Engine/Transmission (1998.5 - 2002) 500-600hp with Marco's MAD ECM?

[Gary - K7GLD]

"I've already built a 600hp twin turbo daily driver that I towed with for 150k miles. "



Actually, *I* would be more curious as to what the REST of the drivetrain needs for actual daily use at that power level - that's quite a bit of power for the stock transmission and differential. As far as the ABILITY to generate that HP level with a CATCHER or similar electronic enhancement, it should be do-able with pretty standard tried and proven components - actual blueprints for those having done it in a *work truck* application might be harder to come by...



" Didn't mean to stir up an arguement. "



Don't give it a second thought - there are a few here who will go instantly ballistic if the slightest comment, question or comparison is made regarding the CATCHER that they consider durogatory. I personally consider it a GREAT and worthwile product, but will still ask questions and make comments as situations arise - and then simply consider the source of those who lose control in their replies...

 

[Marco]

Don't give it a second thought - there are a few here who will go instantly ballistic if the slightest comment, question or comparison is made regarding the CATCHER that they consider durogatory. I personally consider it a GREAT and worthwile product, but will still ask questions and make comments as situations arise - and then simply consider the source of those who lose control in their replies...

My dear friend,

as usually you dish out your ( censored by myself )stuff but then you can't take it when someone responds.



Marco

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

"My dear friend,

as usually you dish out your ( censored by myself )stuff but then you can't take it when someone responds. "



Why Marco my "dear friend", in response to your question further above, and this last friendly post of yours, I offer 4 comments:



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Just my opinion!



If I actually took your insults and personal comments seriously, I *might* get irritated - but fact is, I have long since considered your posts aimed at me as more entertaining and humorous than anything to even BEGIN to get upset over...



Party on, dude! :-laf :-laf

 

[BigDan]

This thread sucks now.

Gary we have all hear what you have to say, the good and the bad, but its getting old. Why don’t you just start your own topic and post all of you views and beliefs on Marco's product there, instead of littering every single topic with your opinion that contains a question or info about Marco's Catcher. Seriously,,, do you do a search every morning to see if someone somewhere posted about the catcher, and then jump all over that post?????

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

"do you do a search every morning to see if someone somewhere posted about the catcher, and then jump all over that post"



Dan, take a few DEEP breathes, and with an open mind re-read what consistently happens in these CATCHER threads, and you just MIGHT see that it's more like Marco watches for MY occasional comments, and then responds aggressively and abusively - often totally ignoring other posters who have made comments similar to my own. A typical case of irrational stalking and obsession.



I have openly commented upon the excellence of Marco's product, as well as his genius in developing it - I've made concentrated effort to be fair and impartial, and to AVOID responding to personal attack, UNTIL it gets over the top and too personally abusive to ignore.



I'm genuinely sorry Marco sees fit to resent me and my comments so severely - or you and those like you for that matter - I'd far rather be viewed by Marco as a friend than an opponent, but certainly cannot force that choice upon him. I very much detest abuse and confrontation - but ALSO detest and resist the would-be attempts of others to muzzle me or limit and control my opinions.



Boards like this are MORE than simply "cheering sections" for selected individuals or products, they CAN be of great service to experienced as well is new and INexperienced wanderers thru these sites, IF reasonable, uncensored and focused discussion is allowed and encouraged.



Using THIS thread as an example, it's pretty easy for a new member or truck owner to get the impression from the thread topic or selected posts, that there is something unusual or unique about the CATCHER that limits or somehow enhances the ability of other power mods to incrementally increase power as is typical for other similar products, such as the EZ.



As another poster above pointed out, the 600 HP level is obtainable without ANY box at all - so why would or should it be assumed the same is not capable with the CATCHER?



Far more CONSTRUCTIVE information CAN flow from these threads, IF the personal attacks and insults are left on the other side of the keyboard, and we all stick to issues rather than individuals.



*I* can do that, I wonder if Marco and a few others can?



IF not, how about doing the courteous thing as far as other members are concerned, and attack and insult me privately via Email or PM?

 

[Pmaloney]

I also have to say that I am tired of seeing GARY-K7GLD on any post relating to the Catcher ECM's. I dont own a Catcher and if I remember correctly, neither do you Gary. I have read a TON of great reviews on it, when I have the $$$$ I will most certainly buy one. Is that your problem Gary, you just cant man up and buy it?? Is that why you are so critical about the Catcher? Come on get a life and forget about it then. Let the people that love their Catcher be, Marco has done some amazing things and has been able to alter the ECM parameters to benefit all. Get over yourself. Off my soapbox now, I'm just a lowly mechanic with 130 something posts not some keyboard happy 5000 somehing post guy... ... :-{}

 

[Marco]

My dear friend Gary

Far more CONSTRUCTIVE information CAN flow from these threads, IF the personal attacks and insults are left on the other side of the keyboard, and we all stick to issues rather than individuals.

Constructive information? Yours or MINE?

Now,see, your points of view are often laied down in a way that CAN hit the hot button of a person quite easily. Yet, you complain when you get a "hot" reply. Poor victim. Well, you're your own victim.



Constructive information? When was it the last time you've provided some constructive information in a thread related to the CaTCHER???



Let's not wade through all the stuff, just this thread.



The question is : " 500-600hp with Marco's MAD ECM?".



My answer to that question is/was.

Has it been done with the CaTCHER? Yes.



Can it be done without the CaTCHER? Sure a lot of trucks are @ that Hp level without the CaTCHER. Yet read again the original question for this thread. Anything added here about trucks without a CaTCHER and their power levels are a little off topic.



Your reply was "YUP - Time for another "reality check", as unpopular as it is to some, it's gonna take LOT$ more than a fancy ECM to get you anywhere *NEAR* 600 HP... "



Is that reply in any way related to the question "500-600hp with Marco's MAD ECM?" I can't see it. If anything that MSG is there to stir the pot...



FANCY? Hey dude the CaTCHER comes straight from my personal way to interpret the way a truck should perform. Call my CaTCHER fancy, call ME fancy... Sure I don't like it. Oh, yeah, how do you know if the CaTCHER is fancy, you don't own one, you've never driven a truck with it. How have you been able to build your opinion???



Besides the fact that if we read a little further through your MSG, we read : "... Here it comes... :-{} :-{} "



Well if that's what you want, you can have it anytime, but I don't think that is what the TDR is about and if that would be Constructive information.



Marco

 

[Luke Warmwater]

Greetings,

I have considered having my Comp flashed with the Drag Comp flash but do not like the fact it only fuels to 3200 on 5x5 only. My truck on 5x5 makes a fair amount of smoke making it impractical for city driving. I would like my truck to not de-fuel on any setting of my Comp. Does the Mad ECM offer this feature and if not is there any other way to prevent de-fueling regardless of Comp setting? Thanks

 

[Cliffman]

Marco, I know this is a bit off subject but I'm curious, how much are you paying for ole #2 there in Italy?

 

[Luke Warmwater]

$5. 53 US Dollars

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

Marco, I know this is a bit off subject but I'm curious, how much are you paying for ole #2 there in Italy?

UMMmmm - careful there, we all KNOW how much Marco hates "off-topic" questions or comments in these threads... :-laf :-laf

 

[JWBoothe]

Honestly Gary, if you dont have anything constructive to add to this thread, dont bother. If you have a bone to pick with Marco why dont you call him up and take it up with him instead of clogging up TDR with your BS? :-{}



Or, go to Pirate and bother someone else:

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/index.php

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

... OR, as an alternate - why don't YOU and those like you go elsewhere, if my posts annoy you so much?



I'll certainly assure you on NO uncertain terms, *I* am NOT leaving, or modifying my comments to somehow appease, or soothe the abusively belligerant thin-skinned and hard headed...



COUNT ON IT!

 

[Luke Warmwater]

Jesus ****in christ... I ask a simple question regarding the ECM and defueling and you asshats want to argue like a bunch of fuggin women. My TDR membership is about to expire and I won't bother to renew. This forum is full of redneck peabrain idiots. Has anyone considered life beyond redneck pickups?? Fuggin eh!

 

[PC12Driver]

Yep. Its this kinda stuff that will drive away the really useful folks that contribute great information and products to our hobby. No reason for it.



Gary, I don't think he's referring to your posts in general. Opposing views stimulate discussion, which is good. However, your post about Marco not liking "off topic posts" added absolutley zero to this thread, and if there's another intention other than taking a dig at Marco and stirring the pot, I think we all missed it. And referring to other members as "abusively belligerant thin-skinned and hard headed" doesn't really have much to do about 500-600hp with Marco's ECM much, either.

 

[ProMac1K]

I love every one of you equally!



That should spread some peace.



Guy's, just have fun... ... .

 

[darkhorse]

$5. 53 US Dollars

:--) I'll bet most of us thought our costs were high. Maybe I'll forget the 5 to 600 hp dreams & see how well the CaTCHER meters vegie oil.

 

[Marco]

To be exact, fuel price is today 5. 50$ US. I fill up when the low fuel light comes on. It takes now 130 $ US from that point to fill up to the neck...

Oh well... If I had wanted a cheap toy I would have gotten myself some Rollerblades... :-laf :-laf



Marco

 

[Luke Warmwater]

Greetings,

I have considered having my Comp flashed with the Drag Comp flash but do not like the fact it only fuels to 3200 on 5x5 only. My truck on 5x5 makes a fair amount of smoke making it impractical for city driving. I would like my truck to not de-fuel on any setting of my Comp. Does the Mad ECM offer this feature and if not is there any other way to prevent de-fueling regardless of Comp setting? Thanks

So the creator of the Mad ECM will answer questions regarding fuel cost in Italy but not a technical question regarding the product he sells... Makes one wonder.

 

[rivercat]

Is there away to vote the disruptive off. We can't let a few bad eggs spoil the hole bunch. Don't our opinions matter to the moderators! Alot of expirienced tuners and alot of small bugeted hungry minds need to communicate to avoid mistakes that have been learned before by others.



No need for childsplay here go to mcd's playland or find a football field.

Its a waste of bandwidth to say the least.



I'll take one for the team marco needs a break :-{}