2nd Gen (98-02) Smarty features wants/wishes

[Boondocker]

I'm still paitiently waiting for the 'promised' 2nd gen Smarty updates as well.

I must have missed the post where someone promised 2nd gen updates

I believe this thread is a mere wishlist, no promises implied.

 

[16919]

It was said on here that 2nd gen updates WERE coming. I guess not and no idea as to when..... this thread is supposed to be used as a reference for the things that we want or would like to change and then serve as a sheet for marco to see what is possible

 

[Nate]

I'd like to see a fix for the surge issue while using cruise control. It's a bit disappointing when we were told updates where on the way a while back, but still no news.

 

[BILLVO]

Fishin Guide has a thread on the second gen no engine trans forum on a new program from Marco he is testing for some of these issues. He hasn't posted his results of the tests yet though. I will post a link to that thread.



https://www.turbodieselregister.com.../182141-final-review-smarty-2nd-gen-auto.html

 

[DCreed]

i got mine with the assumption the usb port had a use!! havent used it yet!

 

[PRout]

I really would like to have a setting that is very mild at low throttle settings but comes on after 1/2 throttle.

For example:

0 - 1/4 throttle = Slightly milder fueling than stock (with stock timing to mellow out big injectors)

1/4 - 1/2 throttle = Same as SW#1 (Aggressive timing for fuel mileage)
1/2 - WOT = Same as #5 (Timing as #5 for pulling heavy with full WOT power available)

After playing with Smarty its a great box, but I've compromised back to stock software for the mellow idle and mild throttle settings. The compromise here is you lose the ABS/speedometer correction with stock software. Probably also boost fooling if i remember correctly.

SW#5 from 1/2 throttle & up is very smooth and has lots of power, but its still more touchy than I like off the bottom for everyday driving.

Also, SW#1 causes alot of timing hammer at idle, but actually runs quite well.

So, a combination of the 3 sw's strong points is what I would like to have the option to try out.

I would like to see it replace SW#1 and keep #0 as the anti-theft motor kill setting. Have used that a few times already while out on trips. It gives peace of mind. Thumbs up for Smarty!

Are some of these requests do-able? There are going to be some more options available for us 2nd genners right?

 

[PRout]

Would like to have a setting that gives stock fueling with 50% timing increase and thats all.

A download package something like this:

0 - Dead Truck - anti theft
1 - Fuel Mileage
2 - Stock with 1/2 added timing
3 - Stock w normal added timing
4 - Stock w timing & fueling
5 - The settings in post #66 above:
. 0-1/4 throttle = Slightly milder fueling than stock with stock timing
. 1/4-1/2 throttle = Same as original SW#1 (Aggressive timing for fuel mileage)
. 1/2-WOT = Same as original SW#5 (Timing as original SW#5 for pulling heavy with full WOT power available)
6 - Same as original SW4 (mild catcher - no timing)
7 - Same as original SW5 (mild catcher - timing)
8 - Full Competition (no timing) (full fueling - no rev limiter) as requested in the requests above
9 - Full Competition (added timing) (full fueling - no rev limiter) as requested in the requests above

Any chance of these requests happening??

 

[AHire]

i got mine with the assumption the usb port had a use!! havent used it yet!

x2

 

[JCutter]

Ive used my usb port once and it helped out some.



If you want to use cruise back it down to level 3 or 5 and try it. I still use mine. Might need bigger sticks too:-laf



Cutter

 

[16919]

i got mine with the assumption the usb port had a use!!





I guess its just there for peace of mind. Wonder if we will get updates other than for the auto problem??????

 

[Nate]

I think us 2nd gens guys have been forgotten about. Now I know what the 1st gen guys feel like :-laf

 

[Cummins724]

I think us 2nd gens guys have been forgotten about. Now I know what the 1st gen guys feel like :-laf

What if Marco is secretly working on the 2nd gen Smarty & wants to surprise us with some awesome tunes!

 

[cgoder]

No chance of that.

 

[16919]

I think us 2nd gens guys have been forgotten about. Now I know what the 1st gen guys feel like :-laf

Well said!!!!!!!!!

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

After playing with Smarty its a great box, but I've compromised back to stock software for the mellow idle and mild throttle settings. The compromise here is you lose the ABS/speedometer correction with stock software. Probably also boost fooling if i remember correctly.

YUP - I'm with you!



As to development and availability of refined or upgraded programming for our "older" trucks, I suspect priorities related to research and development of the newer stuff (typical!) sorta gets us lost in the shuffle - better to work at and provide a marketable/profitable product for future customers, than expend time and $$$ for customers whose $$$ you already have! (putting it bluntly! )



My personal choice for refining my Smarty would be:



1. The ability to return to stock programming WITHOUT losing ABS settings.



2. Somewhat less aggressive fuel flow programming levels that allows for users with larger injectors to drive around town without vast billows of smoke unless they tiptoe into the throttle - perhaps 3 levels, such as for 75 HP sticks, 100, and 150's - the guys with injectors larger than those probably don't much care about excessive smoke... :-laf



As it is, I too have returned my Smarty to stock SW, because of the smoke issue - and really am disappointed that I must also lose correction for my larger tires as a penalty for that. I already have a tool for reading and erasing error codes, so the Smarty loses that plus in my case as well, and I'm seriously considering selling my Smarty and returning to use of the Comp alone - but will wait a bit to see if anything at all is produced for us as the result of this thread...



NONE of the above is intended as a dig at Marco or his product - just an observation on how development and distribution of products like the Smarty usually goes - Edge, TST and others undoubtedly operate much the same way - fix obvious product defects - but once the initial product is out the door, move on to the next one and new customers...

 

[Fishin Guide]

I have been patiently waiting like most of you guys for fixes.



I did recieve a test program that I have run and do like. It's similar to SW#3. I have no idea what the peak power of this new program is, but it is not enough to get the turbos spooled until deep in the throttle.



In a perfect world, I would like to see driveability similar to the Edge EZ in a downloader. This is due to the fact I have big sticks, twins, tight convertor and 285 tires.



My cruise is useless with any of the programs in place. This is of course due to the extra touchy pedal on the bottom and the big sticks, ect, ect. Honestly, I am looking at going back to the Edge products for the superior driveability with the built auto. Not to mention the shifting issues caused by the overly touchy throttle and the very low trans pressures associated with the throttle in the idle position makign half throttle power. It can't be good for the trans.



The anti theft feature works great, so I still use it for those days I am on the water and won't see my truck for 12 hours. Other than that, it's a very expensive code reader.



I have sent my results to Marco 3 times, with absolutely no acknowledgement or response. I have not even begun to address the issue of the OD shift falling on it's face. The Edge products don't do that.



So, there is absolutely no answer IF anything is gonna change anytime soon. It;s too bad. I bought this thinking I would continue to get the same service as always out of Bob W, but I realize, he does not write the programming. He just sells the product.



I guess there's always the Stocky program! YouTube - Stocky (the lost files)



So, what would I like to see? Like said above, less tip in fueling with the timing. Boost and throttle position referenced powering. ABS funtion while in "stock" mode. Make the entire pedal travel useful. Not just the first 5/8. Get rid of the OD shift falling on it's face. And, fix that annoying cruise surge!!



I had been told by someone close to the Smarty camp that NO updates would be coming for 2nd gens. The emphasis is on new product production and trying to fix the issues in those products. I was also told the program sent to me was to take the wind out of my sails about the issues with 2nd gens. As you can see, I am at a loss for words.



Dave

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

WELL, again, the Smarty in it's current programming provides pretty much EVERYTHING it was advertised to. It's only as we became familiar with it and some of it's "personality issues" when combined with other mods like larger injectors that a few of it's potential downsides became evident and undesirable - at least for a few of us! #@$%!



While some of might have thought and hoped the list of available programming mods and improvements would be relatively endless - well, that probably is unrealistic. It costs lotsa $$$ to continue changing and adding new refined programming - undoubtedly much like starting all over again in some cases - then there is the required and lengthy road testing all over again to "prove" the enhanced programming.



AND, while that costly effort on Marco's part would undoubtedly generate a few happier users, it would provide precious LITTLE added $$$ to his bottom line! About the only potential upside to potential Smarty customers, is that IF Marco chooses to "go the second mile" for us 2nd generation customers - he will likely do the same for customers buying his later products.



Edge offers an upgraded version of the Comp - the "Drag Comp" - and doesn't blush at expecting about $125 for what is actually a pretty minimal upgrade. If push comes to shove - and we 2nd generation Smarty owners really expect more from our units than what's currently available, it might come down to dumping the Smarty for something we like better - or else PAY for programming enhancements we may not get otherwise...

 

[Fishin Guide]

One note Gary.



On my dad's bone stock truck, it works much better than on mine. With his slushy stock drivetrain and no power enhancements, it's just fine.



He does get the cruise surge slightly on levels 7 and 9 when towing. But, he can't hardly tell the thing is in the truck.



So, you are right. We add up all these mods and sometimes they don't play well together. I feel that many things that go un noticed by most people are truly aggravating for those of us that are a bit more picky.



One interesting thing to note on my dad's truck. Lockup speed increased from 36 mph to 40mph with no other mods other than the Smarty. This confirms the touchier pedal syndrone has an effect on lockup speed.



Dave

 

[Fishin Guide]

WELL, again, the Smarty in it's current costs lotsa $$$ to continue changing and adding new refined programming - undoubtedly much like starting all over again in some cases - then there is the required and lengthy road testing all over again to "prove" the enhanced programming.



AND, while that costly effort on Marco's part would undoubtedly generate a few happier users, it would provide precious LITTLE added $$$ to his bottom line! About the only potential upside to potential Smarty customers, is that IF Marco chooses to "go the second mile" for us 2nd generation customers - he will likely do the same for customers buying his later products.



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The kicker is, this is the premise used to market the product. The availability to refine and make better something at will. I am not looking for a program for me, but for anyone that has the same issues. In my mind, it needs to benefit the many users as well as the few.



Dave

 

[16919]

For me I really have no complaints about the current programs that I have. Like I have said I want a comp only program and then see if we can add some features... cruise adjusted high idle (for ecm guys) and or change/ have a selectable temp for high idle as well as keep smarty features with a stock type sw.