Engine/Transmission (1998.5 - 2002) 47RE Transmission problems

[klaybus]

A friend of mine at work has a 99 QC CTD with the 47RE transmission thats been giving him problems.



Here are the symptoms:



(1) Slams into reverse after hesitation. Used to be when cold, but now does it most of the time.

(2) When cold it won't shift from 2-3 while in drive unless he lets off the pedal & then eases back into the throttle or manually shifts from 2nd to third.

(3) Transmission shifting problem is somewhat intermittent. More often than not.



Thanks, Clay

 

[sag2]

Could be a bunch of stuff. How is the fluid? Burned?

Might be line pressure or governor pressure. Can't remember if 99 has PCM controlled pressure regulation.

 

[inarush76]

reverse/third problems

Your friend may be suffering the direct clutch lip seal syndrome. Causes an internal leak that can cause no/delayed direct clutch apply which affects 3rd and reverse. A call and trip to DTT will likely fix him right up. Give Bill a call at 1-866-504-4002. Your friend will have less ,or , and more .

Hope this helps.



James Northum

 

[Dodge-Tech]

Exactly as stated above, it's time for the trans to come out and be overhauled-hopefully with some DTT parts.

 

[pwr2tow]

Here's some vendors that you might feel will offer better products.



Just point and click:



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www.piersdiesel.com

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www.performancediesel.net

www.tstproducts.com

www.diablosport.com

www.bullydog.com

www.dieselpage.com

www.autowurksdiesel.com

www.dieselinnovations.com

www.omnicast.net

www.westerndiesel.com

www.dieselsite.com

www.performancecargraphics.com



Have fun

Ron

 

[pro99]

SLIP , HARSH REVERSE, NO 3RD AT TIMES

Being a heavy mechanic it is time to pull it. The main cause is the front clutch inner drum seal has shrunk to the drum and needs to be replaced. Hope the wife says yes with all the upgrades that are out for this trans.

 

[radar doctor]

transmission cost

what would a rebuilt cost approx??

 

[pro99]

COST ?

The cost depends on allot of things, dlr charge is around $1700 to $2000 with using there parts. If do it yourselfer then you could get a dtt t/c for $1000 and a master o/h kit from 250 to 300 billet piston and performance parts. It helps to do it yourself if you know how. It’s hard to tell you to take it to a dlr knowing that you’re going to get hit hard when it comes to a rebuild. If I was not a tech and didn't do this for a living I would buy the performance parts and have a good recommended trans shop do it. The concern with the no 3rd and reverse has been around for the longest time and we told them what to do to fix it but you know how they can be

 

[pwr2tow]

Proturbo,

You tell everyone that reads this thread that a rebuild by himself is only going to cost him $1,300. 00 A new TC and valve body maybe, but not a complete rebuild.



You being a HEAVY MECHANIC FOR A DEALERSHIP of all people should know that he will need a new valve body (more money) and then he has to address the slipping clutch packs (more money) and then maybe the drums (more money) need attention. Once your inside the transmission is the only way to know for sure what the cost is going to be.



I'll agree that after market parts are better than OEM parts, in this application.



Sometimes when brand loyal people give information their so caught up in trying to get someone to use the product they are useing or want someone to use, that they forget to tell you everything.



Ron

 

[pro99]

47RE

Yes i can tell people that do it yourselves it can be done because i do it at home all the time . Why a valve body? Not every time you o/h a trans you need a valve body!! Not every time you o/h a trans it needs drums replaced!! And a master o/h kit from sun coast, tst is around $300, the t/c is $1000 + the transgo valve body kit $70. 00 + fluid $30. 00. I did it to mine for under $1500 and yes it got all the good parts, but didn't need a valve body or front pump or drums replaced . For what the concern that this post is for I bet my life that it needs some clutches replaced a band and an o/h seal package put in!! I been doing this to long to have someone tell me that everything needs to be replaced, t/c, valve body, all clutches, seals, front pump I can’t see it. Now on the other hand yea it would be nice to replace all the parts but does not need to be done all the time!!:-{}

 

[pwr2tow]

proturbo,

I figured I would get your goat on that last post!!!



If your going to do a rebuild why not do it right the first time with new parts? If you put in an aftermarket TC and parts but do not put in a modified valve body then what good did that expensive aftermarket TC do you, you could have just went with an OEM TC for alot cheaper. Sure your going to get better fluid coupleing with a aftermarket TC but you will not get the full benefit of it without a modified valve body.



I did not say every thing needed to be replaced. I said, Once your inside the transmission is the only way to know for sure what the cost is going to be. If the transmission needs to be rebuilt because of slippage and damaged parts then almost 100% of the time the rest of the transmission has been contaminated with debrie and I sure would not want the same valve body put back in without at least over hauling it too.



Ron

 

[pro99]

RE 47RE

Yes you got me because I wonder if you’re a tech or customer ?



That why I said to get the transgo valve body kit!! And if you’re a do it yourself kind of guy then you pull the valve body apart and clean it!! I have with other techs pulled sun coast valve bodies apart and bully dogs and they are really no different from a transgo kit put in with different hole in certain areas. You are right you don’t know how much it’s going to cost till you pull apart if you are an inexperienced person!! You sound like someone that had his or her trans built by someone or bought one?? If you don’t know how to clean and inspect then stay out. If you never built a trans and don’t the tricks then stay out of it. I work in Michigan were we have tons of snow plow truck and off roading and it is very slim to see one come in and need a pump, valve body put in. :-{}

 

[pwr2tow]

I'am just a customer and yes I have had the transmission replaced and yes I have had other transmissions worked on by verious vendors, technicions, so called mechanics and I have two years of tech schooling twenty five years ago. By no means do I claim to know anything about mechanical things other than common sence. I do know it is going to take more than $1,300. 00 to rebuild a transmission as you stated in your second post, I'am saying rebuild (as was asked by someone) with aftermarket parts not just change the TC and put in a transgo kit.



Obviously we are talking about two different things, You just changeing parts and me doing a rebuild for longivity.



This debateing is silly and nonesence. If you take what you stated in your original post and add to it what I posted then people will have something closer to a complete package.



Ron

 

[pro99]

NO IT WILL NOT

YOU ARE RIGHT YOU ARE A CUSTOMER THAT IS IT!!!

 

[pwr2tow]

No need to shout at me.



A customer that doesn't like to see other customers get misinformation.



Rebuild verses changeing a few parts, Your getting upset over two different things. :{



Ron

 

[pro99]

47re

Well don't tell how much it cost then. I rebuild them not you. I also worked for an independent shop so I know how much they charge too. I didn't misinform anyone prove me wrong then!!!!



I don't just change parts either I fix them





Bring me a trans and I can rebuild it for that much!!!! :--)



Now don't get mad now:{

 

[pwr2tow]

rebuild verses changeing TC and transgo kit. Big difference.



I never did tell you what I do for a liveing or how much research I have done. You know what they say about someone who assumes. :-laf :-laf



Ron

 

[pro99]

lost

You are one lost person. :{ :{ :{

 

[LSMITH]

Ron, ALL of the soft parts in a transmission (clutches bands etc) cost less than $300. Yeah I wrote it right, and did not miss a zero. You CAN rebuild it top to bottom and front to back for less than $500 EASILY if no hard parts are damaged and have it back to AS NEW including fluid!!! Proturbo is right, add a grand for a good TC and you are off to the races.



The super dee duper VBs from the aftermarket companies are no more than stock vb's with that particular company's shift kit, plus or minus a few mods to the vb that they prefer. The transgo kit IS the basis for more than one highly respected transmission builders' VB.



NO ONE makes a VB other than the supplier for Dodge, all others modify them to suit what they want. Why did you think they wanted yours for a core?



Very seldom do all of the clutch packs need to be replaced. Say you have a transmission with 100K on it. Say that when inspected the direct clutches (just for example) are within . 005" (quite normal BTW) of new thickness, no glazing or irregular wear. Say a new pack will cost you $50. Would you put in new ones that may or may not be as good and spend the $50 or put in the old ones that are in perfect working order and you know will hold up saving the $50?



Auto transmissions seem to invoke thoughts of mystical talents needed to work on them, and PFM being the primary means of operation of a good transmission. They are SIMPLE, and parts are CHEAP. Most guys are scared of them which makes a good transmission builder a nice living. Once the few little tricks are known for making one live any competent mechanic should be able to go through one and have it work as good as can be. If it does not work you can do it several times (called education, either you pay for it or get someone else to pay for it) and still be way cheaper than the super duper slick shifter that costs $4K.



It ain't rocket science, take a look at the guys building trannies that work fine in your area. I am sure you have a couple shops that can actually build a transmission near you. Then come back and tell me it is so hard.

 

[pro99]

THANK YOU

THANK YOU LSMITH ,



I told them that they could do it FOR that price if they did it them self. Now on the other hand if someone from a shop or dlr did then yes it would cost more because of labor!! Allot of people get caught up in that they had one done for $2,000 that’s what they think all should cost not true. If you have never rebuild a trans yourself then how can you say what it should cost? Like in this case!! He has his done and now he knows it all ----- as how much it cost.





Thank you LSMITH