6 Month Oil change??

[AnOldBiker]

Are we talking about a 15k or less oil change as in this discussion? Or more than that ?
If more, yes, your right. But I thought this was of standard oil change intervals.

 

[RustyJC]

You made an absolute statement that neither dino nor synthetic oils break down. No mileage or time interval was specified. I responded to that statement.

Rusty

 

[AlFischer]

So far the only reason for the 6 month stipulation is to CYA for the warrantee? So what is the Oil Life in the EVIC for? I changer my oil and filter yesterday at 7500. The EVIC showed 20% life remaining. The 'in service' date was Dec 20, 2013. (Used Stratoprore 16035 and Delo 400LE just like I did for years on my 2001)

On my new 2014 Passat TDI there was a 30 day look-see provided by the VW dealer. When I got the car back he said "See you in 1 year or 10,000 miles for the first oil change." So if the oil is older than 6 months in a Cummins, does it actually break down? But not in a VW? I understand that they are different animals, but still in the same family.

 

[AnOldBiker]

There are many thoughts of oil breakdown. If it does breakdown in short period of time, (3 to 7.5k or 6 months) then why are trucks, like my friends, who changes oil filter every 10k, only caps what is needed to maintain full lube level, sends in a sample for analysis, and has over 80k on the original oil fill, results still within oil specs so far and more miles to come. I'm at the beginning of a long term run myself.

In the 60's and 70's they use to collect and reprocess spent oil. The problem was the cleaning out the additives, collecting the clean oil itself and reprocessing for sale. Test taken then proved it was identical to unused oil sold. Legal was active then as today, and said if it went through the engine once, it could only be sold as reclaimed oil no matter what test results indicated. Cost factor per gallon was to high and they stopped the process.

 

[AlFischer]

Thanks for the 'translation'! Just like in computers everything is acronyms. What we need is the BOA. (Book of Acronyms)!

 

[JLandry]

What we need is the BOA. (Book of Acronyms)!

Many acronyms are defined in the owners manual. There's a lot of useful info in there, so I find it helpful to browse through it occasionally.

John L.

 

[AlFischer]

There are many thoughts of oil breakdown. If it does breakdown in short period of time, (3 to 7.5k or 6 months) then why are trucks, like my friends, who changes oil filter every 10k, only caps what is needed to maintain full lube level, sends in a sample for analysis, and has over 80k on the original oil fill, results still within oil specs so far and more miles to come. I'm at the beginning of a long term run myself.

In the 60's and 70's they use to collect and reprocess spent oil. The problem was the cleaning out the additives, collecting the clean oil itself and reprocessing for sale. Test taken then proved it was identical to unused oil sold. Legal was active then as today, and said if it went through the engine once, it could only be sold as reclaimed oil no matter what test results indicated. Cost factor per gallon was to high and they stopped the process.

When I was in the USAF an old Master Sargent had bougt a new Chevy (1956) and NEVER changed the oil. Just kept it filled up. In 1963 he had over 100,000 on it with no problems.

I bought a new Pinto in 1972 and put in a toilet paper filter. Every 1K change the roll and add a quart. Pulled the engine at 183K and went through it completely. Bearings and bore were still within spec. (close to max but in spec) But bored it, ground the crank and replaced the pistons, cam and head. At 300K I sold it and 2 years later saw it still running. And that was no where near quality vehicle the Ram is!

 

[Newsa]

Been changing mine about every 4000 miles. Using the free dealer oil changes and got 2 more freebees left.

I figure it doesn't hurt a new engine to do some low mileage changes. It's got 9250 miles

 

[AlFischer]

But if he dealer said they put some knida Pennzoil in, would you accept the free changes?

 

[Newsa]

I didn't ask what brand they use. Pretty sure they are using a diesel approved oil.

I like Amsoil. Never bought Penzoil in my life. But if they are putting penzoil, that's probably what came from the factory.

Penzoil will last 4000-5000 miles, and changing it early helps remove some of the soot.

 

[AlFischer]

But if you asked what oil they used, would you feel comfortable with the answer "Some kinda Pennzoil." Iwill be doing my own changes. Stratopore 16035 and Delo 400LE.

 

[Newsa]

I accept the free ones. I will never pay for that crap.

 

[Newsa]

The dealer keeps trying to sell me a package of oil changes. Buy 4 for a reduced price.

I'm gonna do my own after 2 more free ones

 

[EDankievitch]

The biggest reason you want to change the engine oil at least every 6 months is due to the acids that build up in the oil as a result of combustion. The last thing you want to do is let an oil that has very low miles on it probably has not been brought up to a nice high operating temp from a nice long ride. Oil that has some humidity in it along with the acids that are left over from normal combustion laying inside those nicely polished bearing surfaces. Having worked in the marine engine side of the service world where most boaters don't use their boats all that much and sitting time is mostly all their engines do the pitting of the bearing and shafts is really bad.

 

[AnOldBiker]

I didn't ask what brand they use. Pretty sure they are using a diesel approved oil.

I like Amsoil. Never bought Penzoil in my life. But if they are putting penzoil, that's probably what came from the factory.

Penzoil will last 4000-5000 miles, and changing it early helps remove some of the soot.

Just over 2 years ago, I was having a discussion with the local dealership service department and followed with a phone call directly to Cummins to confirm statement. Recently before that time frame, Cummins had officially recommended Valvoline Full Sync 15-40 as the oil in every Cummins crankcase leaving the factory for the Dodge Pickups that they will be installed in. Per the guy from Cummins, if your change interval is 15k for oil change you can add on 5K if you are only using this oil in every oil change. If it's the 7.5K, you can tack on another 5k to that. So you don't have to use a specific companies oil, but you must use API approved oil for diesel engines and the specified viscosity.

It was mentioned of Pennzoil. I used Pennzoil when first starting to drive. Many, many years ago. It was everywhere and everyone use it. But when I pulled the engine for a rebuild, I was sicken seeing the build up in the valve covers, heads and ports and the oil pan. I change oil and never went back. With todays full sync and technology, and updated processes, I might consider again, but have had a stable lubricant that has yet to fail me and is hard to turn your back on with proven results.

Find a brand that is API approved, meets the required specs and viscosity and stay with it. You'll be happy.

 

[Newsa]

As for using a substandard oil during Engine Break-in, there is much controversy about whether or not to

Use a higher quality oil during break in.

I think the advice in this link makes sense. See below.

http://www.foleyengines.com/resources/tech-tips/break-oil-not-synthetic

But I also agree to disagree if you think its BS.

 

[Newsa]

In Latin America and other developing countries that don't have the buying choices we have,

All the cummins there run on 20W 50. You can't find 15W-40 anywhere in some countries

They still run up to 500,000 miles between rebuilds. I live in Florida and will use 20W 50 in the summer.

Also will take longer for fuel dilution to thin out the oil.

 

[AnOldBiker]

I agree with this and many articles have stated the same. But this has been a belief since the advent of syns oils. If was believed decades before of using a so call break-in oil before using a detergent oil, but this was way way long a go.

Now with the advent of manufactures pre-breaking in the engines before installing them into the vehicles, is this really needed. The rings, seals and parts such as cranks and such has gone through an approved process specifically preformed by the manufacture.

I just bought my wife a new Frontier she wanted. Even though it went through this approved pre-break-in process, I will be changing oil and filter at 2.5k and 5k before going on the specified changes. I'm still old fashion. Am I wasting my time and money ?

 

[mfurrh55]

But if you asked what oil they used, would you feel comfortable with the answer "Some kinda Pennzoil." I will be doing my own changes. Stratopore 16035 and Delo 400LE.

I used penzoil religiously back in the 70s and at 67,000 miles on my truck a rod started knocking, never used it again after that,Never had another rod knocking either,Monte

 

[sag2]

If you have any work done at the dealer it will get Shell/Pennzoil products. It is the official oil of Mopar and has been for the last several years, since Fiat took over. If the factory uses it and has to cover failures for up to 100k it's good enough for me. Pretty sure any oil that meets the latest specifications is a pretty good oil.