Engine/Transmission (1994 - 1998) #4 Plate

[jpearson]

Does anyone know what a #4 plate is rated at?

 

[illflem]

Depends on which engine you put it in, oops, #4 isn't on here



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[Ben Rumson]

I like it !

I had my #4 in for a few weeks (took it out because of too much smoke and no time to "tweak" it). BUT... while it was in I loved it! Total throttle control via your foot rather than you giving it fuel only to have the stock plate "secretly" over ride you.



Wicked fast too !!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Forrest]

Found it!



http://216.235.147.117/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=41088





By the way, that #4 in a 215 pump is an animal.

 

[JohnE]

I read the #4 was developed for automatic and governor spring kit (GSK) applications.

The current rage is a #10 plate with GSK to keep the the EGTs in check. <em>A #10? That's what Banks uses. Say it isn't so..... </em>



Forrest

You run a rack stop (#0) plate and tow. How much exercise does your right foot get to keep the EGTs in check?





My accessories include a #4 plate fully back. The EGTs are horrible in the 3,200+ rpm range just hot rodding.

I also have limited smoke. The big secret with the steep fueling plates is to use the Aneroid (AFC) for fuel control.

 

[illflem]

The current rage is a #10 plate with GSK to keep the the EGTs in check. <em>A #10? That's what Banks uses. Say it isn't so..... </em>

It really cracks me up how people have knocked Banks here for so long (not picking you out John!) when it turns out that their mods are the best thing going for our trucks even if they are purchased separately elsewhere for more money. I've watched over and over where I guy adds a plate and his egts shoot up, members recommend a larger turbo, still doesn't work, larger exhaust. They end up with exactly what Banks offers the hard way and most often it costs more. Banks kits will jack up your power without tearing your drivetrain up nor making a smoke cloud.



History of Banks bashing on this site - before vendors were required to identify themselves a few started knocking down Banks with only one motive - to sell their own product. Following like sheep many others started repeating their words when they had absolutely no experience with Banks. and so it continues... over 100,000 Banks kits on Cummins alone, must be a lot of disappointed people out there.

 

[drawson]

John I tow with my #0 in place and really like it. It does take more control than a #10 or #11 would take but at all RPMs levels once boost id up ( AFC backed away) your foot is the control. On my #10 and #11 plate you would put the peddle to the metal and when the rocker came in to the grove there was a massive burst of power and you would have to back out. With the #0 plate I find that I don't go to the floor as much as I used to. But when you do:--)

 

[JohnE]

Filling in the rest of you.

The remark about Banks was meant as a jest. Bill and I recently conversed on the positive aspects of Banks products.

Something you will find about Banks is you usually don't get the massive hp (high EGT) numbers, but simply products that will give good towing results with a fire and forget approach. I think the <em>Stinger</em> missile is a f&f.



Drawson;

Thanks for the reply on the #0 plate. Confirms my thought that it is too much for most folks. Too much temptation, that is.....



-John

 

[Reb.B]

illflem, . . u're just plain wrong this time, lol. if u buy a plate from TST, and a housing and a 4" exhaust its way cheaper to go with somebody else. The banks plate are old TST plates. They didn't even keep up with the changes, and they sell the same plate for the 160,175,180, and 215 pump. U pay more and get less. Sorry, but thats the way it is.

 

[illflem]

Reb. B as what most folks typically do you left out gauges, a free flowing airfilter and most likely a stainless exhaust system. Banks makes their own plates and only used TST plates for a couple years. Do the math again, it will be cheaper and engineered as one system that fits without moving exhaust hangers.

 

[Rammin On]

I fooled around with banks stuff years ago ... Banks is a good product for those that just want a package power increase ... for those of us who like to fiddle around IMHO banks is way overpriced ...

 

[Reb.B]

alright Bill, it came closer than i thought. The stinger plus was $1,540 from Banks. thats plate, cat back exhaust, exhaust housing, filter, gauges.

A typical TDR member would buy a TST plate (new technology and more fuel at correct times) 225, ex. housing i guess, but don't really need it around 400, K&N or afe filter, $90, gauges (boost and egt, and pillar mount 54, 40 and 120) $210, and a full exhaust, not just cat back $400, that all comes to 1325. Like i said take off the exhaust housing, install a boost elbow which banks does not give and u are $925. And these prices are middle of the road and most TDR guys shop around and get better prices.

 

[illflem]

Good job Reb. Is your Banks price recent? I haven't checked for quite some time but know that the price of their 4" stainless exhaust system when purchased separately has dropped about $300-$400 in the last couple of months. Seems like the reduction would be passed on in the kits. Banks doesn't use a boost elbow, their included wastegate takes care of that.

 

[Reb.B]

i called this morning on the prices, . . they were from banks themselves, . . i'm sure one of there dealers may be able to sell at a little better price. The actuators that i have seen don't put out enough boost pressure and cause the egt's to go up. They have been set at 22-24. I like to have boost at 30-34 on semi stock, (Plated) trucks. Thats my personnaly prefference. On more horsepower applications, bigger turbos and more boost is needed, but thats a whole different discussion. Also the exhaust around here doesn't need to be stainless, ... aluminized works just fine, . . but that may be different where u are at. Also the aluminized exhaust kits that u buy from most places offer a lifetime guarentee, so thats a great deal, in my opinion.

There's really a time and place for everything. For some one who doesn't know what they are doing and just doesn;t want to research how to make HP then Banks is the way to go, and they have proffitted on it, Big time, lol. But for some one who is confident and enjoys learning about what makes their truck move out, then other after market companies are better for the price.

 

[Kernel]

TST #11 plate full forward... . $225.



aFe Mega Cannon kit... . $249.



Boost, pyro, and a-pillar mount... . $190.



Watching the boost instantly go to 30psi with a 20 foot stream of smoke.....



PRICELESS .



Scott

 

[ronco]

I emailed TST about the #4 plate

and it's power rating. I also asked about there injectors and delivery valves. That was last week and I haven't gotten an answer yet. I will keep you up to date when I find out.



Ronco

 

[Forrest]

What drawson said John.



And that's the way you want it. You just regulate with your right foot. If you're not towing & you just want to break the tires free, or run away from someone, simply push farther.



I found the additional low end fueling of the 0 plate & the #4 makes for getting the total towing weight up to speed faster.



The downside is not EGT, it's leaving a stoplight quickly & trying to hold traction. Sometimes you don't have time to put it in 4WD, or if you've got 2WD, you have to be careful NOT to do WOT or else wheelspin & the other guy get's away.

 

[Ben Rumson]

Originally posted by Forrest

What drawson said John.



And that's the way you want it. You just regulate with your right foot. If you're not towing & you just want to break the tires free, or run away from someone, simply push farther.



I found the additional low end fueling of the 0 plate & the #4 makes for getting the total towing weight up to speed faster.



The downside is not EGT, it's leaving a stoplight quickly & trying to hold traction. Sometimes you don't have time to put it in 4WD, or if you've got 2WD, you have to be careful NOT to do WOT or else wheelspin & the other guy get's away.

TRUE !

 

[nfox]

Camplate

What will work better in a 215 pump, a #4 or #10?

 

[Forrest]

#4 ... hands down. When you put them side by side, you can see that the #4 allows far more rack travel & doesn't de-fuel as the rpm goes up.



The #10 is cut 'concave' as where the #4 is more flat with a deep gouge at the low end. The deepest cut of the #10 isn't even to the vertical! The #8 fuels more than the #10, but at the top end. I used the #8 & it's a 'hold on for dear life' plate at higher rpm.