogen purging.... Glock calls it Tennifer coating... It's nitrogen purging the surface, creating a hardened surface that acutally penetrates the surface several thousandths. I'd wager they're suggesting low pressure rounds to prevent heat and stress cracks on the barrel surface.... Hmm.... I'm curious now.....

Thanks HH

I told Greg that I would send out a picture with a bullseye target on it with the shooting of the rifle. Since he asked I haven't had much time to do anything other than dig out essential things from the snow, according to the better half a target stand is Non Essential I have shot it from a bench with rest's, the spotter said that I hit the first one just a tad high but the other 4 rounds must have missed the target!!! told him to look again. His expression said it all one ragged hole at 40 meters :-laf trigger is so sweet, and I would guess that NO BREAK-IN on the barrel is a given

Did pick up the gauge to measure the ammo with. Now just have to figure out how to use it

Went down to the same shop today and picked up a rifle with a Pard, its a hunting version of the Anschutz line 64 MP R Multi Purpose It can load and shoot any 22 LR
http://jga.anschuetz-sport.com/inde...il&PHPSESSID=86605fddee0ea8ba3d73da52573110f1

I asked the gal at the counter for the reason on the Biathlon rifle (she's a girl and don't know anything but paperwork and taking money) Her husband wasn't in so I still don't know why the sub sonic reason.