708hp with EDM's with a HPCR

[lmills]

This is what I keep getting hung up on. Don keeps saying that there are no parts available and ALSO says that modifying a stock nozzle is a hack job, so...



If there are no parts available how is he getting new blank tips? Are they aftermarket nozzles? I've asked this time and time again and I never have gotten an answer. As a matter of fact he stops responding as soon as I ask ANY technical questions.



Richard

check my previous posts and you will find the same problem

 

[silver03]

Gypsyman, Digger's truck is not the one that is making that much power. Floor-It's truck is the one Digger is refereing to.



It is very common for all these people with Gen 3 claiming 600+ hp, but yet have nothing more done to them than most of us on the forum. I have seen many Gen 3 trucks on the dyno with many different combos twins, singles, 2 boxs and injector and non have made it much over the 600 hp mark. The CP3 can not put out that much fuel. I think that most of it is just hype to get people to send money on their products

 

[Digger]

Well said Silver03.



You would think that these company's making the big power CLAIMS would at least dyno at a big event. If they would do that we the customer could see it with our own eyes, instead of all of the talk.

 

[Gypsyman]

That's the reason I keep asking questions. I save all the dyno graphs and results that I run across. 95% of what I have in my archive show mid to high 400's from the TST and a pressure box. I've driven a 500+ hp truck and I know that mine's not that strong by a long shot. When I get up to Piers all my questions regarding my own truck will be answered. I'll be testing before and after the twins with different combinations of the boxes in my sig.



Richard

 

[banshee]

I believe the number quoted for the CR with the EDMs was 613 HP and ~1100 TQ. I'm not sure if that is corrected or not (or what the CF is if corrected). FWIW my 585HP run was almost smoke free once the chargers lit, and it's very clean at WOT on the street. I really don't see how the fuel system will support more than low 600s as is.



I also agree that the "I have and you don't. . Hush Hush" attitudes of these companies gets old.

 

[lmills]

maybe he is throwing back in a 20 percent drivetrain loss figure and giving us flywheel numbers.

 

[Gypsyman]

banshee,



Can you tell me what your running for twins and which program you have in the TST? I'm curious about the spool-up. Greg told me today that he would reflash mine with a twins program but I'm going to try the one I have now for a while and see how much lag I end up with.



Richard

 

[Floor It]

Those are my numbers and it was done in front of a crowd at the ST. Louis dyno day. It was using a custom program that I have worked with TST on and a small NOS solinoid and 50 jet. Kerma I disagree with you completely. I know for a fact on what is done to the inside of the injector body's and they are not forgiving in sloppyness. that is what set's don's injectors apart from the others. If it was all in the nozzels why do don's still work better that the rest and his have been copied like crazy! His injectors are more than talk,there has been testing with them and I know the results. I cant say because don wont say and he's not going to until they are done testing.

 

[Digger]

Floor It,

Any idea of when they will be done?

 

[banshee]

Gypsyman,



I'm running a HX-40 up top and a Scheid hybrid on the bottom (it's a little larger than a 3B). At first the lag was pretty bad, but after tons of tuning it's really good now. It has taken lots of wastegate and fueling adjustments, but I'm happy with the setup now. I'm running the original (hotter) TST program, but I have been considering getting another box (don't want to lose this one!) to try something even hotter. PM me if you want and I can give you some more details.



John

 

[Floor It]

No I really dont but its being worked on as fast as he can.



John

 

[lmills]

Banshee have you considered the twin only program that tst has?

 

[banshee]

lmills,



Yes, I would like to try that program as well as something custom like Floor It has. I really don't want to lose the box I have now because it really runs good, so I might try to talk to TST to see if I can buy just the box and try different programs on it to see if I can get something even better. I figure it's worth a shot

 

[lmills]

I got ya now. I just spoke with Mark yesterday about sending mine back for the old program.

 

[Tomeygun]

I got ya now. I just spoke with Mark yesterday about sending mine back for the old program.

Lmills, sorry to highjack... But did you have injectors when you did 510 hp??

 

[Gypsyman]

Thanks John, pm sent...

 

[lmills]

Lmills, sorry to highjack... But did you have injectors when you did 510 hp??

No, that was boxes alone. I have been on the fence about injectors. I am leaning towards twins first

 

[Tomeygun]

No, that was boxes alone. I have been on the fence about injectors. I am leaning towards twins first

WOW, thats nice, very nice... I hear ya about twins... It seems as if the 3rd gens take to twins like a horse to diesel, err, water



Rumor has it that if I can convince the wife that twins make more MPG, then I might be set up with in about 3 weeks

 

[KERMA]

Kerma I disagree with you completely. I know for a fact on what is done to the inside of the injector body's and they are not forgiving in sloppyness. that is what set's don's injectors apart from the others. If it was all in the nozzels why do don's still work better that the rest and his have been copied like crazy! His injectors are more than talk,there has been testing with them and I know the results. I cant say because don wont say and he's not going to until they are done testing.

We can disagree, it makes the world go 'round. I should make it clear that when I say "Sloppiness" it's a relative term. I am speaking specifically about nozzles, there are some pretty marginal nozzles from "far east" that seem fairly popular for certain vendors. 12v injectors are even more forgiving, again, a relative term.



THere are some mods you can do to the injector bodies (or "nozzle holders" if you prefer) but the nozzles are what takes the beating and it's the "business end" of the whole shebang. At the risk of oversimplification, everything else is just getting the fuel to the nozzle, and returning the excess to the tank.



But then again...



Maybe the reason the rail's being drained is not that too much fuel is spraying into the combustion chamber (making power) but it's the return rate that's too high. Maybe there's a way to restrict the bleed-off after the solenoid closes, to minimize the loss of pressure between injection events. THis would have to correlate with shimming the break pressure on the spring, so the needle still seats. Requires timing adjustment, too, to compensate, because changing break pressure changes timing. Maybe I'm full of it, I'm mostly guessing at this point. But that is why I come here, to listen and learn and spout off once in a while to proudly demonstrate my ignorance.

 

[Jim Fulmer]

Dang this is as good as an old transmission thread... ... ... 12V angle stink and 24V's are easy... ..... my 12V angles looked real good tonight when I pulled the head off for the teardown.



Jim