6.4 PSD-Fuel rail UNDER the valve cover

[rbattelle]

Is it childish to giggle whenever someone says "Super Duty"? :-laf



Ryan

 

[Coalsmoke]

It definitely will be interesting to see what happens to the reliability of the new 6. 4 and how the three main problem areas of the former 6. 0 have been changed and what the real-world results are. Navistar's / IH test data on the new 6. 4 is promissing in that it shows some consistency for longevity and about longevity numbers that you'd expect from a medium duty V-8 configuration. How the engines do in the real world will be something else. However, and I say this as a satisfied Dodge owner, at least Ford has the balls to produce a medium-duty truck line, especially with regards to the F550. Dodge won't get out of their cozy little comfort area and risk their truck division profits just to satifisfy their customer base

 

[litespeed]

Another TWIST... .



The insurance companies will love this design as well (NOT). This should raise some rates after a few accidents show up on record? One impact to the bumper and grill area will damage hundreds of components. Probably to the point of being a troubleshooting nightmare for the rest of the trucks life (and the owner).



Unbelievable...



And Ford is trying to win people back with this?



I really feel sorry for the brand loyal guys... . They got their work cut out for them.

 

[Coalsmoke]

Another TWIST... .



The insurance companies will love this design as well (NOT). This should raise some rates after a few accidents show up on record? One impact to the bumper and grill area will damage hundreds of components. Probably to the point of being a troubleshooting nightmare for the rest of the trucks life (and the owner).



Unbelievable...



And Ford is trying to win people back with this?



I really feel sorry for the brand loyal guys... . They got their work cut out for them.

Hey, that's a good point, I wonder if Ford thought of that, or just dismissed it as permissable, which is most likely. Of course, put a good front bumper on or heavy duty grill gaurd and you'll buckle the frame before the chrome is even touched. Sounds like a great excuse to upgrade the bumper and install a Warn 15,000lb winch

 

[Coalsmoke]

Anyone know what these two things are that I've pointed to in the picture? The one on the right looks almost like a catalyst, but it can't be. It's got what looks like a temp sensor connected to it... could it be the EGR? Whatever it is, it looks like a hot part.



Ryan

The object on the right is the EGR system cooler. I have no clue what the mid-intake box is to the left with your green arrow pointing to it. Maybe its a metering device of sorts for the twins

 

[Cattletrkr]

I remember the first '93 CTD in the area around here. We were all amazed at how open everything was under the hood. "You can see the ground in all four corners. " Look at my '04. 5 CTD now and it's a completely different animal.



I'll wait until I see under the hood of a 6. 7 CTD to pass judgement on the new Furd.

 

[Scrappy]

WTF!!!! I wouldn't even know where to start if I had to replace an injector or something. I mean you cant even see the valve covers under all of that, I dont understand why they cant just go to an inline-6???? Is there something so wrong with such a good design that chevy and ford dont use it?? They would wrather use an over complicated V-8??? I just dont understand it. And fords HEUI injection system?!? Whats wrong with common rail that they have to use engine oil to further complicate the system??

The 6. 4 P/S does not use HEUI, it uses common rail injection just like ours. At least they were smart enough to ditch the HEUI!



I still don't want one of those FUGLY things

 

[MChildress]

I was a Ford guy had the first 6. 9 in 83. I still have two 7. 3's. I was really disappointed with the design in 99 when they stuck 1/3 of 7. 3 under the dash. I really hoped they would correct that nightmare. Then they came out with the 6. 0 in 03 and what a mess. I'm not a machanic but injoy doing my own maintance and fixing the little things. I'v been lucky so far and have been able to fix any problems. I will not own a truck I can't work on. Maybe one day they will have the whole front end hinge foward where you can get to the engine.

 

[Cummins Pilot]

My question is how does the engine cool itself? Everything is packed in so tight where does the air go after going thru the radiator?!?!?! Looks like a tightly sealed engine compartment.

 

[AMassaro]

I love going on those sites and reading some of their threads... All the crazyness makes me laugh... On guy was asking a question if it was normal to have his rear main seal replaced twice at only 2800 miles... And one of the brand loyalists kinda bashed him that his truck was near perfect at 60k exept for this... . and that... . AND the fact that it was spewing oil on his driveway and on it's way to the dealership again... Am I missing something here... ? What are these guys smoking? :--)

 

[Coalsmoke]

They're just brainwashed, that's all. Its not uncommon for people to try and make the best out of the situation. Put enough of these people together and soon they find its easier to convince each other instead of convincing themselves, and as a group re-assurance spreads like wildfire. In they're subjective reality, everything is ok, which, if you have the money to fund it, then who's to say its any better or worse than the subjective reality of the next guy. Different though, often very different. I should point out it happens here too, probably happens a lot on the chevy sites as well. People like to agrivate their personal gripes and mitigate their personal shortcimings Bring the popcorn Oo.

 

[Tomscreek]

So did Ford ever get the 6. 0 problems dialed in? I assume not since they're coming out with a whole new engine but I see a lot of them on the road so they must be pretty good. I think all engines are getting too complicated, including the sounds of the new Cummins. I think long for the old chevy 350 days. Actually I'd love to have one with the old crank windows, regular door locks, etc.

 

[rbattelle]

Detailed pictures...



Transfer case looks a lot like an NV271...



Roller lifters. Very short piston skirt. Rocker arms are just like the 6. 0 (simple flat plates).



Remarkable how thick a common rail is... I had no idea.



I just realized... the injector pump is mounted at the BACK of the engine! That means it's not only under the entire turbo assembly and plumbing, it's also under the cowl!



Ryan

 

[Swayse]

Another TWIST... .



The insurance companies will love this design as well (NOT). This should raise some rates after a few accidents show up on record? One impact to the bumper and grill area will damage hundreds of components. Probably to the point of being a troubleshooting nightmare for the rest of the trucks life (and the owner).



Unbelievable...



And Ford is trying to win people back with this?



I really feel sorry for the brand loyal guys... . They got their work cut out for them.

I hate rain on your parade, but look how close the intercooler is to the front bumper on our Dodges. Just a little wreck will send the bumper into the intercooler and a/c condenser. Insurance is high on a Dodge diesel. I have no idea what insurance would be on a Ford diesel, and I'm not gonna find out.

 

[Coalsmoke]

Last week I just priced the insurance on a new dodge today and its over double what my 1995 currently is. The collision and comprehensive was through the friggin roof

 

[MCummings]

... One impact to the bumper and grill area will damage hundreds of components...

That's a rainy parade you are hosting... :-laf



Any of the big three from '03+ are stuffed more than required.



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I guess Ford plans on the fuel pump never going bad? You have to get the gear off that pump some how, and sure aren't going to be able to do it with the cab on, or with the turbo's installed, or does the pump come striaght up, and then you get to remove the gear on the bench?



Did anybody else notice the battery negatives were disconnected in the pics... resetting the ECM to clear codes maybe? :-laf





Merrick

 

[Greenleaf]

WOW. And I thought I had problems.



To be realistic, I drive a couple of 1st gens, so ALL rigs from the mid 1990's -up look just like that picture IMHO.

 

[NPloysa]

A 1st gen engine bay looks just like that? I don't think so!

 

[Coalsmoke]

That's a rainy parade you are hosting... :-laf



Any of the big three from '03+ are stuffed more than required.



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I guess Ford plans on the fuel pump never going bad? You have to get the gear off that pump some how, and sure aren't going to be able to do it with the cab on, or with the turbo's installed, or does the pump come striaght up, and then you get to remove the gear on the bench?



Did anybody else notice the battery negatives were disconnected in the pics... resetting the ECM to clear codes maybe? :-laf





Merrick

Merrick, I think its more a matter of Ford stopped caring about oding re and re work on their trucks, as the "cab-off design" seems to be the answer to all of the "how do you get to that?" type of issues. Simple, spend two days re and re'ing the cab before the real work starts. If I owned one of the new cab-off trucks, I think I would try to find a way to make it a flip cab

 

[Greenleaf]

no, I said anything from the mid 1990's -up look like that. LOL Then again like hog stink on a farm, you'd probably get used to pulling your cab to swap out the turbos right?



My brother told me they will pull the cab on the GM trucks to work on the engine. It's pretty common I guess.



I have to pull the intake hose on my 1st gens to get to the oil filter :-laf