230 HP Injection Pump

[R.E. Miller]

Do any of you guys run this pump? I have seen it offered on a couple of the performance sites and kind of wondered about it.



My pump on my pick-up seems to act weird at times. Like the AFC thing gets hung up or does not move. Under hard WOT acceleration sometimes inbetween shifts it blows out HUGH amounts of black smoke, enough to block vision on a four lane highway



Translation, I don't know if it's going, and want to investigate before I inherit another expensive doorstop

 

[CRWilliams]

Same thing on my '93, sometimes it smokes and REALLY RUNS, sometimes I can't get it to smoke even a little, the boost is down and the power seems . I have been thinking about buying a new pump and am also interested in the 230 pump. Money,money,money, I also want the Lucas injectors .

 

[Roger rodbolt]

The only 230hp pump that I'm familar with is the P7100 pump used on the '96 to '98 manual trans. Rams. If there is a larger version of the VE pump,

I'd certainly be interested also. Who says there isn't a real Santa Claus

 

[R.E. Miller]

Hey guys,

Go to the link page and look under Jannety Racing and Shied diesel (I know I just butchered their name sorry. ) and even Gomers warehouse. They all carry them, and from what little research I have done, you must also upgrade injectors at the same time and this is not an in-line pump. Good Luck,

Russell

 

[Matt S]

I was going to start this thread when I noticed you beat me to it. I've also heard of this pump. I'm curious that neither Piers or Joe D have any input. Someone has to have this pump. Maybe Keeno?

 

[Shrimpy]

Hey Guys I believe that this is the Marine Pump you are speaking of. Combine it with the correct injectors and you should be pushing upwards of 275 hp. The problem I ran into was that the shop who was going to get me a Marine pump, could not, because Cummins wanted verification of my CPL #. They would not sell it without a confirmation of correct CPL's. Now if you could find someone with a marine engine and did not have to exchange your pump, you may be able to swing it. I was quoted $ 2650. 00 for the pump with a 750. 00 core.



I believe that Janetty's and others are using correct (CPL #'s) pumps so I could be completely wrong. I think Keeno has said that the pump he has fron Janetty's was worked up by Ted's super secret pump guru. Something about 25 - 30% increase in fuel without extra stress on pump aka turn up the full power screw. Again I stand to be corrected if any of the above is incorrect!!!!



This is just my . 02$ of what I remember in conversations and e-mails.

 

[Bob Beauchaine]

I am running one in my '93 (see sig. ). It was built by Wentland Diesel in Milton-Freewater OR and cost me $945 exchange. They installed it and set the timing. I also have a set of BD Power injectors which were installed in May of '98 by the Power Shop. The combination is impressive. You will see smoke if you get on it but overall performance including mileage is better.

Happy Trails

 

[MY6EATSV8'S]

I've found and interesting fellow that has a 375hp ve pump for sale for 2500. It comes to full fuel at around 4300rpm and flows 345cc. It tops out at 4600rpm. With this pump it would be necessary to install 60lb valve springs on all valves, add a fuel pump, and run something like a hx40 or bigger turbo.

just in case someone wants this contact me.

Adam

 

[R.E. Miller]

My6eatsV8's!!

Ha ha ha that set-up would rip my truck in half



Bob,

This sounds stupid, but does the power come on any different? This is a real dumb thing to say, but per my sig, I have two dually 92's and a 91. 5 that my dad flys around in. I can say that they 91. 5 and my pick-up have to really wind-up like floor it to feel the power coming on, but my 1-ton dump has better low-mid range power. I am just spewing here, but my point is that I guess all of thes pumps are different, and does yours really rip a lot more then your old one?



Thanks for your help!

 

[Bob Beauchaine]

R E

The difference between the old and new pump is like night ans day. I put the 14cm Banks turbo on right after I bought the truck and turbo lag all but dissapeared and stayed that way until I put the 230hp pump on. The truck has so much more power that I feel a very slight lag. When you put your foot in it it lags slightly then sets you back in the seat quite nicely.

I still have to dyno it but I am impressed with new verses old. To get the most out of the pump you will need a good set of injectors. Good luck

Happy trails

Bob

 

[KEENO]

JRE Enhanced VE Pump!

Hey Gang!



Both of our First Gen's have identically set up Jannetty Racing Ent. (JRE) Bosch VE Injector Pumps installed & timed to the 1. 35mm spec. These pumps are 30% over Max Fuel & 15% AFC (Can't remember exactly... Check w/ Ted for specifics). Ted has his top secret "Medicine Man" in Maine set the VE's to specs that they both have arrived at through extensive testing. As always... excellent product & service!



I can't make a comparision between a optimized OEM pump and the 30% over because my original pump was toasted & make no power. The other truck (former Frank Simkowski truck) was bought with the pump installed and all of the other goodies already in place. I can tell you that these pumps ROCK! But have no dyno numbers to back the claims...



Check w/ Ted for details: (203)753-7223 www.jannettyracing.com



KEENO

 

[GOODE11]

Freightliner, had the 6bt in the 175-230HP applications in some of its trucks for 91-93. Don't know if its the inline, but more than likely its the old VE.



CPL#'s for these motors are 987,1261,1422 if someone wants to check them out. Found them on the web.



If I'm wrong, someone let me know.

 

[GOODE11]

Hey guys, disreguard my last post. Just talked w/ a pump shop and he said that those motors had the p-pump.



Sorry

 

[R.E. Miller]

My pump went up

Thanks for the input guys! My pump has to be shot now right? I mean, with all of this good info on the 230 job, I had better replace it soon just in case, right... .



KEENO, I am going to end up melting my pistons trying to see if I can run my truck the way you set yours up My pick-up started out as an exhaust system and a possiable 16cm^2 housing change, now I am thinking hmmmm 12cm^2 ain't too small right, and a water injection system is an easy 10 second install...

Happy BOMBing!

 

[KEENO]

Hey R. E. Miller!



No Worries or melted pistons!



My truck started out as a "farm truck" that had been maintained well but w/ no concern for cosmetics. It was a tool w/ no BOMBing... The 'Girls' truck was prestine as delivered from Frank!



Both of our Bosch VE failed in similar manner... Both had 'frozen' or 'sticking' pins. The pin I'm referring to is the small, horizontal pin that rides on the tapered Fuel Rate Delivery Pin under the AFC diaphragm. My truck also had non-consistent performance and no amount of external adjustment made ANY change.



If you're going to replace/rebuild a pump... You might as well go for a performance unit. These pumps are calibrated & "turned up" internally which still leaves some "Power Screw" adjustments for later!



I just sent "MATT S" my spare 12cm2 and he has it installed... Maybe we'll have another convert to the 12 Camp.



KEENO

 

[KEENO]

Even with as much difference as these "Enhanced" Bosch VE pumps make... .



I still have "P" PUMP ENVY!



What's a man to do?



KEENO

 

[R.E. Miller]

Yup!

That in-line pump... . as dumb as this sounds, even looks like it could be more powerful then the VE's. The first Ram/Cummins I got to look at and drive was a 1996 3500 4X4 dually... . loved it But I never forgot that sweet, built for business looking injection pump that it had.



Oh yeah, when I got my one ton dump, it had the classic head gasket leak around the thermostat housing, I thought that the engine might be shot. I actually seriously considered going out to http://www.adelmans.com/ and picking up a 275Hp B-series with the in-line pump on it... but Cummins Power Systems fixed the problem



Keeno,

Have you been reading the stuff about the KwikKurt turbos? Between these and the Piers Hx-35 I donno he he he.

 

[Matt S]

Anyone try to see what Marine applications used the Ve-44 pumps? That may be an option for more power. I seem to remember the way Power Wagon explained pump operations is that the 'power screw' increases the duration of fuel not the pressure and thus black smoke from unburned fuel. If we could find a pump that has more pressure then that would be more power with less smoke and EGT's. Anyone have a source that could help with a search?

 

[TStClair]

The 230hp version of the 5. 9 was used in motorhomes starting in 1993. It is the highest hp version with the rotary pump, according to Cummins. I think it had 575 lb ft of torque. It also had a different cam and injectors.



The same hp rating remained in 1994, 1995, and 1996, so had to have been the inline pump in subsequent years.



Tom

 

[Matt S]

Tom,

Great. Good info. Now, was that the highest power from an on-road application or all applications (to include Marine and off-road).





My6,

That pump sounds interesting. I just don't see my engine turning much over 3300 RPM. How does he know it is a 375 hp version of the pump? Also, I'm not sure what the amount of fuel it flows is telling us.